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There is no objective way to eliminate the iPhone from that claim.

Yes there is, the iPhone has not changed the way we live our lives. And it is too young to be even considered as one of the most influential.
 
You didn't even understand my correction to begin with. My original statement was in context to what was posted earlier about Samsung innovation with LTE/MP3. It was my mistake for stating global scope and clarified my statement.

Of course I did, trust me your posts are not hard to understand lol. Your clarification was almost just as poor as the original statement.
 
You didn't even understand my correction to begin with. My original statement was in context to what was posted earlier about Samsung innovation with LTE/MP3. It was my mistake for stating global scope and clarified my statement.

You still said it was one of the most influential device ever after your correction.
 
Of course I did, trust me your posts are not hard to understand lol. Your clarification was almost just as poor as the original statement.

You sure?

Wow so your previous post wasn't a mistake....lol

Not even close, what about the car or airplane? How about the telephone?

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You still said it was one of the most influential device ever after your correction.

I said this....

"Its one of the most influential. The way people interact with their smartphones is because of the iPhone."

Not sure how haggling on my post proves Samsung is an innovator with smartphones with LTE/MP3.
 
No, that's not the entire argument. It's just an oversimplified argument that you find easier to dismiss.

The closing arguments of the last case were basic "samsung copied the look and feel" read them .


And sorry seeing as the most of the look and feel was already done (in some cases just not in smartphone, to me thats absurd to sue for)


Probably because you didn't read or understand the patent claims. Apple did not patent pinch to zoom on a capacitive screen.

Apple does talk about capacitive in that patent if I am not mistaken.
 
I have a distinct feeling that if the shoe was on YOUR foot (i.e. Samesung was stealing an idea that you had spent years developing) you might feel different about the "everyone steals so it's no biggie" attitude.

But they didnt steal an idea apple had been working on for years.

One of the patents already was working on smartphones before apple released iphone, the other was a quite general patent that had nothing to do with smartphones.

Apple is abusing the patent system .

And btw apple was found guilty as well as violating patents.
 
I said this....

"Its one of the most influential. The way people interact with their smartphones is because of the iPhone."

Not sure how haggling on my post proves Samsung is an innovator with smartphones with LTE/MP3.

Forget about Samsung, I'm only talking about the iPhone now. The foundation for smartphone interaction was not started by the iPhone. It was a slow build up with what Windows Mobile, BB OS, Treo and Symbian have been building over the decade before the iPhone was announced. It is not one of the most influential device ever made.
 
I think that should be obvious to anyone that visits this site. I'm not going to get into the stupid argument where you try and come up with all sorts of reasons that the Mac or the iPod or the iPhone or the iPad weren't really inventions or something equally ridiculous.

Why because he is right?

Ipod and iphone or ipad were just really good versions of already existing products. Sorry I have never bought the "created singlehandedly new marktets" BS apple likes to claim.
 
An argument over wording and a poster who edited his post. I pronounce this thread dead :p
 
Why because he is right?

No, because its a stupid argument that involves ignoring actual definitions and ignoring or minimizing the parts of the device that made it different than what existed before.
 
The first video of an actual pinch to zoom comes in the 2006 TED talk, which is much much later than Fingerworks actually implementing it, which Apple bought in 2005.

Don't forget that the videos can date further back than 2007 as long as they don't precede Fingerworks.

Fingerworks was keyboard that 2006 video shows it in a screen.

My comment remains the same, how can you say samsung copied iphone when others already did it before?

The same goes up for almost all the patents used against samsung.
 
Yes after everybody replied to him, but I would still say iPhone is not one of the most influential in history. I could easily name 50 devices that are more influential and that would include the Apple 1 way before the iPhone.

I can't believe I am bothering with this but hey. So where is the cut off for one of the most influential? One of the most influential people in history. I could name 50 ahead almost anyone you care to mention, but that doesn't stop them being one of the most.

The point is, does it cause a shift in the world and the iPhone did. Was it the first smartphone? No! Was it the best smartphone ever made? Questionable! Did it bring anything completely new to the market? No! Did it put into a package a device that caught the imagination of the masses and therefore give traction to the mobile revolution? Absolutely. Is the mobile device revolution a defining element of our age? Yes!

So well done for being able to name 50 more important devices (go for it by the way... just for fun), but wether the iPhone is 51, 501 or 5001 doesn't stop it qualifying as being one of the most influential of the millions and millions ever made!!
 
The closing arguments of the last case were basic "samsung copied the look and feel" read them .


And sorry seeing as the most of the look and feel was already done (in some cases just not in smartphone, to me thats absurd to sue for)

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

Apple does talk about capacitive in that patent if I am not mistaken.

Even if that is true, it doesn't change my point.
 
No, because its a stupid argument that involves ignoring actual definitions and ignoring or minimizing the parts of the device that made it different than what existed before.

You mean putting more importance on certain features already done before or werent made by apple?

It was a great smartphone, the best up at that time. But changing tech made the revolution not apple themselves .
 
I can't believe I am bothering with this but hey. So where is the cut off for one of the most influential? One of the most influential people in history. I could name 50 ahead almost anyone you care to mention, but that doesn't stop them being one of the most.

The point is, does it cause a shift in the world and the iPhone did. Was it the first smartphone? No! Was it the best smartphone ever made? Questionable! Did it bring anything completely new to the market? No! Did it put into a package a device that caught the imagination of the masses and therefore give traction to the mobile revolution? Absolutely. Is the mobile device revolution a defining element of our age? Yes!

So well done for being able to name 50 more important devices (go for it by the way... just for fun), but wether the iPhone is 51, 501 or 5001 doesn't stop it qualifying as being one of the most influential of the millions and millions ever made!!

Thank you. I couldn't bring myself to type all of that. :)
 
Which has nothing to do with what I said.



Even if that is true, it doesn't change my point.

Seeing tht apple never even got that patent (which is why I brought it up)I actually wonder what your argument was?
 
You mean putting more importance on certain features already done before or werent made by apple?

:confused: I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Are you even aware of what is being discussed?

It was a great smartphone, the best up at that time. But changing tech made the revolution not apple themselves .

I agree completely. What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
 
Yes, I'm sure and you should stop now....

Can't move on when the correction was almost equally as bad as the original statement.

You should listen to your own advice.


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Forget about Samsung, I'm only talking about the iPhone now. The foundation for smartphone interaction was not started by the iPhone. It was a slow build up with what Windows Mobile, BB OS, Treo and Symbian have been building over the decade before the iPhone was announced. It is not one of the most influential device ever made.

I've used those devices and what Apple brought in 2007 was 5 years ahead of the game. That's why those OSs you mentioned are no longer relevant.
 
I can't believe I am bothering with this but hey. So where is the cut off for one of the most influential? One of the most influential people in history. I could name 50 ahead almost anyone you care to mention, but that doesn't stop them being one of the most.

The point is, does it cause a shift in the world and the iPhone did. Was it the first smartphone? No! Was it the best smartphone ever made? Questionable! Did it bring anything completely new to the market? No! Did it put into a package a device that caught the imagination of the masses and therefore give traction to the mobile revolution? Absolutely. Is the mobile device revolution a defining element of our age? Yes!

So well done for being able to name 50 more important devices (go for it by the way... just for fun), but wether the iPhone is 51, 501 or 5001 doesn't stop it qualifying as being one of the most influential of the millions and millions ever made!!

Thank you for illustring your love for the iPhone. But that's not for me.
 
Seeing tht apple never even got that patent (which is why I brought it up)I actually wonder what your argument was?

What in the world are you talking about? The only patent referenced in the discussion that we are having is Apple's patent that included heuristics regarding pinch to zoom.
 
:confused: I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Are you even aware of what is being discussed?



I agree completely. What does that have to do with what we were discussing?

I think you're lost in the thread this was the starting post "what has this company ever invented - as in, launching a totally new and successful class of consumer product *or* a product that's so different from the competition that it completely changes the market?"




If you ready the thread you see a lot of people who seem to think apple invents just about everything and after a couple of months of reverse engineering samsung comes with the same.


I am simply still giving the same argument as before everybody looks at each others in and even outside the market and copies what works .

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What in the world are you talking about? The only patent referenced in the discussion that we are having is Apple's patent that included heuristics regarding pinch to zoom.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2045...cts-claims-of-apple-pinch-to-zoom-patent.html

US patent office rejects claims of Apple 'pinch to zoom' patent


And I also talked about the both patents in the lawsuit of this court case btw.
 
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