Samsung's Massive Document Outlining How to Improve Galaxy S by Adopting iPhone Solutions Surfaces

[Geckotek]

And yet it took years for competitors to match the iPhone

True, but what they really had to catch up on was usability, not features. Apple did a great job of proving that most of the public (not geeks like me) wanted usability over features. (I wanted the features first....but Apple eventually won me over)

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Just like every other invention in the history of the world, it was based on existing parts.

 

[NT1440]

True, but what they really had to catch up on was usability, not features. Apple did a great job of proving that most of the public (not geeks like me) wanted usability over features. (I wanted the features first....but Apple eventually won me over)

The whole point of Apple's design is that usability IS THE KILLER FEATURE.

 

[linuxcooldude]

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2012/08/android-trouncs-iphone.html[/url]
im pretty sure they care about that

Shipped vs sold. I thought we debunked that along time ago.

 

[Renzatic]

Didn't the Newton predate the Palm Pilot?

Yup. It did by a good 3-4 years. Dunno if anything else came before it, though.

...so yeah, you could also say the iPhone is a glorified Newton as well. They all belong to the same lineage.

Also, how is Siri not just a stripped down version of Apple's Knowledge Navigator concept? To follow your logic

...I...I don't know what that is. But on a guess, I'll say it's probably a modernized version of it. And Siri in and of itself is a souped up, more flexible version of the Android voice navigation setup that came before it.

 

[lucas107]

And yet it took years for competitors to match the iPhone and none of the established players within the mobile phone industry have even managed to release a competitive OS. It took an outsider (Google) to provide them with the software technology almost 2 years later. The closest thing to an insider (Microsoft) took almost 4 years for a legitimate response.



I'm not interested in another semantic argument.

Do you want to comment on the actual point?

Apple isasoftware company first. of course they had better software then the hardware companys . also you do want a semantic argument since you keep telling people they have arbitrary definitions

 

[Geckotek]

Shipped vs sold. I thought we debunked that along time ago.

Doesn't mean they don't care about market share. Of course they care about market share. You know why? Because they care about stock price and the analysts and investors that drive that stock price care about market share because it is a key indicator of a companies success. Sure, it's not the only indicator, but it's is one of the key numbers that is always given attention.

 

[slattery69]

How about bringing a full featured web browser to the mobile world, which was atrocious before hand?

Not a new idea, but revolutionized (and still is) a part of the industry.

Didn't Nokia have a full featured webkit browser in 05 on Symbian . Granted wasn't a touch screen

 

[Renzatic]

That's the point that you seem to keep missing. They invented the iPhone. Just like every other invention in the history of the world, it was based on existing parts.

By that logic, you could say that all Android devices are inventions, based on existing parts. And I know you ain't gonna have no part in none of that.

Yes. The iPhone is an invention. But the whole of the device, the very concept, wasn't developed in a vacuum, and isn't an entirely new device from the bottom up. Thin touchscreen devices you can use to make phone calls, take notes, and watch movies on isn't a new thing. Everything else is window dressing upon an already established concept.

 

[NT1440]

. And Siri in and of itself is a souped up, more flexible version of the Android voice navigation setup that came before it.

If you manage to find the concept video you'll see Siri is a voice only version of a virtual assistant that Apple has slowly been marching towards for more than a decade. Given the humor and more personal touches to Siri, I'd its lineage is squarely based on Apple's previous concepts and not Android at all...

 

[samcraig]

How about bringing a full featured web browser to the mobile world, which was atrocious before hand?

Not a new idea, but revolutionized (and still is) a part of the industry.

Serious and sincere question. Do you think that the mobile industry would or would not have evolved their web browsing experience without the iPhone having existed. I know this calls for complete conjecture - but I'm asking anyway.

Personally - I think they would have. It might not have appeared as quickly - but I doubt that in 2012 we would still be browsing the internet via WAP. But that's my opinion (which in fairness is also based on my experience working for a major manufacturer and seeing their pipeline and future plans).

 

[NT1440]

Serious and sincere question. Do you think that the mobile industry would or would not have evolved their web browsing experience without the iPhone having existed. I know this calls for complete conjecture - but I'm asking anyway.

Personally - I think they would have. It might not have appeared as quickly - but I doubt that in 2012 we would still be browsing the internet via WAP. But that's my opinion (which in fairness is also based on my experience working for a major manufacturer and seeing their pipeline and future plans).

What I have seen in my lifetime is Apple is the company that does the initial heavy lifting that pushes rapid changes in the industry. Naturally all those forces are already trending that way, but only Apple is the one willing to pull the trigger on new paradigms that usher in disruptive change.

The phone industry, the computer industry, the music industry, the media industry structure (itemizing things, songs instead of whole albums), apple is usually a massive player if the not leader that give the industry the kick in the ass it needs to move forward.

 

[Renzatic]

If you manage to find the concept video you'll see Siri is a voice only version of a virtual assistant that Apple has slowly been marching towards for more than a decade. Given the humor and more personal touches to Siri, I'd its lineage is squarely based on Apple's previous concepts and not Android at all...

Yeah, I remember seeing that old future PC advertisement Apple made back in the 80's-90's. The one with the guy talking to his tablet, and getting it to dictate notes. Siri is the current end result of that idea.

But is Apple the only one allowed to have Siri-like personal assistants in their devices? Apple's implementation of the idea might be unique, but the technologies and concepts behind it aren't, and have been used elsewhere. To me, it's a more robust, personalized version of what's come before.

 

[samcraig]

What I have seen in my lifetime is Apple is the company that does the initial heavy lifting that pushes rapid changes in the industry. Naturally all those forces are already trending that way, but only Apple is the one willing to pull the trigger on new paradigms that usher in disruptive change.

The phone industry, the computer industry, the music industry, the media industry structure (itemizing things, songs instead of whole albums), apple is usually a massive player if the not leader that give the industry the kick in the ass it needs to move forward.

That's a great answer to a question I didn't ask

 

[LagunaSol]

If you can explain to me how this...

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...wasn't the obvious precursor to this...

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...and had absolutely nothing to do with how this came out...

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...then I might say you have a point

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the iPhone is nothing more than a glorified, modernized, simplified, sleek Palm Pilot

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Apple refined. Didn't invent.

You conveniently forgot about this:

 

[linuxcooldude]

Doesn't mean they don't care about market share. Of course they care about market share. You know why? Because they care about stock price and the analysts and investors that drive that stock price care about market share because it is a key indicator of a companies success. Sure, it's not the only indicator, but it's is one of the key numbers that is always given attention.

For one thing, the link to the article said android phones being shipped, not how many sold. Many articles in the past mentioned in particular that Samsung used devices shipped as to be taken as sold. But did not mention things like devices being returned by the store to the manufacture.

Being shipped is not representative on how many were purchased by the buyers.

Second, marketshare is not always as important as profit share. Android does not sell phones, it is an operating system. Android is split between all the different phone manufactures, each with their own marketshare.

So trying to pass off Android off as It's own marketshare is inaccurate. What really matters is how each phone manufacture is competing against the other phone manufacturers.

 

[samcraig]

You conveniently forgot about this:

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Can't count it - it has a stylus

 

[Renzatic]

You conveniently forgot about this:

Yeah, I did. Then I admitted as much like not even a couple posts later.

SORRY TO PISS ON YOUR ONE-UP PARADE THERE, DUDE GUY!

 

[NT1440]

Yeah, I remember seeing that old future PC advertisement Apple made back in the 80's-90's. The one with the guy talking to his tablet, and getting it to dictate notes. Siri is the current end result of that idea.

But is Apple the only one allowed to have Siri-like personal assistants in their devices? Apple's implementation of the idea might be unique, but the technologies and concepts behind it aren't, and have been used elsewhere. To me, it's a more robust, personalized version of what's come before.

That's the innovation though, taking ideas and concepts that exists purely in abstract and do the engineering required to bring it to market in a form that hasn't been done before.

Using the logic you've laid out I guess if you look back far enough into the 30's, technically comic books invented the modern car industry because they picture automatic assembling machines. Does that mean that those machines were invented by the concept being there or does it count as invented when an idea actually goes into production?

I guess I'm asking when does something cease to be an idea and cross the threshold to invention for you?

Also, ^ hilarious post right before this one =P

 

[LagunaSol]

Yeah, I did. Then I admitted as much like not even a couple posts later.

By saying:

you could also say the iPhone is a glorified Newton as well

???

Wasn't the Newton an Apple device?

But hey, Apple is just derivative, right?

I guess I'm asking when does something cease to be an idea and cross the threshold to invention for you?

Whenever Apple doesn't do it, I'll bet.

 

[samcraig]

By saying:



Wasn't the Newton an Apple device?

But hey, Apple is just derivative, right?

You could stop taking what he said out of context:


The full post:


Didn't the Newton predate the Palm Pilot?
Yup. It did by a good 3-4 years. Dunno if anything else came before it, though.

...so yeah, you could also say the iPhone is a glorified Newton as well. They all belong to the same lineage.

 

[KnightWRX]

I guess I'm asking when does something cease to be an idea and cross the threshold to invention for you?

Jules Vernes, Stanley Kubrick, Gene Rodenberry are the greatest inventors of our time if you ask me. They came up with the ideas, all that's left is implementing them.

 

[samcraig]

Jules Vernes, Stanley Kubrick, Gene Rodenberry are the greatest inventors of our time if you ask me. They came up with the ideas, all that's left is implementing them.

I think HG Wells was pretty brilliant myself.

ETA: also the person/company that invented the thermos. I mean - how does it know to keep my cold beverages cold and my hot beverages hot? AMAZING!

 

[KnightWRX]

Didn't the Newton predate the Palm Pilot?

Anyway, moot point. Psion predated both of them. Apple only coined the term PDA, Psion invented the actual device.

 

[lucas107]

That's the innovation though, taking ideas and concepts that exists purely in abstract and do the engineering required to bring it to market in a form that hasn't been done before.

Using the logic you've laid out I guess if you look back far enough into the 30's, technically comic books invented the modern car industry because they picture automatic assembling machines. Does that mean that those machines were invented by the concept being there or does it count as invented when an idea actually goes into production?

I guess I'm asking when does something cease to be an idea and cross the threshold to invention for you?

Also, ^ hilarious post right before this one =P

and here is your answer
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/19/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-73/

 

[KnightWRX]

I think HG Wells was pretty brilliant myself.

Yeah, but no one has yet implemented the Time Machine (no, Apple's doesn't count, it doesn't answer the Time travel paradox set forth by H.G. Wells that makes the past impossible to change).

Leonardo da Vinci is also quite the great mind, though I don't think he ever dabbled in electronics.