So in the usa shipped doesn't equal sold, but outside the us it does? Based on what?
Check samsungs us reported shipped numbers and compare, I'm curious what you will find.
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So in the usa shipped doesn't equal sold, but outside the us it does? Based on what?
Check samsungs us reported shipped numbers and compare, I'm curious what you will find.
is the proof in the comments or do i have the click the links in the article? also shipped will never = sold unless the item is sold out across the board and even then there will be some stolen/lost/broken phones in shipping. but i can assure you they are not going to be shipping 1mil more phones every day to places that the phones are not selling at all. it is at the very least a good indicator that the phones are selling well.(i know 1mil is not the number, feel free to google it and put in w/e it is 1 mil is just a number for this example)
those documents only take into account the phones Apple is accusing Samsung on in the US, should probably read the titles of those tables
Samsung doesn't report US shipped units. Well, they doesn't report any units shipped
Haven't we gone over this ? Apple reports the same thing, Shipped units, not end-user sold units, as it doesn't have the information for end-users sale outside its own retail channels.
Samsung reports shipped units, but guess what, if there was "channel stuffing" as people on here desperately want, then Samsung wouldn't be shipping more and more units quarter after quarter.
Just look at what happened to Apple from Q2 to Q3 this year if you don't believe me. Part of their sharp drop from 35M units to 26M units was that the channels had extra dormant inventory from Q2! So in essence, Q2's 35M units was SHIPPED units, not sold. And it resulted in a drop in unit shipments for Q3.
So again, logic is your friend. Retailers wouldn't keep buying more and more handsets from Samsung if they couldn't move those handsets. Samsung would have 1 record channel stuffing quarter and then zilch. Nothing, nada. As it stands, Samsung has been posting bigger and bigger quarters for quite some time.
So can we stop this "shipped vs sold!" nonsense. No one who's not trying to play the "Apple is best because X" game doesn't give a damn about that distinction, as the market will auto-correct itself if it is the case, just like what happened to Apple in Q3 2012.
I would say based on the inability to distinguish fact from fiction, that some Apple consumers do have confusion
Haven't we give over this? No. "we" have not. This is the first time i mentioned it.
Ok makes sense, and you're right. What about returns though, would that still be included as shipped, since it did technically ship? Not saying that will skew the numbers a ton (because it wont), just curious how that would work.
Holy triple negative! "no one who's not doesn't" lol...i have no idea what you are saying here...
Shipped is shipped. Apple nor anyone else reports returns (and seeing how I've returned my iPod Nano 6th gen 4 times already, it's not in their advantage to).
If you read the market share threads any, "we" have gone over this, meaning the posters on this forum. Do we have to go over it each time some new poster comes up and claims it ? Like we do the stupid Euronics store ? Or the "Not made by Samsung" smart cover ? Do we really have to debunk each and every argument everytime someone registers a new account ?
There's a reason you should lurk in forums before you jump in and post. Learning what has been discussed is one of them.
People who play the game to make it sound Apple always win are the only ones who use the "shipped vs sold" argument as if it indicates anything. The only thing it indicated last quarter was that over shipping can harm you as Apple showed us.
@KnightWRX: Shipped is not the same thing as sold. Shipping means that it was sent to the retail store or carrier outlet. The vast majority of Samsung phones are sold in the US locked to a carrier which means that they do not "ship" directly to a customer.
When Apple reports "sold", it means that it was in the customers hands for a period of time and even customer returns are often resold after being refurbished.
Samsung could "ship" a number of phones but those phones could sit in a warehouse or on store shelves without being "sold".
Apple has very few if any returns from carriers/retailers of unsold units whereas Samsung could have many orders returned. Those unsold returns are not subtracted form their "shipped" numbers.
How much do they pay you?
When Apple reports "sold", it means that it was in the customers hands for a period of time and even customer returns are often resold after being refurbished.
Samsung could "ship" a number of phones but those phones could sit in a warehouse or on store shelves without being "sold".
Apple has very few if any returns from carriers/retailers of unsold units whereas Samsung could have many orders returned. Those unsold returns are not subtracted form their "shipped" numbers.
How much do they pay you?
so you think Samsung just sends millions of phones out hoping they get some money back from them at some point?
Do you think that revenues could increase month after month if the phones were returned?
The same that they pay you?
Thats kinda how the retail phone industry works, actually thats how most retail products work. The manufacturer get orders from the retailers whom then sell as much of them as they can to the consumer. If they don't sell some contracts allow retailers to send the device back and if its a flop product, other contracts have the retailer pay fines if they don't move the product (because they buy it a reduced price).
Retail.
Next explain to me what color the sky is please. Your ability to state the obvious is very impressive to me.
Nothing, how much do you keep from Cupertino ? Baseless accusation is baseless.
Again, if the Samsung devices weren't selling, carriers/retailers wouldn't keep buying them. Same for Apple's stuff. If Samsung/Apple ships too many units in a quarter, then it hurt shipments in the next quarter. Case in point : Apple Q2 '12 vs Apple Q3 '12 :
http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/apple-q3-results-what-analysts-missed.html#.UCU1PGOe7jY
Call me when Samsung shipments show these trends of "channel stuffing". Otherwise, take your argument elsewhere, I'm not buying what Cupertino is telling you to sell (see, I can also make baseless accusations, twice in one post too!).
@boronathan : this was the kind of poster I was talking about.
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Yep, that's the gist of it. Only Apple sells phones. Everyone else ships them out and buys them back from carriers, have been doing it for years. No one buys anything but iPhones yet retailers keep always buying millions and millions of devices that keep going unsold, just to you know, prevent dust build up on warehouse shelves.
Aristotle is right, my eyes are not wide open to the truth that Apple is the only industry player that matters and is successful.
Yes, but then the next quarter they would ship fewer. It's a self-correcting system. All these people arguing shipped vs sold really don't get how little difference it makes over time.
I'm not going to address what others have addressed already regarding shipped and sold. But this last comment is just plain immature and ridiculous. If you disagree with a poster - just disagree with them. If you have some facts to add to the conversation, link to them.
But resorting to the supposition that someone is getting paid to post here because you don't like their posts is farcical. It's desperate.
let's find these magical warehouses where all these shipped phones are stored and burn them down!!!!!
And when the manufacturer comes back, the retailer buys less of them, resulting in : the market auto-correcting itself.
You can't keep "stuffing the channel" quarter after quarter. And that is what would need to happen for the theory of "shipments" people levy against Android to be true.
If it had any shred of truth to it, Android would have crashed and burned after 2 quarters of inventory stuffing. Yet here it still is, growing and growing. Apple showed us that even 1 quarter where you ship extra stock can result in drastic reductions for the following quarter. Again, Q2 '12 to Q3 '12 Apple financials.
Exactly, after a quarter of little to no sales of product X, retailers will usually get rid of them via the manufacturer even at a loss.
You can't! They bury them in New Mexico, next to all the Atari E.T. game cartridges :
http://www.snopes.com/business/market/atari.asp
but then how did they end up in the hands of a lot of family, friends and coworkers? we've already established they do not sell
THIS CONSPIRACY IS GETTING DEEP
Oh please - we all know that Samsung is responsible for every bit of space junk! Those payloads that go up with rockets and the space shuttle? Yeah - Samsung phones...