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You guys are so blinded by being fanbois lol...

If a company ISNT looking at other products to improve their own, they will go out of business. This picture proves Samsung was willing to improve their products. Apple doesn't have a patent on buttons...

And by improve, you mean just copy what apple did since it works. So if find a site that has great sales turn over and completely copy the elements, location of buttons, colors, etc? Would that be copying or just "improving" my website?
 
Notification Center was originally developed by Palm (Notification System for WebOS) by Rich Dellinger, not Android. The concept was not patented.

Rich Dellinger is now working for Apple. So one could say Apple bought the Notification Center.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ements_coming_to_ios_notification_center.html

I think he released that 2 years after android, it came to android in 2008 and I think he brought his version out in 2010 as an alpha , though could be wrong

EDIT androids notification bar came out sept 2008 webos came out in jan/feb 2009. The mobile notifier app the article talks about came out in 2010 on cydia
 
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I think some of us are just trying to temper some of the crazy things people are saying here. People forget that Apple is MUCH better due to Samsung being in their market.

Group Polarization

Yes, there are positives from Samsung's actions, but people should at least be honest. If people stopped vehemently denying that Samsung copied, I think we would all forget about it soon enough. Look at Tiger Woods, back into the game and although people remember that he cheated on his wife, most have let it go. We just need to be honest.
 
This evidence does not show that Samsung copied the iPhone. Granted. However, it shows something else: The methodology on how they went about it.

The infringement part are the icons being close copies, design, etc. I'm not gonna go into detail there. It's stated and posted over and over.

Now, Apple has to establish why and how Samsung copied and this is the smoking gun for that. Samsung documents showing the iOS with direct comparison before a design change towards iOS is pretty convincing to me.

Also, there are alternatives Samsung did not use: Leave Android generic, use other contrasts, shapes, and colors. It might be that Apple used the most intuitive color schemes for certain things like green for call and red for hanging up. Piont being, Samsung copied things to a detail that even if you don't have a patent, it could be almost a copyright infringement. If I use a sythesizer making me sound like Brittey Spears and sing "Hit me baby one more time" as close as possible the same way and try to sell the records, I'm pretty sure, I will hear from her lawyers even if I got the rights to sing the song etc. If I make a rock version, not so much. What I try to illustrate here is that you can do something right without blatant copy. Now, Bell and Reis both invented the phone independently. Both didn't know of each other and both didn't claim the other one copied. That would have been different if one would have had documents comparing the other one's design to the own one, don't you think?

Good analogy. Even if you make a rock version of `Brittey` :) and make money out of it, I`m sure you will hear from the lawyers asking for copyright. And I don't think her songs are patented either.
 
"I'm not surprised by this document"

- Stefan Jobes

And yet Apple has stolen a ton from Android. Come off the high horse.

And yet no "massive document horde" has been discovered to support this claim.

Poor Samsung. Who am I kidding - we all knew they would loose this. Claims of - we were doing this long before the iPhone are about as substantiated that I am the secret ruler of the world. Delusional. They need to get back on that Abilify and Geodon
 
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You said it yourself, companies. Believe it or not, this document wouldn't have carried any relevant weight has it, for example, compared the Galaxy S to the iPhone AND Blackberry Torche, Palm, or even Windows phone.

The fact that Samsung are disecting the iPhone, and only the iPhone, plus the other 'crisis of design' memo from 3 years earlier, gives Apple's case some merit.

Yup.
 
why should a call screen on modern touch phones differ much more than the keypad on a regular (old) phone or a keyboard etc?

if samsungs team thought that apple´s implementation was the best should that be ignored

Because there isn't ONE way to make a call screen... this is Apple's way and no one else should be allowed to do it this way. If Samsung worked harder they would have found a better solution than iPhones but they settled for half-ass.
 
Good analogy. Even if you make a rock version of `Brittey` :) and make money out of it, I`m sure you will hear from the lawyers asking for copyright. And I don't think her songs are patented either.

You can get the rights to songs though. Look at Placebo's cover album or all the other ones. There are regulations to it and you are allowed to do it by (I think) paying royalties to the owner of the right to that song. In this case, it might be the record label and not BS, actually. But if I copy an artist as close as possible so I sell my records, that would be infringing, don't you think? And yes, songs are not patented but there are still IP rights on it. PS: Sorry for the spelling error. Keep in mind pointing out spelling errors is against forum rules. :)
 
Wow. Look at all the Apple pom-pom waving here.

Yet another patent suit where 12 people represent the entire world. Let the consumers decide this. :(
 
Because there isn't ONE way to make a call screen... this is Apple's way and no one else should be allowed to do it this way.

Unless Apple specfically patents it, I don't see why not. This isn't a playground where if you don't think something is fair then everyone better not do it.
 
Good analogy. Even if you make a rock version of `Brittey` :) and make money out of it, I`m sure you will hear from the lawyers asking for copyright. And I don't think her songs are patented either.

Anything you make is copyrighted as soon as you sing it, write it, draw it, paint it, etc. (to you or to the person you work for, as detailed by your contract or work for hire assumptions).

You do not need to officially file a copyright for anything you create. However, an official copyright will expedite any claims you want to make against someone who infringes against your work down the road.
 
Anyone who's read the document can clearly see that. Most "solutions" are not to "copy the iPhone", simply to make improvements. This document in a sense is proof that Samsung did not copy the iPhone, but made usability improvements based on the fact that their initial designs had flaws the competition didn't have.

IE, the consumer got a better product thanks to Samsung revising their usability in light of what was on the market. Something Apple also does and that every company does.

Correct. It's called 'Benchmarking', and is a SOP in every company and done by every individual on the planet. Everything we do is based on and a result of what we've seen others do. Without copywrites, trademarks, or patents, it's all basic legal benchmarking.
 
Gates “Make it just like a Mac.”
Sumsung "Make it just like an iPhone"

Not anymore. I'm proud of Microsoft. I mean check out Windows 8 and Office 2013. There is literally NOTHING copied from Apple. A little too late in the game, but still.. it's innovative. I hope their market research pays off and people like it.
 
You can get the rights to songs though. Look at Placebo's cover album or all the other ones. There are regulations to it and you are allowed to do it by (I think) paying royalties to the owner of the right to that song. In this case, it might be the record label and not BS, actually. But if I copy an artist as close as possible so I sell my records, that would be infringing, don't you think?

I`m on the same page with you. You can get the rights (even if it is a very close version) as long as the studio is okay with it (and you are willing to pay the price). I haven't seen studios saying no except few cases. But in this case studio (Apple) is saying no! :)
 
Not anymore. I'm proud of Microsoft. I mean check out Windows 8 and Office 2013. There is literally NOTHING copied from Apple. A little too late in the game, but still.. it's innovative. I hope their market research pays off and people like it.

Aye, Microsoft is stepping up its game.
 
@craznar, then why before the iPhone all phones has a keyboard? I am going to tell you a little secret my friend: because most people on this planet (including you right now) do not have 'common sense'. Ironically it's called 'common' but it's actually shared only by a few.
Your fallacy is actually one of the simplest one: asserting that because an invention is simple than it must be obvious. I bet if someone didn't invent the umbrella centuries ago your 'sheople of common sense' would still be covering their heads with goats' skins.

No they didnt, there were many touchscreen phones, just because they werent very good does not disprove the fact they existed.
 
Notification Center was originally developed by Palm (Notification System for WebOS) by Rich Dellinger, not Android. The concept was not patented.

Rich Dellinger is now working for Apple. So one could say Apple bought the Notification Center.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ements_coming_to_ios_notification_center.html

WebOS notification center was previewed after Android was released.

And no, nor Apple nor Palm copied Android. They only are similar because they do a similar function
 
I think the key is that this document is so particularly fixated on the "iPhone way".

Had this document surveyed more competitor phones, they might have been able to get a free pass. e.g. "The iPhone has _____, Android does _____, Blackberry's approach is ____, we think that the iPhone solution works best of the bunch because _____, therefore we need to do something similar."

Anyone who has done graduate-level research is familiar with surveying the current state-of-the-art before figuring out where and how to continue their own research. You figure out what everyone's doing, decide the strengths and weaknesses of all their approaches, then hone in on what you think is most worth working on, which often builds on top of what some other researcher started.

Or even if the document didn't refer to any competition at all. "Guys, our customers are reporting that they accidentally hit other buttons when they try to disconnect a call. The problem is that the button is too small. We need to make this button huge and prominent!" In fact, such a document would have helped DISPROVE that Samsung copied anyone if they could show that their own engineers came up with the solution independently rather than just say "do what Apple does".

Oh well...
 
I like how die-hard lover-boys continue to rise to the occasion and attempt to defend Samsung's honor as if the entire planet doesn't already know.

I'm not a "die-hard lover-boy" (really??) and while I see some issues here that need to be addressed, I don't fully agree with all of Apple's complaints and I think that the USPTO has watered down the definition of what is patentable to a laughable level. A rectangle? Really?

To be clear, I've owned every iPhone since the 3G and will buy the next one. I have no intentions of buying a Samsung. But I still find MOST of the aspects of these cases frivilous.
 
Anyone who's read the document can clearly see that. Most "solutions" are not to "copy the iPhone", simply to make improvements. This document in a sense is proof that Samsung did not copy the iPhone, but made usability improvements based on the fact that their initial designs had flaws the competition didn't have.

IE, the consumer got a better product thanks to Samsung revising their usability in light of what was on the market. Something Apple also does and that every company does.

IE the consumer got a clone of the iPhone. C'mon man seriously, they pretty much are admitting by this, that Apple does it better. And so they went ahead and used that as there template of what to do. That pretty much negates much R&D and time to come up with something better on there own. It's like saying "look at this, and make it work like it".
 
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