Samsung's Massive Document Outlining How to Improve Galaxy S by Adopting iPhone Solutions Surfaces

[KnightWRX]

I think some of us are just trying to temper some of the crazy things people are saying here. People forget that Apple is MUCH better due to Samsung being in their market.

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Thank you for saying that. I'm trying to get people to understand the actual facts in the case rather than what the sensationalistic headlines are pointing to. We had many "Google smoking guns!" in Oracle v. Google and they all ended falling apart under scrutiny. People said that it was simply "Google fanboys" being "blind". The trial ended up showing all those as simply not the smoking guns they were believed to be.

There is a lot of that going on in Apple v. Samsung.

 

[Oletros]

@craznar, then why before the iPhone all phones has a keyboard?

How many do you want without keyboard before 2.007?

 

[Geckotek]

No, it's much simpler: they are Asians.

When are you going to stop the racist rhetoric?

 

[Windlasher]

And Samsung's calendar icon was set to December 7th?? Pearl Harbor Day?!?

Which "might" matter if Samsung was a Japanese company and not a Korean one.

 

[ristlin]

I`m on the same page with you. You can get the rights (even if it is a very close version) as long as the studio is okay with it (and you are willing to pay the price). I haven't seen studios saying no except few cases. But in this case studio (Apple) is saying no!

Gotye's "Somebody I Used to Know" was covered and sold by Walk off the Earth with Gotye's permission I'm sure, since YouTube's policy pays royalties to the original publisher.

Also, there's the example of Weird Al. He always asks permission from the artist he is about to create a parody of for his new song. I believe royalties are paid there as well. In some cases people refuse.

 

[Windlasher]

While still off topic i have to point out that the act of giving a tip is largely an american culture thing and isn't really expected or even done in many parts of the world and is in no way indicative of someones standing as a person.

yeah, but.... when in rome!!!

 

[ristlin]

I'm not a "die-hard lover-boy" (really??) and while I see some issues here that need to be addressed, I don't fully agree with all of Apple's complaints and I think that the USPTO has watered down the definition of what is patentable to a laughable level. A rectangle? Really?

To be clear, I've owned every iPhone since the 3G and will buy the next one. I have no intentions of buying a Samsung. But I still find MOST of the aspects of these cases frivilous.

I didn't call you one

 

[foodog]

Wait for it... Apple stole from everyone else because they did not invent the smart phone,

No they didn't but they reinvented the smart phone to a much mofre user friendly device. I had a Trio prior to 6/2007 it was a pretty advanced phone for its time. iPhone came out and was very revolutionary. One example... most current smart phones are touch screen, with on screen keyboards now... which the pundits claimed was the downfall of Apples design when it was released.

 

[Windlasher]

You said it yourself, companies. Believe it or not, this document wouldn't have carried any relevant weight has it, for example, compared the Galaxy S to the iPhone AND Blackberry Torche, Palm, or even Windows phone.

The fact that Samsung are disecting the iPhone, and only the iPhone, plus the other 'crisis of design' memo from 3 years earlier, gives Apple's case some merit.

Exactly... WHERE ARE THE ANDROID PHONES IN THAT DOCUMENT. You know, the ones where Samsung uses another android phone to showcase what is done correctly. There isn't one. NOT ONE.

 

[ristlin]

yeah, but.... when in rome!!!

Awesome signature

 

[Geckotek]

I didn't call you one

Hahhaha, what I'm getting at is that even iPhone fans think that a lot of this stuff is BS. Not all of it, but most of it.

 

[Oletros]

One example... most current smart phones are touch screen, with on screen keyboards now... which the pundits claimed was the downfall of Apples design when it was released.

And a lot of smartphones were touch screen with on screen keyboard before the iPhone

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Isn't this "innovation" at its very definition???

Every company including Apple looks at competitors. Look at Apples "Notification Center" its the same thing Android has had forever. This is innovation and this is how we get better products.

 

[Sandman1969]

Wait for it... Apple stole from everyone else because they did not invent the smart phone, they certainly did not invent a black rectangle with rounded corners and let's not forget that Apple did not invent the idea of a grid of icons on a screen.

Frankly these documents being presented in court are pretty damning. Samsung keeps helping Apple's case in court. What I find really amusing is that Samsung can't even get the trademark name for the iPhone correct in their documents.

They had rectangle windows with rounded edges since 1984. Steve was always about rounded edges.

yes they took ideas about a GUI, but Xerox Alto did not have rounded edges.

The Mac also laid out icons in a grid like format when it came out.

Don't forget that Xerox took the idea of a "Graphical" desktop controlled by a mouse from Douglas Engelbart at SRI.

 

[bbeagle]

iPhone came out and was very revolutionary. One example... most current smart phones are touch screen, with on screen keyboards now... which the pundits claimed was the downfall of Apples design when it was released.

True.

The whole first year when the iPhone was released, other vendors and iPhone naysayers were saying that the iPhone would fail because of no keyboard and that any smart phone 'needed' a keyboard.

How soon we forget.

 

[abhishake]

Isn't this "innovation" at its very definition???

Every company including Apple looks at competitors. Look at Apples "Notification Center" its the same thing Android has had forever. This is innovation and this is how we get better products.

I'm going to start a company and "innovate" by taking a phone, seeing what's good with it, and making it my own. I'm gonna call my company Innovation

 

[ixodes]

And the joust continues... both parties loaded with documents and well paid legal teams, this shows no sign of slowing thus far. While the court has a time table, lawyers are notorious in their quest for delays.

At the end of the day, this case will leave a trail of blood, money, emotions, and injustices.... it's the way it goes.

 

[numlock]

Because there isn't ONE way to make a call screen... this is Apple's way and no one else should be allowed to do it this way. If Samsung worked harder they would have found a better solution than iPhones but they settled for half-ass.

and there is only one way to make the dialpad on a regular phone?

why should apple even be allowed to do it since its not that from the dialpad of a regular phone?

are customers complaining about samsungs current call screen? i wonder because you called it half-ass.

btw can you show me where you criticized apple for implementing coverflow, wooden shelves from delicious library etc?

 

[stephen85]

Samsung can't surely come back from that. Busted !

 

[slattery69]

Exactly... WHERE ARE THE ANDROID PHONES IN THAT DOCUMENT. You know, the ones where Samsung uses another android phone to showcase what is done correctly. There isn't one. NOT ONE.

To be fair there could be a similar document for every phone in the market. But apple aren't gonna show that as part of there evidence as it wouldn't help there case.
Samsung may show such things when they present there defence which as yet they haven't done as its apples turn first

 

[numlock]

I'm going to start a company and "innovate" by taking a phone, seeing what's good with it, and making it my own. I'm gonna call my company Innovation

no you just start a computer company (though drop computer from the name) and innovate by implementing ideas that you saw at xerox

then advertise by using the slogan "think different"

 

[ristlin]

And a lot of smartphones were touch screen with on screen keyboard before the iPhone

There's invention, there's innovation, then there's copying. Often invention and innovation goes hand in hand (Tesla, Edison, Franklin), but there is no denying the differences.

Samsung, in this case, has NOT innovated or invented anything. They simply replicated Apple's design decisions, as evidenced by this document. This document is not damning had Samsung chosen to add to or improve upon what Apple had done. There's invention, there's innovation, then there's copying. Evidence continues to mount against Samsung as copying Apple.

Apple HAS innovated upon many old design methodologies. Enough, in fact, to be granted many patents for its iPad and iPhone. In some cases, invention was involved. You can continue to list counterexamples where Apple used prior technology or methodologies to create their products, but that does not relieve Samsung of its alleged guilt or demean Apple's achievements as an innovator.

 

[Bezetos]

No, Samsung are they thieves because the country they are from, and those around them, have always stolen from the West and from each other.
To understand the Asian mentality you have to live with them and get a taste of their medicine.
It's easy for you to speak: you've got nothing worth for them to steal.
You'd think differently if you had spent 100K on a patent and have some Asian steal it. Grow up.

No. You grow up.

Many companies have copied ideas from each other, including Apple. Apple has recently copied a lot of concepts from Android, and for some reason that's not as bad as the when someone states the opposite.

Stealing ideas is not the same as copying end products. Do you understand the difference?

Give me a break. Samsung has "stolen" ideas just like Apple has "stolen" ideas from Android. And I'm not immature enough to call it stealing - it's basically competition and progression. Every company does that, and if you don't understand that then it's not my problem.

 

[cuencap]

Document Down

Did anyone download the document before they pulled it down? Can you post it somewhere? Thanks!

 

[Oletros]

There's invention, there's innovation, then there's copying. Often invention and innovation goes hand in hand (Tesla, Edison, Franklin), but there is no denying the differences.

Samsung, in this case, has NOT innovated or invented anything. They simply replicated Apple's design decisions, as evidenced by this document. This document is not damning had Samsung chosen to add to or improve upon what Apple had done. There's invention, there's innovation, then there's copying. Evidence continues to mount against Samsung as copying Apple.

Apple HAS innovated upon many old design methodologies. Enough, in fact, to be granted many patents for its iPad and iPhone. In some cases, invention was involved. You can continue to list counterexamples where Apple used prior technology or methodologies to create their products, but that does not relieve Samsung of its alleged guilt or demean Apple's achievements as an innovator.

And what has to do all you have written with my answer to someone that said that ALL the smartphones had a keyboard before the iPhone was presented?