Less of the straw man arguments - the challenge was not to make a bigger button, but to make their interface as good as Apple's was perceived to be. Apple had a bigger button, which Samsung decided was what made Apple's interface better, so Samsung decided to make their button bigger too, but they didn't have to.
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Less of the straw man arguments - the challenge was not to make a bigger button, but to make their interface as good as Apple's was perceived to be. Apple had a bigger button, which Samsung decided was what made Apple's interface better, so Samsung decided to make their button bigger too, but they didn't have to.
If he does, it's done more out of respect for the original author rather than for any legal reasons. I'm pretty sure parodies are covered as fair use under copyright laws.
Sorry to say, but I think you have this wrong.
Remember - Apple announced the iPhone January 2007 - Shipped June 2007.
Android Announced Nov 2008 - Shipped May 2009.
OK - So let me get this straight - Apple releases their product 1.5 years ahead of Google's Android, but you are stating that Samsung actually was working long before Apple on their phone design documents - (See your quote above)
SO - based on this logic, Apple stole Samsung's secret, yet to be released phone idea, which was based on an operating system that was not invented yet (Android), then created their iPhone, and released it 1.5 years before Samsung did? Does that actually make sense to you? In fact, Samsung's first Android phone was the i7500, which was released April 27, 2009 - 2 years AFTER Apple released the iPhone.
Have you looked at the i7500? It looks like *****- nothing like the current Galaxy models, and from the looks of it realized that they needed a different strategy. Android did not look like Apple back then (Which would mean that if they did, then Apple "Might" have copied them) - but they CHANGED their design to look more like Apple. It wasn't until Gingerbread (Dec 2010) that Android caught up to most of the Apple features, and the UI started looking like Apple.
My 2 cents.
Maybe the judge will order Samsung to emboss the words..."Inspired by the iPhone" or "Inspired by the iPad" on all future Samsung Phone/Tablet products. 
Innovation implies looking at something as a basis and creating something new.
Android's notification system itself is an innovation upon the alert system present in many phones including the original iPhone. Apple, in tern, responded by innovating upon their alert system and came up with the Notification Center -- no doubt borrowing elements that Google had come up with. HOWEVER, both systems, although similar, are different.
Really? Gee, I wonder why Google isn't suing Apple over this maybe because you are full of it?
True, there isn't one overt post of "Go Samsung", just a preponderance of posts in defense of their actions which pretty much equates to "Go Samsung".
See below.
Overwhelming isn't it?
Pretty sure he had legal snags before and does it for more than just respect (Michael Jackson comes to mind, Black or White). You can always bring a copyright claim to court -- especially if you can make an argument that the parody is somehow harming your work.
If they were obvious, were they not obvious before comparing to iPhone? Was there no other way for them to see these obvious answers? Seriously, your position makes no sense. That there are 100+ times, along with Google's warning, along with their own internal design warning, along with obvious icon and packaging replication, their lawyers being unable to tell devices apart, etc., etc. the totality of the evidence is damning to a reasonable person who doesn't have a grudge against the patent system, against Apple.
As someone who used to do design work I have to say Samsung had to know what they were doing, know they were crossing the line and felt entitled to get away with it anyway.
The Court subpoenaed documents from both Samsung and Apple. This is also why we're seeing lots of iPhone, iPad prototype images, Apple documents, etc;. Both sides get to see each others cards in order to prepare their cases.
Haha, so are you implying the Notification Center was based on Apple's work?
So... Samsung is "stealing" and Apple is "borrowing and innovating".
Riiiiight....
You're right. It has no bearing. So why bring it up? It's indicative of one thing - that person's behavior. People are individuals last I checked. Can they be influenced by those around them - of course. But it certainly isn't indicative of a culture nor a company in whole.
Apple "Purchased" what Xerox wanted to sell, because they thought it was a complete waste of their R&D funding, where Apple (Steve Jobs) saw it could be the future of computer-user interaction. Apple didn't copy them.
Dialpad is a dialpad... Apple and Samsung can both use it. I was talking about the call screen and other areas Apple's design team worked hard on to layout.
half-ass, as in stealing Apple's design because they couldn't figure out a better way. People didn't complain because they were use to it already on the iPhone.
I *think* MR reported it... I do remember reading it - 100% sure. Have a root around? Bought the developer(s) out or something.. I can't remember.
Samsung is so going to lose this trial. Apple may not get the $2 billion it is seeking in damages, but it sure looks like Apple is making a good case and the evidence is pretty telling that Samsung tried very hard to push their smartphones to look and behave more like the iPhone.
YES - This is important!
I agree entirely!
While I have been an exclusive Apple user for nearly 10 years, as it complements my personal work flow, competition is good, and you're right in seeing it (and rejoicing in it) in Microsoft.
The goal of Apple vs. Samsung is not that those 'right' or 'entitled' get what's 'theirs', rather, that balance to fair competition be reinforced. The sooner Samsung gets back to their roots of innovation, the better. And their roots are surely there! For the past 5+ years they have made fantastic LCD panels, TVs, and SSDs. All of which are markets Apple avoids entering and straight-up purchases Samsung parts in because of their quality!
Don't get me wrong, I doubt I'll go back to Microsoft since it just has never worked for me, but I too appreciate their recent work that is nothing short of fantastic and original, and one can only hope Samsung learns from this and goes back to what they actually have skill in - innovating.
I agree entirely!
While I have been an exclusive Apple user for nearly 10 years, as it complements my personal work flow, competition is good, and you're right in seeing it (and rejoicing in it) in Microsoft.
The goal of Apple vs. Samsung is not that those 'right' or 'entitled' get what's 'theirs', rather, that balance to fair competition be reinforced. The sooner Samsung gets back to their roots of innovation, the better. And their roots are surely there! For the past 5+ years they have made fantastic LCD panels, TVs, and SSDs. All of which are markets Apple avoids entering and straight-up purchases Samsung parts in because of their quality!
Don't get me wrong, I doubt I'll go back to Microsoft since it just has never worked for me, but I too appreciate their recent work that is nothing short of fantastic and original, and one can only hope Samsung learns from this and goes back to what they actually have skill in - innovating.
Weird Al does that because he has respect, unlike other people who copy tons of things and just call it a "parody". I mean, Smosh got upset when YouTube removed their video that had the whole Pokémon theme song in there just because it had videos of them lip-syncing, somehow making it a parody.
Yes, Notification Center IS based on Apple's work, they had the alert system in place since the original.
I didn't even mention Samsung.
He is not talking about Android phones but Samsung phones.
And are you saying that Gingerbread and up looks like iOS?
Not sure why I'm feeding a disingenuous troll but, seriously, what planet are you from... seriously?
Apple stole from Android? Okay weird green robot fanboy, in your delusional world where Android started making their smart phones in 2005 maybe.
Go back to whatever creepy dark bridge you came out from under.