It's a year over year loss. They made less in the past 3 months then they did in the same quarter last year. Investors want to see growth, which Samsung doing. So while they aren't in the red on their ledger, they are making less than they did last year.
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It's a year over year loss. They made less in the past 3 months then they did in the same quarter last year. Investors want to see growth, which Samsung doing. So while they aren't in the red on their ledger, they are making less than they did last year.
None of these apply to the discussion of innovation by Samsung. Just because they manufacture something doesn't mean they created/designed it.
There engineers created the fab and process to make 14 nm transistors and all done from the ground up.
Ditto on there screens,from start to finish all samsung made and designed inovations.
Samsung engineers also worked closely with arm to build and design big little architecture and samaung has so many patents on 14nm and super amoled it's not even funny.
The only thing that's funny is the fact that you don't think samsung created these things.
Samsung has also licensed it's patents on 14nm to global foundaries
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Huh....
So I guess regaining the title of "world's largest smartphone supplier" wasn't really THAT good of news for them, if it came at the expense of profit.
Sammy remind me of the grocery chains that put out a "loss leader", like milk below their cost, to get people in the door.
Only in their case, since all the customer is buying is the one product.... it only translates to less profit.
So I guess regaining the title of "world's largest smartphone supplier" wasn't really THAT good of news for them, if it came at the expense of profit.
Sammy remind me of the grocery chains that put out a "loss leader", like milk below their cost, to get people in the door.
Only in their case, since all the customer is buying is the one product.... it only translates to less profit.
You didn't understand what he was saying. Both Apple and Samsung are asking premium prices for their high end devices, but only Samsung's are the ones people are not willing to pay them for.
I think you missed the point. Nobody is arguing that Apple charges a premium for their newest phones, but the fact is that people are willing to pay that premium. Samsung might have nice high-end phones, but not as many people want to pay the premium for high-end Samsung phones.
Why pay a premium price for a samsung iphone clone when you can get the real thing from Apple for a similar price. That is what's wrong with samsung.
net profit of 4.63 trillion - WOW! 
And this is with all the varied electronics products Samsung sells, including TVs, refrigerators, air conditioners, LCDs and OLEDs, memory cards for cameras as well as computers, and printers, all of which Apple does not produce or sell.
Good for them.
And this is with all the varied electronics products Samsung sells, including TVs, refrigerators, air conditioners, LCDs and OLEDs, memory cards for cameras as well as computers, and printers, all of which Apple does not produce or sell.
Good for them.
Exactly,it's on more devices and those more devices are not helping the higher end models sell. No doubt with Apple that's exactly why they won't go down-stream or allow their OS on other OEM makes as they know it will impact their current gravy train. If they come out with a $100-200 smartphone running iOS what do you think would happen to their current base? It's exactly why you see tons of $30k millionaires driving around in entry level Lexus and MBZ and BMW's. Your point about a throw away experience would apply to Apple too.
Do you really think all the iP4-5's are in the garbage? Nope....they are hand-me-downs. Thus why Apple is making a lame attempt to take them in on trade because they don't want 2nd generation users. They want mom and dad and their kids to buy new phones. Even my old 3Gs lives on as an iPod Touch and if lose or break it, who cares.
So what you're touting about Apple's success isn't as much because of what Samsung is doing as it is about what Apple isn't doing. If Apple goes downstream after entry level to mid level phones they will cannibalize their own market too. They've insulated themselves and that's a smart move; but let's not kid ourselves and think they are immune to what's going on.
Just look at the iPad and what's happening there. As the iPhone continued to grow and now they hit the phablet market, their sales dropped. Sprinkle in more competition and longer shelf life out of the products and their iPads aren't all that any more. Is anyone really surprised the larger iPhones sold well? I think the one most surprised were probably Apple.
The Android OS isn't a slouch though. My note 3 does more my way than iphones or my ipads will allow me to do. No doubt OS 8 is finally worthy of being usable and does more than ever before, but it's still limiting. I love the polish they bring to the watch and phone finally but it's time they start opening up and allowing users more control.
Doesn't do anything for me either way. Apple is rich, but does nothing for my experience and use with their devices. Just the same whatever is happening with Samsung isn't impacting the fact that my Note 3 / Android is still more usable for me day to day in terms of meeting what I need a device to do my way. BS over profitability and company earnings is just banter. Neither company is going anywhere anytime soon. Besides, even if Samsung discontinued the Note line up I could easily pick another Phablet with Android up and move on seamlessly. There would be no need for me to go back to an iPhone.
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Apple also spent money marketing the iPhone's 3.5in display as the perfect size. Now the iPhone is bigger than the Note 4. Alot of the features in iOS 7 were taken from Android. Guess that makes Apple a hypocrite? Guess that makes Apple just as big of a copy cat as they accuse others of being? As far as making fun of consumers, again...the irony here is absolutely hilarious. The Mac Vs. PC ads pretty much made the Mac user look cool and hip, while the PC user looked like a bumbling idiot. So, its OK if Apple pokes fun but God forbid the tables be turned? Lol you hardcore apple fans are hilarious. All of the stuff you say about Samsung can be applied to Apple. Apple has made fun of PC customers, just like Samsung made fun of Apple customers. Android users have talked trash about Apple users but Apple users have done the same. Don't believe me? Go back and read the comments from Apple users when Instagram first announced their android app.
Hell I remember when some on here got so angry when Samsung poked fun at bend gate. And what I also find funny about that is, it wasn't just Samsung that made fun of Apple. Yet, all the anger was directed at them. I mean the anger was off the charts smh. "OMG, you besmirched my iPhone! You must pay!!!" Yet I guarantee you that if the roles were reversed and it was Apple poking fun at Samsung's expense, nobody would be saying "damn apple, chill out" No, a lot of y'all would be eating up. Apple has thrown shots at Android at their iPhone launch events before and the apple soldiers thought it was the coolest thing ever. Again its OK for Apple to poke fun at the competition even fan's of a competing brand...but god forbid anyone do the same to Apple. And the fact that many of y'all get some angry over Samsung is absolutely hilarious to me. Its as if Sammy personally walked up to you and slapped you across the face. Smh lol jeez
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I guess I and a few others here are different. We are Apple fans but we don't think they are God's gift to the tech world. Nor do we think they can do no wrong. Nor do we have some insane borderline psychotic hatred towards Samsung (a company) over some stuff that has **** all to do with us. I have a 6+ and a S6 Edge. Both great products. Being a fan is one thing but a fanboy? That's entirely different.
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Yes... Apple has high prices and high margins... but don't forget that they also have pretty significant volume.
Apple sold 61 million iPhones last quarter... which makes them the #2 smartphone maker by volume.
Lenovo is a distant #3 with 19 million units.
In other words... Apple sells more than 3 times as many phones than their next competitor. Holy cow!
Apple is in an unusual position... they have high margins and high volume.
That's pretty rare.
Absolutely true. It is rare. But my point is that Apple is not focused on volume. Otherwise they would take lower margins to get the increased volume. They don't.
It is amazing, as you rightly point out, that in spite of this (higher prices), they are still in the #2 slot and could easily get back to #1 slot with another blockbuster phone this fall.
Exactly.
Apple doesn't have to make it up in volume... they get incredible volume anyway!
Samsung and Apple have been in the #1 and #2 spots for many years now.
For my own curiosity... how many units has the #3 smartphone maker ever had?
Not that it matters... but after seeing how far ahead Sammy and Apple are from the rest of the competition... it makes me wonder.
Exactly.
Apple doesn't have to make it up in volume... they get incredible volume anyway!
Samsung and Apple have been in the #1 and #2 spots for many years now.
For my own curiosity... how many units has the #3 smartphone maker ever had?
Not that it matters... but after seeing how far ahead Sammy and Apple are from the rest of the competition... it makes me wonder.
Look at the article that came out earlier today --
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/04/30/idc-tablet-shipments-q1-2015/
When "Other" is actually #1 (not Apple or Samsung), it says that the market is still not mature. I suspect that we will see some consolidation just as what happened in the PC market a decade ago. I would not be surprised to see Samsung buy out one of the competitors in China as a way to make better in-roads. Lenovo already did similar to get out of China.
My guess is that as that happens, Apple will fall to #3 or #4, just like in the PC business.
The Apple soldiers are willing to go thermonuclear on Samsung too! Google can't have all the fun.
Oh sure... "Others" is 50 or 60 companies combined.
I was talking about actual single companies.
But yes... there can't continue to be 50 or 60 smartphone companies when only a handful actually make money. It's simply not sustainable. There will be consolidation.
I remember when I was a kid and there were 50 or 60 PC companies... now there aren't. Companies bought other companies... or they simply went out of business completely.
It's funny though... Apple was at the birth of the PC industry... and they're still here today.
Now look at how many are not! The PC market is littered with corpses.
I suspect the smartphone market will experience a similar shift one day.
Does size matter?
That's a good theory - but Google says only 8.6% of phones looking at the Google play site claim to have a "large" (that is 4"-7") screen. https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Sure, technically "normal" screens go up to about 4.5" - but ultimately, Android sells on "cheap", not "large".
Not to mention that Samsung currently sells dozens of Android models worldwide that have a smaller screen than the original iPhone.
That's a good theory - but Google says only 8.6% of phones looking at the Google play site claim to have a "large" (that is 4"-7") screen. https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Sure, technically "normal" screens go up to about 4.5" - but ultimately, Android sells on "cheap", not "large".
Not to mention that Samsung currently sells dozens of Android models worldwide that have a smaller screen than the original iPhone.
Oh sure... "Others" is 50 or 60 companies combined.
I was talking about actual single companies.
But yes... there can't continue to be 50 or 60 smartphone companies when only a handful actually make money. It's simply not sustainable. There will be consolidation.
I remember when I was a kid and there were 50 or 60 PC companies... now there aren't. Companies bought other companies... or they simply went out of business completely.
It's funny though... Apple was at the birth of the PC industry... and they're still here today.
Now look at how many are not! The PC market is littered with corpses.
I suspect the smartphone market will experience a similar shift one day.
We are starting to go off topic a bit, but I had an Apple II+ when in school. There was no PC for several years until IBM partnered with Bill Gates. So in some sense Apple WAS the birth of the PC industry.
Gatway... Compaq... IBM... eMachines... just to name a few corpses.
Apple was late to the phone market, but they did alter its trajection. look at Motorola and Nokia. And were is Erikkson?
My guess is that the big players in this space will be Samsung (with purchases), Lanovo (with Motorola and other purchases), Apple (with inovations), and probably two more. What is not clear is if there will be another OS. MS is not making significant inroads. Tzien is going nowhere. It does seem like the OS race is all but done. Like the PC business, its Windows or OSX (Linux for the hardcore), it looks like the Phones will be Android or iOS and others for the hardcore.
You'd have to have the breakdown by device and size to make any further commentary.
Funny thing is, even though everyone praises their 14nm technology, it's not even the most advanced fab technology in the business. Intel still runs circles around every other fab owner but thei don't produce chips for others, just their owns. Yet, they are still more advanced than anyone else. Intel is starting 10nm productions this year while samsungs 14nm isn't even a 14nm everywhere in the chip.
Runs circles? Intel has nothing but delayed there 14nm chips.they are almost a full year behind schedule and where is Intel answer to the exynos 14nm mobile soc that is being mass produced? Tell me what Intel super mobile 14nm chip does against samsungs exynos?
It gets it's ass handed to it!
Ps samaung has demoed 10nm ahead of Intel
http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-demoes-first-10nm-finfet-chip-ahead-intel/