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Based on your logic, the iPhone wasn't innovative. The iPhone was just an iPod touch with a 2G cellular radio - and later a 3G and then 4G radio.

You didn't see the word "tablet" in my sentence did you? I say this because Android fanboys claim the Note was "innovative". A big screen mobile device isn't innovative. Ask Mercedes Benz what innovation is, they'll tell you.
 
Ever notice how Samsung only ever shows the lock screen in product shots of their mobile products?

Why do you think that is?

It's the same reason their high-end phones are selling less and less. The operating system and apps aren't enough to justify paying a premium, even if it is decent hardware.

And the proof is in the numbers.
 
The only reason some people on this site adore Samsung is because they're the closest thing available to an anti-Apple. These people hate Apple more than they actually like Samsung, so they latch on to whatever Samsung is selling at the time as a way of practicing their hatred.

HTC and LG are still making better phones, even if the Galaxy S6 has helped Samsung catch up a bit. I don't know why someone would choose a Galaxy S6 over a G4 or M9.

Marketing. And your logic, I believe is faulty. There are a lot of reasons people either like Samsung and/or dislike Apple.

Yeah, Samusng innovates by putting someone else's OS on their phones. T

Actually, Samsung has innovated quite a bit. Especially with the Note series. However I think that their camera and software are two of the superior aspects of their flagship phone when it comes to innovation and delivering on it.
 
I've yet to see any concrete S6 sales figures for launch weekend. If they had been as spectacular as stated (besides T-Mobile's ridiculous "selling double the S5 release") then I'm sure we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Anyone seen any figures yet?
 
Of course Samsung sold many "middle-end" phones for that quarter - their premium phones were nearing an annual refresh. So it makes sense that this would be the case and they expect profits to be higher next quarter when that premium phone comes out. iPhone sales traditionally decrease in the quarter before their annual refresh. I am not sure what is so hard to comprehend about this article, but it seems like many posters are not letting facts get in the way of a good story.
 
The operating system and apps aren't enough to justify paying a premium, even if it is decent hardware. And the proof is in the numbers.

I suppose that's why Android OS still out sells iOS. Yes, the proof is in the numbers.
 
Might be true for small businesses but certainly not the only thing that matters in retail. Revenue (related to profit) is one of the holy trinity of any successful retail business: Volume, Market Share, and Revenue.

Higher revenue and dropping market share is never a good thing.

Some organization had major lay off sessions because their revenue increased by 10% in the time market volume increased by 15%; that 5% went to someone else.

That said, one would argue that Samsung can boast higher market share and maybe even volume but dropping revenue, which again is not a good thing.


In the end none of your trinity matters without profit. Profit is needed for any business to be sustainable. It may not take much profit, but there has to be some.

Even in retail higher revenue and dropping market share don't tell you anything on their own. Decisions to layoff people aren't going to be driven by reduced market share in an expanding market. Layoffs would be a cost cutting measure to help increase profit.

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I suppose that's why Android OS still out sells iOS. Yes, the proof is in the numbers.

Which Android version is that exactly?
 
There were 350 million smartphones shipped last quarter with 80 million from Samsung and 60 million from Apple.

That leaves 210 million smartphones from the other smartphone makers.

Yes... other companies would step up if Samsung suddenly disappeared.

But I'd also like to challenge the notion of Samsung's "dominance"

Yes... Samsung is the largest Android manufacturer. But they're not the only Android manufacturer.

Like I said before... Samsung shipped 80 million Android smartphones last quarter.

But there were over 200 million non-Samsung Android smartphones last quarter.

So what exactly is Samsung "dominating" in? They obviously don't have the monopoly on Android phones. Tizen hasn't taken off either... nor have their attempts with their own app store, music store, etc.

Samsung is big... sure... but they're just another Android hardware vendor.

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I'm obviously mistaken. It's really interesting to know those stats - thank you! :)
 
Apart from the fact that I don't like Samsung's terrible version of Android or their cheap gimmicky "features", I've got no irrational need to "hate" them or their products, but then, I have no reasons to love their products, nor do I see how I can simply and efficiently use them in my life.

I've now got even less than zero reasons to want a Galaxy, a -10 count on reasons, especially when I can pick up a Lumia 640XL which has 13MP Zeiss camera, 5.7" screen and 3,000mAh TWO DAY battery life... for just £185.

Throwing together a lot of features and design cues from other phones, and hoping what made the other phones a success will work for you too, just because they're vaguely similar, is just ridiculous. Samsung STILL don't understand what Apple and Microsoft understand... It's the OVERALL EXPERIENCE and the subconscious simplicity of usability and functionality that is so amazingly transparent, which make a successful product, not throwing lots of specs into a gaudy shell, and hoping people will choose you over the leading product, just because you do a few things kinda the same... ish... if you squint a bit.

Alan Kay once said:

"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

- he's talking about people who make their OWN software, btw, not people who licence a Java based OS designed by a company who specialise in ads and search engines. Microsoft and Apple both make their OWN OS and hardware for phone, and although the apps are lacking on Windows Phone, they, as iOS, don't need 8 cores and 3GB+ of garbage collection RAM, just to stave off stuttering and lag.
 
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Ever notice how Samsung only ever shows the lock screen in product shots of their mobile products?

Why do you think that is?

It's the same reason their high-end phones are selling less and less. The operating system and apps aren't enough to justify paying a premium, even if it is decent hardware.

And the proof is in the numbers.

Interesting point. I'm surprised Apple don't advertise free downloads of Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iMovie and GarageBand more. Steve Jobs once said iLife was the reason some people bought Macs. Could they make it the same reason people buy iPads over others?
 
Question:

I know there's the big-daddy Samsung Corporation... and then there are many subsidiaries beneath it.

Samsung Electronics is one of those subsidiaries.

And I'm assuming the "Mobile Division" is inside of Samsung Electronics.

So can a division report its own profits and losses? Or are they talking Samsung Electronics?

I only ask because these articles are all using different terms for what I'm guessing is the same news story:

MacRumors - "Samsung Electronics"
Inquirer - "Mobile Division"
eWeek - "Samsung"

It seems that each source read Samsung's earnings report and decided to pick out different numbers from it.

There is Samsung - the whole company, everything. Not doing well. Revenue down, profits down.

There is Samsung Mobile Division - they make the phones and probably tablets as well. They are doing worse. Revenue down a lot, profits down horribly. They are probably still the largest division.

There is Samsung Electronics - which to the pleasure of the Samsung fans here make various products that end up in iPhones. Revenue is grown, profits have grown.

There seems to be a division just for displays, which isn't very big, but has improved.

And lots of other divisions, making fridges, freezers, copies of Dyson vacuum cleaners, tanks etc.

I couldn't say if they publish separate results everywhere; we might not see them because the websites we look at don't find them interesting and don't publish them.
 
I suppose that's why Android OS still out sells iOS. Yes, the proof is in the numbers.

Of course it's going to be on more total devices. Let's be honest. Android is a freebie operating system that manufacturers use because they aren't capable of creating their own. Any company can get in on the action.

Which brings me back to my point, Samsung's flagship phones just aren't worth the premium, because you can get the same throw-away experience on something that costs NOTHING.

Did you see that Samsung's profit dipped a whopping 39% year to year? That's panic time, no question about it.
 
It seems that each source read Samsung's earnings report and decided to pick out different numbers from it.

There is Samsung - the whole company, everything. Not doing well. Revenue down, profits down.

There is Samsung Mobile Division - they make the phones and probably tablets as well. They are doing worse. Revenue down a lot, profits down horribly. They are probably still the largest division.

There is Samsung Electronics - which to the pleasure of the Samsung fans here make various products that end up in iPhones. Revenue is grown, profits have grown.

There seems to be a division just for displays, which isn't very big, but has improved.

And lots of other divisions, making fridges, freezers, copies of Dyson vacuum cleaners, tanks etc.

I couldn't say if they publish separate results everywhere; we might not see them because the websites we look at don't find them interesting and don't publish them.

They copy the Dyson? That must be the first product that's a success because it sucks... and I'm sure Samsung can copy it and make it suck more, but in which manner? That's the question.
 
Name a feature that Samsung invented that any other manufacturer (Apple, LG, Motorola, Sony, anyone) thought was so compelling they just had to copy it. Spoiler alert: there aren't any.

Samsung makes OK-enough hardware, even if it's ugly as sin, but can't innovate to save their lives. And their declining profits reflect that. The days of copying the iPhone hardware and raking in the profits are over, and Samsung should be worried about that because that was pretty much their whole business model.

14nm finfet
Ufs 2.0 nand
577ppi super amoled screen

All 3 are designed and made by samsung
 
It doesn't matter. Innovation is still there.

So you're pretty much saying it doesn't matter if its useful, as long as its something new and no one else has done it? Makes sense.

I have done my best to understand that S6 Edge and I just don't get the point of it.
 
Up until S6, every single Samsung is garbage in the way it feels in your hand. S6 is somewhat pretty good. Having said that I would never pay any money for a Samsung, i have always paid in full for my phones and paid less per month due to bring your own device plan and will always do that. I honestly believe people get samsung devices only because they are cheaper. I can't see anyone paying 700$ for a samsung, i could be wrong but i just dont see it.
And now that contracts and subsidies are slowly going away it will only hurt samsung even more.
 
Innovation is hardly ever perfect the first time around. Development makes things better. That's what I meant by "doesn't matter" but you probably think that anything apple does is innovative.

So develop it further before selling it to consumers for $700+
 
So you're pretty much saying it doesn't matter if its useful, as long as its something new and no one else has done it? Makes sense.

I have done my best to understand that S6 Edge and I just don't get the point of it.

It's about following the downward curve, just like its creator is. :p

No, I don't get it either, it's a ridiculous gimmick, which is unusual for Samsung... :D
 
The only reason some people on this site adore Samsung is because they're the closest thing available to an anti-Apple. These people hate Apple more than they actually like Samsung, so they latch on to whatever Samsung is selling at the time as a way of practicing their hatred.

HTC and LG are still making better phones, even if the Galaxy S6 has helped Samsung catch up a bit. I don't know why someone would choose a Galaxy S6 over a G4 or M9.

I would definitely choose an S6 over the M9. I still don't like the M9's absurd bezels, Boom sound be damned.

I still need to see how the G4 turns out. Its leather back seems gimmicky and forced, especially since Motorola had already done it.

And really, who on this site adore Samsung?

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Up until S6, every single Samsung is garbage in the way it feels in your hand. S6 is somewhat pretty good. Having said that I would never pay any money for a Samsung, i have always paid in full for my phones and paid less per month due to bring your own device plan and will always do that. I honestly believe people get samsung devices only because they are cheaper. I can't see anyone paying 700$ for a samsung, i could be wrong but i just dont see it.
And now that contracts and subsidies are slowly going away it will only hurt samsung even more.

You serious about that? Samsung Galaxy S and Note phones are just as expensive, if not more expensive than iPhones. Hell, the Galaxy Note 2014 (when it was released) is more expensive than the iPad at the entry level price point.

Other Android OEMs such as Motorola provide more discounts than Samsung.
 
When raking in billions in a quarter...I don't know how there's any "loss".
 
Oh, boy. And Apple copied Digione:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/12/03/did-apples-iphone-6-copy-this-chinese-companys-design/

(And the Android crowd will tell you how iOS ripped off notifications, multitasking, predictive keyboard, widgets (still poor implementation) and so on.)

The bottom line is, the S6 is still a premium product and a much better one than the Galaxies of old.

It doesn't mean that the iPhone may not have ultimately better design, or even better fit and finish. But to be fair, many pundits too an issue wit the iPhone's plastic inlays and can argue that these are almost as bad as alignment issues (which should really make Samsung embarrassed).

But keep it in perspective. When most users slap some ugly case on their iPhone, the perfect alignment is a mute point.

But Samsung has delivered a better camera, with OIS, for less money. I like that.

My point was, the S6 is a really good product. It's silly to argue that it's not.

oh, i'm not saying the S6 isn't an outstanding phone, it's just that its departure from the S5 almost negated the elements that made it a Samsung product. they ditched their galaxy phone for an iphone/kinda-galaxy hybrid (real classy, what with their attack ads).

i don't believe that's the case with xaomi, as most other pictures of that model phone look more like a plastic version of the iPhone 5s with slightly more rounded corners. the backside is so dissimilar it's definitely not a great comparison - xaomi even set out to BE the 'apple of china'. though again, i'm sure its a great phone in its own right.

everybody's doing the apple thing these days, and it's fine, imo. no reason to be upset about it (or ignore it) and point to the iPhone's nearly unchanging design philosophy and claim it's a copy of apple wannabes.it's a 'copy' of braun and german design, and the jetsons and.. whatever steve and jony grew up admiring.

*as for AMOLED vs RGB (and the camera/lenses used to produce images on them)? well that's preference as well, to a degree. i personally think samsung screens look a bit cartoony, and contrast is over-emphasized. great 'presence' and touchability (it begs you to touch it), but for me, the fact that RGB is more natural and a better color representation is indispensable as a photo/design enthusiast.
 
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If the courts won't punish Samsung for their thieving ways, we can by keeping up the boycott of all their consumer goods.

They make crappy phones, but JD Power ranks their refrigerators and microwaves as the best.

That said, I did feel a bit weird buying a Samsung microwave.

JD Power also ranks the iPhone as the best smartphone; of course.
 
Did you see that Samsung's profit dipped a whopping 39% year to year? That's panic time, no question about it.

That's the whole of Samsung. Samsung's mobile division dropped profits by 57%. They are to a large extent responsible for the 39% drop of the whole company; the rest did better than that (although they dropped profits as well, but not by 39%).

Now this whole thread is about how Samsung is selling more smartphones than Apple. You can always reduce price and profit and use that to sell more units, but it is counterproductive and doesn't make you any money. Still, that's what Samsung seems to have done.
 
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