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Sorry, no - the real choice facing anybody buying a Mac Mini or Mac Studio at the moment is whether to pay out for the Studio Display or compromise with a cheaper 4k display (or get 2-3 for the price of a SD).

There is only one 5k display that makes any sense to compare with - the LG Ultrafine - and there are plenty of such comparisons floating around. AFAIK the HP and Dell 5k displays were discontinued years ago, and there is/was a cheap IIyama based on reject 5k panels but it probably isn't available where you are and the reviews were terrible. Even the LG is hard to get at the moment, although LG say it is still in production.
There is that LG 5120x2880 27" model which is still available as you say, but there is also the LG 5120x2160 34" model, if that counts.

I'd prefer something in between though, like a hypothetical 5120x2400 or 5120x2880 30" model. AFAIK, nothing like this exists.
 


Samsung recently introduced the M8, a new 32-inch 4K display that's priced at $700, making it less than half as expensive as the Studio Display from Apple. We picked up one of the displays and thought we'd compare it to the Studio Display in our latest YouTube video to see how it performs and whether you can save some money by going with a cheaper option.


In addition to serving as a display, the M8 also doubles as a 4K TV, featuring Tizen OS, built-in apps and an app store, a remote control, built-in Apple AirPlay support, and a 1080p webcam, all of which sounds great.

With a 4K resolution, the display looks great, but unsurprisingly, it's not quite as good as the 5K Studio Display, which definitely has the better screen. The Studio Display is sharper, more vibrant, and offers more accurate color, so it's definitely a better choice for those who are doing professional work.

As for design, the M8 looks to be inspired by the Studio Display and the 24-inch iMac, with Samsung offering it in white, blue, pink, and green aluminum. It looks good, and it's going to match your Apple devices because it's clearly an Apple-like aesthetic. The Samsung display is larger than the Studio Display at 32 inches instead of 27 inches, and out of the box, it's tilt and height adjustable, a feature that requires an upgrade on the Studio Display. There is no VESA mount option, though.

The Studio Display wins out when it comes to the speakers and microphone, and it features 4 USB-C ports, while the Samsung monitor has a couple USB-C ports and a micro HDMI port. The add-on camera attaches magnetically on the M8, and though the Studio Display offers Center Stage for FaceTime and other video apps, the M8 has a similar feature.

All in all, if you're looking for affordability and versatility, the M8 is worth the $700 because it also doubles as a TV, but if you want premium quality for professional work, the Studio Display is the better choice.

Article Link: Samsung's New 32-Inch 'M8' Display vs. Apple's Studio Display
I still have the 27" thunderbolt studio display. would this be better?
 
"Yes but, the Samsung M8 has 4k resolution compared to the 5k of the SD"

"Yes, but the ... has a lower PPI which is a HUUUGE difference and bla bla bla..."

Some of you guys (that probably own a SD) are missing the point, you forget to mention that the SD costs $900 MORE, I'd like to say it again, $900 than the Samsung M8.

If you guys think that an hither PPI and a 5k instead of a 4k gusify the difference of price then fine (and I'm not even considering that the Samsung M8 has: AriPlay, Alexa integrated, you can surf through the web, watch movies, removable cable, height adjustable stand, more ports, no HDR...) which the SD doesn't.
 
220/254 ~= 0.86 = 14% smaller

The tendency is to keep that as a native size because you also typically sit closer to a laptop display, but in the past when the DPI was farther off they would default to a non-native display mode. When you have a high DPI it reduces the blurring visible for such non-native modes.

Sure. Apple operating systems do not use pixels as their coordinate system, but points. So there is the classic "1x" mode, while macOS has a "2x" mode and iOS has both "2x" and "3x".
I'm afraid that doesn't answer my question. I was referring to the following statement...if multiples of 110 ppi are so ideal, why would they use 254 ppi in the latest MBP's? Is it that if you are below 220 ppi, the non-ideality is perceptible, but that if you're above it it's not, and thus the net effect on text sharpness of going beyond 220 ppi more than makes up for deviation from ideality?
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Samsung recently introduced the M8, a new 32-inch 4K display that's priced at $700, making it less than half as expensive as the Studio Display from Apple. We picked up one of the displays and thought we'd compare it to the Studio Display in our latest YouTube video to see how it performs and whether you can save some money by going with a cheaper option.


In addition to serving as a display, the M8 also doubles as a 4K TV, featuring Tizen OS, built-in apps and an app store, a remote control, built-in Apple AirPlay support, and a 1080p webcam, all of which sounds great.

With a 4K resolution, the display looks great, but unsurprisingly, it's not quite as good as the 5K Studio Display, which definitely has the better screen. The Studio Display is sharper, more vibrant, and offers more accurate color, so it's definitely a better choice for those who are doing professional work.

As for design, the M8 looks to be inspired by the Studio Display and the 24-inch iMac, with Samsung offering it in white, blue, pink, and green aluminum. It looks good, and it's going to match your Apple devices because it's clearly an Apple-like aesthetic. The Samsung display is larger than the Studio Display at 32 inches instead of 27 inches, and out of the box, it's tilt and height adjustable, a feature that requires an upgrade on the Studio Display. There is no VESA mount option, though.

The Studio Display wins out when it comes to the speakers and microphone, and it features 4 USB-C ports, while the Samsung monitor has a couple USB-C ports and a micro HDMI port. The add-on camera attaches magnetically on the M8, and though the Studio Display offers Center Stage for FaceTime and other video apps, the M8 has a similar feature.

All in all, if you're looking for affordability and versatility, the M8 is worth the $700 because it also doubles as a TV, but if you want premium quality for professional work, the Studio Display is the better choice.

Article Link: Samsung's New 32-Inch 'M8' Display vs. Apple's Studio Display
Mac Studio display has -one-Thunderbolt port and -three- USB C ports.
 
This^

But I totally agree with the comments saying that a 32-inches at 2160P (3840x2160) is not going to be a "Retina display" and you pretty much confirm this. Who sits 64 cm (25 inches)+ from a monitor? I just measured the distance I sit from my 2x 34-inch ultrawides and it's about 51 cm (20 inches) and that's my normal sitting position, I happen to peak closer at times as well. Apple's notion about desktop monitors having to be around ~210-220 PPI to be Retina feels about correct and if we use your calculator that should mean it's Retina as long as you stay beyond 41 cm (16 inches) and sitting anything closer than that seems unlikely for most scenarios.
I am currently sitting 30" from a MacBook Air as secondary monitor reading this.
 
I own a samsung 32" 4K display and it's amazing. It's got lots of real estate which makes it perfect for coding. In the distance I'm sitting I can't tell the difference between a real retina display. It's got the same real estate as the 6K apple display only with less pixels. And I only bought it for 400€ !!!

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Looks nice.

I’d be interested if there were more ports. I use several devices with my monitors.

I guess that LG 4K USB-C monitor will do then.
 
The Samsung is a non-starter for Mac users, because it’s only 4k @ 32 inches, which means it’s not a retina display. Basically useless for the Mac then.
Are you sure you understand how 4K monitors work on Macs? People usually downscale it to 2560 x 1440, which makes it look "kind of" like a 5K double-pixled monitor, but not quite as sharp.

I've spoken to dozens of Mac users about this, and I keep hearing that they can't tell a difference between a 5K monitor double-pixled to 2560 x 1440 vs a 4K monitor downscaled to 2560 x 1440. Personally, I can tell the difference, but I think most people either don't see it or don't care enough to pay twice as much for a 5K display.
 
"It's got the same real estate as the 6K apple display only"


Same physical size.

not the same pixel real estate.

Huge. Difference.
This is wrong. Both 5K and 4K downscale to the 2560x1440 resolution-sized objects on screen. So, it’s the same exact real estate. What’s different is that the 5K display double-pixels to get to the 2560x1440 resolution-sized objects, whereas the 4K display downscales with “virtual” pixel displayed via more than one but less than two physical pixels (averaging this out across the entire display real estate). So, for text, the 4K display downscaled to the 2560x1440 results in less sharp font edges. However, most people can’t see the difference, don’t want to see the difference, or don’t care enough to pay twice for a 5K display to double-pixel the downscaling to 2560x1440.
 
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Looks ok for some, but there is only one true competitor to the Studio Display and its the LG UltraFine 5K. Studio Display is absolutely worth the extra $300 for the design alone if height adjustment doesn't matter to you.

Every other 27" or 32" 4K monitor on the market is not Retina quality, and thus might as well not even exist to many people here.
 
This is wrong. Both 5K and 4K downscale to the 2560x1440 resolution-sized objects on screen. So, it’s the same exact real estate. What’s different is that the 5K display double-pixels to get to the 2560x1440 resolution-sized objects, whereas the 4K display downscales with “virtual” pixel displayed via more than one but less than two physical pixels (averaging this out across the entire display real estate). So, for text, the 4K display downscaled to the 2560x1440 results in less sharp font edges. However, most people can’t see the difference, don’t want to see the difference, or don’t care enough to pay twice for a 5K display to double-pixel the downscaling to 2560x1440.
According to System Preferences -> Displays, Mac OS's default resolution for my 4k display is 1920 x 1080, not 2560 x 1440. Since the native resolution of my display is 3840 x 2160, 1920 x 1080 gives exact pixel doubling, avoiding the issue you describe. So it seems the reason my 4k display doesn't look as sharp as a 5k display isn't because of scaling artifacts—it's purely pixel density.

By contrast, if you had a 5k display, its native resolution is 5120 x 2880. Thus MacOS's default resolution for it would be 2560 x 1440, which would also give exact pixel doubling.

In summary, here are the default resolutions Mac OS uses for 4k and 5k displays*, both of which give exact pixel doubling:

4k: 1920 x 1080
5k: 2560 x 1440

*I'm assuming the number for 5k, since I don't have one handy to check.

You can scale a 4k display to variety of different resolutions, including 2560 x 1440. But unless you select 1920 x 1080 (2:1) or 3840 x 2160 (1:1), System Preferences gives you a warning that this may affect performance:


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Mac Studio display has -one-Thunderbolt port and -three- USB C ports.
USB-C is a form factor. Thunderbolt 3, Thunderbolt 4, and USB 4 use USB-C form-factor ports. Thunderbolt 2 uses a miniDP form-factor port.

You are talking about Thunderbolt 2 vs Thunderbolt 3 vs Thunderbolt 4 vs USB 4 vs USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 vs USB 3.2 Gen 2 vs USB 3.2 Gen 1 (the USB 3.0 and USB 3.1 standards have been deprecated) vs USB 2.0 vs USB 1.0, which do not necessarily mapped directly to a form-factor (although some of them are).

USB 4 is similar to Thunderbolt 4 in that they use the same connector and both can support of up to 40 Gbps bidirectionally. However, USB 4 has a minimum speed requirement of 20 Gbps and a minimum power requirement of 7.5 W, whereas Thunderbolt 4 has a minimum speed requirement of 32 Gbps and a minimum power requirement of 15 W.

USB 4 doesn't support dual displays, whereas Thunderbolt 4 does. For example, the first generation of the M1 Macs have USB 4 ports, whereas the second (or the 1.5 generation) - M1 Pro, M1 Max, and M1 Ultra - have Thunderbolt 4 ports. That's why the newer M1 Macs support 2 or 3 external displays via their USB-C-form-factor ports, whereas the older M1 Macs only support one external display via its USB-C form-factor port.

Additionally, Thunderbolt 4 can provide 40 Gbps across cables that are longer than 2 meters, whereas USB 4 supports 40 Gbps only on cables that are 1 meter or shorter, and they drop the speed to 20 Gbps for cables that are 2 meters and longer.

USB 4 cables and Thunderbolt 4 cables are similar, and in some cases can be used interchangeably. To tell the USB 4 cable apart from the Thunderbolt 4 cable, one should look at the markings on the USB-C connectors.

Yes, I know it's a big mess.
 
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Check out the Lenovo ThinkVision P27u-20. It's the same price as the Samsung M8. It's a very nice 27" 4K monitor with a built-in Thunderbolt 4 dock. The display is also more color accurate than the Studio Display (99.1% DCI-P3 and 99.5% Adobe RGB compared to 98.8% DCI-P3 and 86% Adobe RGB). Lenovo also has a 32" 4K display, but of course lower PPI at that size. Pretty hard to tell the difference between 5K and 4K at 27".
 
With a 4K resolution, the display looks great, but unsurprisingly, it's not quite as good as the 5K Studio Display, which definitely has the better screen. The Studio Display is sharper, more vibrant, and offers more accurate color, so it's definitely a better choice for those who are doing professional work.

Apple Studio Display shows 218 ppi.
Samsung M8 (or any 32" 4K monitor) shows 140ppi.

Studio Display displays 14.7 million pixels.
A 4K monitor like the M8 displays 8.2 million pixels.

The Studio Display has 600 nits of brightness
The Samsung M8 has 400 nits of brightness.
 
Here are two completely different displays. Different in size, resolution, color space, connectivity. Is one better than the other? No, they're different! This could just have easily been a comparison between a $200 Dell monitor and the Studio Display for all the good it's doing in that both displays can run off a Mac. The whole point of the Studio Display is that it's a terrific 5k panel which is Retina quality. Stop trying to make it into something that it is not.
 
They're pricing it at $700. That's more than twice what people typically pay for a monitor. So, yeah, I would call that prosumer.
Well, having just spent the last month shopping for a prosumer monitor for my home office - where I was not shooting for amazing color accuracy or top of the line panel tech, without insane requirements either, but I need something that's better than the typical monitor out there with washed out colors and unreliable precision - all that without breaking the bank, $700 for a prosumer 4k monitor is really nothing.

I'm not sure who this is aimed at, the built-in gadgets and does-it-all-but-excels-at-nothing approach are a hit or miss I suppose.
 
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but there is also the LG 5120x2160 34" model, if that counts.
OK, so I'm not going to dispute that's technically 5k, but as an ultra-wide its about the same physical height as a 27" and only has the pixel density (160ppi) of a 4k. My feeling is that the physical height is going to impose the same sort of scaling choices as a 27" 4k (if you think in terms of system font height/number of lines of text).

It's kinda crazy that the industry has switched from measuring the vertical pixels (720p, 1080p, 1440p) to horizontal pixels (4k, 5k)... I get that the former evolved out of the number of lines on analogue TV - but I'm not sure that the latter makes any more sense. Diagonal pixels maybe? :)

5k Ultrawide is definitely a valid option to explore but I don't think it's a direct equivalent to 5120x2880/220ppi.
 
Apple Studio Display shows 218 ppi.
Samsung M8 (or any 32" 4K monitor) shows 140ppi.

Studio Display displays 14.7 million pixels.
A 4K monitor like the M8 displays 8.2 million pixels.

The Studio Display has 600 nits of brightness
The Samsung M8 has 400 nits of brightness.
Apple Studio Display costs $1600
Samsung M8 costs $700
Buy two for less money and get 16.4 million pixels.

There's no pretence here that a 4k display gives equivalent picture quality to the Studio Display. It's a cheaper alternative that may be more than good enough for many people - and there's some... debate about how visible the difference is at realistic viewing distances.

(Other 4K displays in same ballpark or cheaper, may be better - I'm not evangelising the M8 here, but it has some interesting extras)
 
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Well, close.

Yes, the camera is the same. But the parameters aren't: a desktop display is further from your face than a tablet's. Therefore, Center Stage needs to pick a smaller crop in order to make your face stand out. And a smaller crop means sensor weaknesses come out more.

So, really, to give the Studio Display a roughly equivalent performance as on an iPad Pro, they would've needed to give it a better sensor.
I'm not certain I fully agree. When used for center-stage, I would posit that the distances involved are not actually that different. Now, on average is the iPad closer to your gob? Sure. But that's just a use-case that doesn't apply for the studio display. The center-stage performance ought to be identical.
 
What's the difference, apart from price and a camera(?), between the M7 and the M8.
 
Why are the bezels white? This is incredibly disappointing. Bezels are black for a reason.

Crap screen doesn't do it any favors either. Studio Display is expensive but it's leagues apart.
 
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