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I would like to see M8's scaled resolutions while connected to a Mac. The video tended to repeat some of the details ( like the M8 is height adjustable and it's a TV etc. ). To me the benefit of watching a video review is to *see* the features that can only be imagined when reading a description. Thanks for taking the time to review the M8.
 
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Sorry, no - the real choice facing anybody buying a Mac Mini or Mac Studio at the moment is whether to pay out for the Studio Display or compromise with a cheaper 4k display (or get 2-3 for the price of a SD).

There is only one 5k display that makes any sense to compare with - the LG Ultrafine - and there are plenty of such comparisons floating around. AFAIK the HP and Dell 5k displays were discontinued years ago, and there is/was a cheap IIyama based on reject 5k panels but it probably isn't available where you are and the reviews were terrible. Even the LG is hard to get at the moment, although LG say it is still in production.
They're too different. If those are your options, you don't need a detailed comparison to any particular 4K display. Question is just whether or not you need 5K. Most people don't, so they ought to ignore the Studio Display and start comparing the M8 against the tons of other 4K options.
 
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TV is another story. Do you really sit at different distance when using 27" vs 32" monitors? Sitting much further than usual is not a pleasant experience for most and it defeats the purpose of having a larger monitor.
I had a 30" Apple Cinema display for years, and yes, I sat a little further back that I do my 27' Retina iMac. On a larger display, you don't want to be torquing your head back & forth to see the content. Sitting back a bit is more comfortable and natural. I hadn't really thought about it, but I just measured the distance, and I sit about 28" from my 27" retina iMac, so I could actually get away with 4K at 32" and not see the pixels. Of course other issues come into play, like contrast and brightness, but those insisting you gotta have 5K (or more) on a large monitor to see "retina quality" (not seeing the pixels) are in disagreement w/ Steve Jobs, who when speaking of phone screens said: "It turns out there’s a magic number right around 300 pixels per inch, that when you hold something around to 10 to 12 inches away from your eyes, is the limit of the human retina to differentiate the pixels."
 
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Iirc, there is one other 5K display that's not basically an iMac display in some shape or form, and that's this one ilyama (
XB2779QQS-S1) that's discontinued as far as I know.

5K is a pretty specific Mac fetish that hasn't caught on anywhere else, really. So you kinda have to compare to 4K displays if you want to compare against anything at all.
There are LG and Dell 5K displays. It's definitely a less popular option.
 

“Real estate refers to the resolution, not the physical size.”

No one runs 5K 27” displays at 5K-sized resolution. The display double pixels to 2560x1440. It’s only if you run the display at the native 5K resolution will you have more real estate, but then your screen elements will be minute.
 
There are LG and Dell 5K displays. It's definitely a less popular option.
The LG one is pretty much the Studio Display without the branding, features and build quality. It even has pretty much the same panel (not exactly, tho, apparently). Didn't know about the Dell one, tho. You mean the UP2715K? That one looks pretty much discontinued, much like the ilyama.

The funny thing: all of those displays are IPS panels. I wouldn't be too surprised if they were all utilizing the same panel LG basically tailor made for Apple for the original Retina iMac. That Apple is still using that panel with incremental improvements at best really goes to show both how good that panel actually was and still is.

It's a bit sad the 5K never became a thing anywhere else. I mean I'm fine with 1440p, I really truly am. But you can't argue it's something pretty amazing.
 
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It's a bit sad the 5K never became a thing anywhere else. I mean I'm fine with 1440p, I really truly am. But you can't argue it's something pretty amazing.
One of the problems is that mainstream hardware didn't actually support 5K properly until relatively recently. The other problem was that Windows 10 didn't support these monitors and resolutions that well either.

Does Windows 11 work better for this?
 
The LG one is pretty much the Studio Display without the branding, features and build quality. It even has pretty much the same panel (not exactly, tho, apparently). Didn't know about the Dell one, tho. You mean the UP2715K? That one looks pretty much discontinued, much like the ilyama.

The funny thing: all of those displays are IPS panels. I wouldn't be too surprised if they were all utilizing the same panel LG basically tailor made for Apple for the original Retina iMac. That Apple is still using that panel with incremental improvements at best really goes to show both how good that panel actually was and still is.

It's a bit sad the 5K never became a thing anywhere else. I mean I'm fine with 1440p, I really truly am. But you can't argue it's something pretty amazing.
I remember seeing the UP2715K on Amazon, seeing it's discontinued, then finding a newer Dell 5K monitor that wasn't. But I don't even see it anymore, so let's just assume my memory is bad and it was the UP2715K.

I'm also fine with 2K or even 1200p/1080p. Annoyingly, macOS doesn't let you scale the UI for external monitors (but does for the internal MBP screen), so even 2K makes some things too small for me. My triple screen setup is 2K-2K-1080p so I can move stuff to the right to read it bigger. Maybe it lets you scale on the Studio Display only, which would be kind of a scam.
 
Annoyingly, macOS doesn't let you scale the UI for external monitors (but does for the internal MBP screen), so even 2K makes some things too small for me.
Is this a feature on the newer OS's? On High Sierra, there's no difference between the internal MBP screen and external monitors in how scaling works—for all of them, changing the scaling adjusts everything equally. There's no option to adjust the UI size (menus, task bar, sidebars, etc.) independently
 
Assuming exactly 32” at 6K, the diagonal would be 34.5” at 7K and almost 37” at 8K if the aspect ratios are all the same. The actual diagonal of the XDR is 31.7”.
For constant PPI and aspect ratio, the diagonal scales linearly with horizontal resolution, so 32" @ 6k translates to:
32" x 7k/6k = 37" @ 7k
32" x 8k/6k = 43" @ 8k
(it would actually be closer to 42" at 8k, because 31.7" x 8k/6k = 42.3")

[For constant PPI, the horizontal dimension scales linearly with the horizontal resolution and, for constant aspect ratio, the diagonal scales linearly with the horizontal dimension.]

[You were having it scale as the square root of the horizontal resolution, which is why you got the figures you did, i.e.: 32" x sqrt(6k/7k) = 34.6" and 32" x sqrt(8k/6k) = 37.0". You were probably thinking of the number of pixels—in 2D, the diagonal scales as the sqrt of the no. of pixels, assuming const. PPI and aspect ratio.]
 
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Well, I have NO dog in this hunt other then to say I waited an eternity (well it felt like it) for a proper Apple designed Monitor to return. My computer room is an intentionally designed room so 'looks matter' heavily (sorry no tolerance for cheap plastic crap). I picked up my Studio Display and Studio on 3/18 and have enjoyed them for the past month. Does it sit too low-yes. Did I resolve that with a glass riser to match the desk, yup, height issue resolved for $20. Yesterday I decided to really do the set up the way I wanted for years and ordered 2 more Apple Studio Displays! I'm going triple. Sometimes you gotta open the wallet guys and enjoy quality. Oh, here is the kicker. Decided to do this at 12:15 pm yesterday afternoon and went looking. Apple will ship them to you in mid-June. yeah, no. While searching the net I came across a reference/review of Costco selling Apple Studios on-line. What the heck, brought up the page and sure enough they are selling the Studio Displays AND at a $100 discount..so still an overpriced $1499 . But better then $1599. Ordered the 2. Approximately 28 hours later at 5pm this afternoon the UPS truck showed up. With both monitors. Free 1 day shipping. Don't get much better than that.
 
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I like how the webcam is like the logical inverse of the notch.
? Probably the funniest comment I’ve read on this forum. My mind imagined a notch geometry flipping inside out and producing a Samsung monitor. Their rivalry is so funny sometimes because they’re like the tacky parasitic twin version of Apple that tries so hard to cut them down. But it only ever backfired or gets lost in translation, and then they just start copying them or spec-racing to one-up them again. Cycle repeats.
 
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They're too different. If those are your options, you don't need a detailed comparison to any particular 4K display. Question is just whether or not you need 5K
No, that's what you have decided. Other people are trying to decide whether 5k is worth the premium.

Plus, thanks to the history of the iMac, 5k is the "gold standard" for Mac displays - and the ~220ppi resolution of the 5k iMac/Studio Display - which plays a large part in how people perceive display quality - is a rough standard for all Apple displays. So it's the obvious basis for comparison,

Most people don't, so they ought to ignore the Studio Display and start comparing the M8 against the tons of other 4K options.
Sure, a massive round-up of 4k displays and how well they work with MacOS would be great. However, what would also be great is a more in-depth comparison of 4k and 5k screens in general - preferably with an emphasis on what they were like to use for various tasks rather than climbing up on the desk with a magnifying glass and hunting for pixels.

The M8 might not be the best 4k display on the market but it stands out because of the vaguely Mac-like styling and the bundled webcam, which will influence many Mac users looking for an iMac alternative.

You know, sometimes people like some help in deciding whether they need a pick-up truck or a sports convertible. They'll both take you to 90% of the same places.

There are LG and Dell 5K displays. It's definitely a less popular option.
Pretty sure the Dell is discontinued - and good luck finding an LG at the moment.

No one runs 5K 27” displays at 5K-sized resolution. The display double pixels to 2560x1440.
Let's just clarify what "doubling pixels" means here: "looks like 2560x1440" mode on a 5k 27" display is 5k resolution (~220ppi/"HiDPI"). Literal "pixel doubling" (i.e. showing a 2x2 block of pixels for each pixel in the source) only happens when running ancient pre-retina software that doesn't recognise 'HiDPI" mode or doesn't include bitmap assets for retina screens. Everything else is rendered at the full resolution of the screen. System fonts, icons, dialogues are displayed with twice the number of (linear) pixels to make them the same physical size that they would be on a 2560x1440p screen, but they contain far more detail.

In any application that lets you set a zoom, choose a font size etc. you can scale the actual content that you're working on and it will take full advantage of the sharpness of the 5k screen, giving you more "real estate*" than on a lower-res screen.

You need to jump through hoops to change the actual resolution (as of Mojave, option-click on 'scaled' in Display Preferences, and then check 'show low resolution modes'). Otherwise, you're just choosing between two types of scaling: 2:1, as above, or non-integer which works by rendering internally to twice the chosen "looks like" resolution and then re-sampling it to the native resolution of the screen - which is still a lot better than just stretching stuff to match the screen.

Likewise, on a 4k screen "looks like 1920x1080" is actually full 3840x2160 resolution with 2:1 scaling. You're not wasting your 4k screen by running it at 1080p. The snag is, 2:1 makes the UI elements a bit too big on a 27" or larger display, until you get to 32"+ where 1:1 starts to get usable.

(* The problem with the term "real estate" is that people act like it is some objective measure when in fact, it's a complex function of your preferred viewing distance, your eyesight, what software you are using and how you are using it.)
 
This kind of logic is so misleading as your eyes are much further away from a desktop display that an iPad or iPhone.

You don't get it.
- Retina displays for Mac already have lower PPI than the iPhone's displays. iPhone 13 has a 457 PPI display vs most Apple Mac displays which are around 220 PPI.
- For native macOS display scaling to work at 1:1, a computer display needs to have circa 220 PPI. This Samsung has 140 PPI.
 
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It's not useless because you can plug your computer into it and it will display an image. This sort of thing may be useful to those who use computers.

It is useless, because macOS only works well with PPI's of around 110 (1x) or 220 (2x). Anything in between (and this Samsung is right in between) means that macOS has to use UI scaling to show the UI at a normal size. Once you understand how macOS works, you will understand that this display is absolutely terrible for use with macOS.
 
Sorry if someone already mentioned this but correct me if I’m wrong the Apple display cannot be used as a dual OS monitor correct?? If I wanted to swap between work (windows) and personal (Mac) the Apple display only has one Thunderbolt input, right?
Please correct if I’m wrong. This is my biggest dislike about any current Apple monitor.
The Studio Display DOES work with a PC and Windows, as long as they have Thunderbolt 3 or 4.
 
I need to measure my distance. But my overall point is that 4k 32" isn't 'trash' and more importantly that retina isn't just PPI so some people saying 'I need 89k!!!' are just being spec whores.

Thing is, 4k 32" is right at the edge. 5K would be much better there. But 4k 27" is likely fine:

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No, 4k 27" is not retina (220 PPI). Your own calculation shows it to be 163 PPI, which is almost exactly as low as the original iPhone from 2007, which absolutely was *not* a Retina display.
 
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This kind of logic is so misleading as your eyes are much further away from a desktop display that an iPad or iPhone.

You don't get it.
- Retina displays for Mac already have lower PPI than the iPhone's displays. iPhone 13 has a 457 PPI display vs most Apple Mac displays which are around 220 PPI.

No, they get it, and they're right. Yes, the displays have lower PPI, but the perceived pixel density is similar. Apple didn't give Macs a lower PPI because they wanted to cheap out, but because, as @wyarp says, your Mac display is a lot further away from your eyes, so the PPI can be a lot lower and yet qualify as "retina".

As for 457 PPI, that's misleading. The 458 only applies to green; red and blue are 324.
 
No, they get it, and they're right. Yes, the displays have lower PPI, but the perceived pixel density is similar. Apple didn't give Macs a lower PPI because they wanted to cheap out, but because, as @wyarp says, your Mac display is a lot further away from your eyes, so the PPI can be a lot lower and yet qualify as "retina".

As for 457 PPI, that's misleading. The 458 only applies to green; red and blue are 324.

Yeah exactly. the Mac has lower PPI than an iPhone. 220 is already less than 457 or 324 - whichever of those numbers you want to use.

But that doesn't change the fact that 220 ≠ 138 - there is a world of difference is sharpness there. On top of that, macOS is not designed to work well at non-integer scaling, meaning that anything between circa 110 (1x) and 220 PPI (2x) means using scaling, which causes visible artefacts on text and other thin lines.
 
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