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If outside of America it won't come even with American LTE, I demand it be sold for less (pre tax).
 
Right, because ads showing you dancing around in your pajamas after asking Siri if it's raining outside while you stand next to a window where it's obviously raining, are so much better :) (Mind you, I love Zooey.)

I love zooey too but come on, at least in those commercials we're shown what siri can do in a practical situation. The dumb note commercials literally have people drawing stick figures and giggling like schoolgirls

People who say this usually never had a reason to use a pad and pencil beforehand either.

Not true.

That's fine, but it ignores the existing stylus market for iOS devices, and it doesn't speak for those of us who are used to jotting down a quick diagram. We're not artists; we're users and doers.

So show us that! Sounds like you think the stylus is beneficial, so why show us some lame dudes with tight white tshirts on drawing mustaches?

I think IDC is pretty reliable when talking about past events. They have an extensive info gathering network, and work with everything from supplier interviews to user surveys.

As you said, it's predicting the future where IDC, Gartner, et al are not so great. Two years ago they all predicted that right now Symbian and RIM would still be going great, and Windows Phone would have a big chunk of the market. Ooops.

Yep and i was just pointing out the dichotomy. I'm not silly enough to say Apple definitely outsold Samsung, because the truth is we just don't know. However, had it been idc who had said Samsung hadn't, the Android users here would be saying "idc is the same ones who said windows phone would be on top! They're not credible!"

Why not just call it how it is? No one knows who sold more (and that's cuz Samsung won't tell us how many they sold)
 
On the contrary...

The bigger screen is incredibly useful to me, and the device size is not a factor at all. The slim, curvy larger phones slide in and out of my pockets easier than the current thicker, blocky iPhone design.
Agreed. When I first picked up my SII, I wasn't sure how the bigger dimensions of the phone would affect me (answer: not noticeable at all). However, when I use my friends' iPhones, the screen feels tiny and cramped, even with the Retina Display. The Retina Display is pretty, but I'd gladly give it up for the bigger screen size of my phone.

In other news, I can't wait for the iPhone5 to come out. It'll be fun seeing people's reactions if it has a larger screen :p
 
Probably Microsoft. Wait what. Lol.

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Didnt Steve Jobs talk about how they didnt need to do market research on things because the people dont know what they want until he showed them?

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I am talking about the own research determining the best and most usable touchscreen form factor. Undoubtedly they tested 2" screens and 4+" screens. They didn't just randomly decide on 3.5 or rip it off from someone else.

I think people not knowing what they want is entirely applicable to some of the clamoring here about people wanting bigger screen sizes on phones.

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I don't see it either. If you don't like the 4.8" screen, Samsung can offer you 4.5" or 4.3" or 4" or 3.5" or even 5.3". Samsung can meet all your needs.

On contrary Apple decides what we need: big phone and small tablet are bad for you. Apple is using one size fits all approach to reduce production costs and maximize profits milking a consumer big time.

Imagine you can buy only one car size or only one underwear size: bra or briefs - take your pick :)

So they are going to offer the galaxy iiii in all those screen sizes? Otherwise you are talking nonsense as people are often being forced to accept whatever.

It is not like every Samsung phone is as full featured as the next. Yet the iPhones all are.


Again though apple actually put time into to choosing a screen size and Samsung literally just makes them up from a big random wheel of inches.
 
Agreed. When I first picked up my SII, I wasn't sure how the bigger dimensions of the phone would affect me (answer: not noticeable at all). However, when I use my friends' iPhones, the screen feels tiny and cramped, even with the Retina Display. The Retina Display is pretty, but I'd gladly give it up for the bigger screen size of my phone.

In other news, I can't wait for the iPhone5 to come out. It'll be fun seeing people's reactions if it has a larger screen :p

I would imagine the reaction would be the same it is now. Some will like it because they want a bigger screen, and some will hate it.

What are you expecting?
 
yaaaa I would agree with this. I'm gonna laugh when it has a 4.8" screen though and watch everyone eat their words in here about hating big screens

Apple will never have a 4.8" screen phone. First of all that would be a tablet.

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Dont buy all those crappy Apple products then.

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Every iphone has been outdated when they are released.

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This is why three year old iPhones continue to outsell the most popular android phones.
 
I would imagine the reaction would be the same it is now. Some will like it because they want a bigger screen, and some will hate it.

What are you expecting?


I think he's expecting the same thing as me. All the ones complaining about bigger screens and how it would look on the iPhone will be the first ones to say how great it looks and that apple was the first to har a screen this size and BLAH BLAH BLAH.



James
 
So show us that! Sounds like you think the stylus is beneficial, so why show us some lame dudes with tight white tshirts on drawing mustaches?

When the Note came out, Samsung had artists use the Note to draw caricatures of people who wanted them at various events. There's a bunch of pics on their Facebook pics.

And another one of their advertising campaigns utilized artists who would illustrate tweets for people.

If the S3's pen is anything like the Note's, then it will be pretty sweet IMO. The current batch of styli (for both iOS and Android...excluding the Note) don't have the precision and responsiveness that I'd like. (That being said, I think that that feature would be far better suited for a tablet).


I would imagine the reaction would be the same it is now. Some will like it because they want a bigger screen, and some will hate it.

What are you expecting?

Actually, I'm expecting a lot of posters to eat crow. Some people here are almost militant in their belief that Apple will not / should not produce a bigger screen as the 3.5" is perfect. I'd bet if Apple doesn't change the iPhone size too much but still offers a bigger screen, most of these naysayers will come to like the bigger screen after trying it for a while :)

A bigger screen is not a bad thing either: if Apple produces a larger screened iPhone, I'd seriously consider switching back to iOS. I'd bet others will too. :)
 
When the Note came out, Samsung had artists use the Note to draw caricatures of people who wanted them at various events. There's a bunch of pics on their Facebook pics.

And another one of their advertising campaigns utilized artists who would illustrate tweets for people.

If the S3's pen is anything like the Note's, then it will be pretty sweet IMO. The current batch of styli (for both iOS and Android...excluding the Note) don't have the precision and responsiveness that I'd like. (That being said, I think that that feature would be far better suited for a tablet).




Actually, I'm expecting a lot of posters to eat crow. Some people here are almost militant in their belief that Apple will not / should not produce a bigger screen as the 3.5" is perfect. I'd bet if Apple doesn't change the iPhone size too much but still offers a bigger screen, most of these naysayers will come to like the bigger screen after trying it for a while :)

A bigger screen is not a bad thing either: if Apple produces a larger screened iPhone, I'd seriously consider switching back to iOS. I'd bet others will too. :)

I agree a bigger screen won't be the end of the world, but i also think some people won't like it. It's just a preference of course. But i can pretty much guarantee the phone will not be 4.8 inches. Not because people won't like it, but because there's no reason at all for Apple to make the screen so ridiculously huge.
 
I love zooey too but come on, at least in those commercials we're shown what siri can do in a practical situation. The dumb note commercials literally have people drawing stick figures and giggling like schoolgirls

Tell me, where are the stick figures and giggling in this commercial :


"Is that rain ?", is she completely daft that she needs her phone to tell her that water dropping from the sky is rain ? A reminder to "clean up" ( I use reminders to remind me to call places, or pick up stuff from stores on my way back to work... but to "clean up" ? WTF, I can see the mess just fine).

That's why I hate discussing these things on this forum some times. It's always so "Apple does everything right!" and "Everyone else does everything wrong!" with never quite a grasp on the facts, even though the facts are just a search away on the Internet. We can prove you wrong at every turn, stop stating facts that you either don't know about or know to be plain wrong. It hurts your credibility.
 
Tell me, where are the stick figures and giggling in this commercial :

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I don't seem to see any here either :

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In fact, quite the contrary, both of these actually show using the Galaxy Note in a practical situation... Just like what... you're... asking them to do... ?

Am I confused here ? Are you just arguing without having a clue what you're arguing about ?

What's the practical situation here :

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"Is that rain ?", is she completely daft that she needs her phone to tell her that water dropping from the sky is rain ? A reminder to "clean up" ( I use reminders to remind me to call places, or pick up stuff from stores on my way back to work... but to "clean up" ? WTF, I can see the mess just fine).

That's why I hate discussing these things on this forum some times. It's always so "Apple does everything right!" and "Everyone else does everything wrong!" with never quite a grasp on the facts, even though the facts are just a search away on the Internet. We can prove you wrong at every turn, stop stating facts that you either don't know about or know to be plain wrong. It hurts your credibility.

Let's calm down, pal. It's an opinion that i have that the Apple ads are more effective at showing what the devices do then samsungs. I wasn't aware of the other ones you linked to, and yes those show more practical uses for the stylus.

And "we can prove you wrong?" Who's "we"? You can prove my opinion wrong? awesome ability...

Second, who are you to say what people need to set reminders for? Seriously? Am i confused here? Are you the prototype for human kind? If you don't need a reminder to clean up , no one else should? Think you're putting a little too much importance in your self worth there, buddy.

Thanks for pointing out the other commercials though. Next time take the chip off your shoulder when you do it, though.
 
Let's calm down, pal.

I am calm, but I am not your "pal". Are we going to go around in circles like you did for Samcraig ? Maybe you get emotional over Internet forums, "We" (me and Samcraig in this instance) don't.

And "we can prove you wrong?" Who's "we"? You can prove my opinion wrong? awesome ability...

We is me and other posters that don't have "Apple blinders" on. "Samsung only has commercials with stick figures and giggling" is not an opinion, it's a statement of fact. I can prove that wrong, so can a number of other people. This is the Internet. We have access to these little nagging things called facts.

Second, who are you to say what people need to set reminders for? Seriously? Am i confused here?

Who are you to say "drawing stick figures and giggling" is not useful ?

The goal posts, you move them. End of discussion for me.
 
I am calm, but I am not your "pal". Are we going to go around in circles like you did for Samcraig ? Maybe you get emotional over Internet forums, "We" (me and Samcraig in this instance) don't.



We is me and other posters that don't have "Apple blinders" on. "Samsung only has commercials with stick figures and giggling" is not an opinion, it's a statement of fact. I can prove that wrong, so can a number of other people. This is the Internet. We have access to these little nagging things called facts.



Who are you to say "drawing stick figures and giggling" is not useful ?

The goal posts, you move them. End of discussion for me.

Bye.
 
A two year contract on an iPhone has been proven to not be a risk at all. Android on the other hand offers you an experience with a 95% chance you will never see an os upgrade during your contract.

The problem with your assumption (not fact) is that there are an enormous amount of general users who never upgrade their phone. I work in IT - and a lot of our consultants who are cutting edge don't even upgrade their OS's 1/2 the time. So this "fact" is irrelevant unless you're talking about the tech savvy users. You need to keep remembering (something YOU often forget) is that your use case is not everyone else's.



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This is a key issue. These bigger screens don't provide that much tangible benefit as a viewing screen but have serious drawbacks for being a portable phone device. In other words the negatives outweigh the positives.

Pure ignorance. I have both the iPhone 4 and a Samsung Skyrocket. The usability, for ME, is far greater on the Skyrocket because the screen is bigger which means everything is easier to read and operate. I love my iPhone 4. It's great. I love the apps for it. But now - the screen looks and feels tiny. TINY. Not small. Not a little smaller. but TINY. Stop stating your opinion as facts. Bigger screens offer huge benefits. And I haven't lost one iota of portability. Fits in my pocket just as well.

Since apple invented the full touchscreen smartphone industry your post makes absolutely no sense. Apple clearly researched and tested and determined the 3.5" touchscreen was the best one for what the wanted to do. Your implication is the cellphone industry had spent twenty five years determining the proper screen size for a touch screen smartphone which is absurd.

They invented the full touchscreen smartphone industry? That's news to me. I have no doubt Apple researched the hell out of sizes. But guess what - things change. People's attitudes and expectations change. Stop living in 2007 and before. The world is different. Phones started off HUGE - got TINY and now are getting larger. Digital Cameras were large then got tiny and now are getting larger.

If you think Apple will never increase its screen size on its smart phone - I believe you are naive... or stubborn. Or both. And frankly - if you're right - it will definitely decrease the iPhone's popularity over time.
 
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I don't see it either. If you don't like the 4.8" screen, Samsung can offer you 4.5" or 4.3" or 4" or 3.5" or even 5.3". Samsung can meet all your needs.
So they are going to offer the galaxy iiii in all those screen sizes? Otherwise you are talking nonsense as people are often being forced to accept whatever.
You talking nonsense. Currently Samsung sells smart phones in 3.2"-5.3" size range. I did not say all of them called 'Galaxy'.

It is not like every Samsung phone is as full featured as the next. Yet the iPhones all are.

You talking nonsense again. What's so "full featured" about iPhone since it lacks LTE, NFC, OLED, Gorilla glass, quadcore, FM radio, removable battery, removable storage? It's just very basic small phone. It looks stylish but that's about it.
 
I think he's expecting the same thing as me. All the ones complaining about bigger screens and how it would look on the iPhone will be the first ones to say how great it looks and that apple was the first to har a screen this size and BLAH BLAH BLAH.



James

I feel like this is ridiculous. Yea there are iPhone fanboys and they're probably the loudest ones here but it's not like the entire forum is filled with ppl who think apple invented God before God created the earth.

I feel like if someone here does like a bigger iPhone if it's released (even if that person never voiced an opinion on screen size) the Android fanboys are waiting to pounce on them the minute they say they like it. So juvenile.

The Android users here eat crow quarterly. They get three months to talk about apple failing and then shutup for several days after the earnings call. Rinse. Repeat.

The "apple will fall soon" crowd is starting to make noise again, since we're a few weeks removed from the past quarters earnings call lol. Sad.
 
Yep and i was just pointing out the dichotomy. I'm not silly enough to say Apple definitely outsold Samsung, because the truth is we just don't know.

The majority of phones sold by Samsung isn't the top-tier Galaxy but cheaper Androids and presumably Wave phones. Samsung themselves said they only sold 20 million Galaxy S2 in 10 months and 5 million Galaxy Notes in 5 months. Even combined, that's much less than the number of iPhones sold in each of past two quarters.

This is a misconception often found in the discussions. Samsung might be the best selling phone maker in the world but Galaxy isn't the best selling smartphone in the world even though from reading the articles one might get a false sense that it is. From what we can see based on Samsung's report, the majority of phones sold by Samsung isn't Galaxy but cheaper smartphones.

If you ever wonder why Apple earns so much money from phones than others, this is the simple answer. iPhone buyers tend to go for the latest high end versions whereas buyers of other brands go for cheaper/older products.
 
I feel like this is ridiculous. Yea there are iPhone fanboys and they're probably the loudest ones here but it's not like the entire forum is filled with ppl who think apple invented God before God created the earth.

I feel like if someone here does like a bigger iPhone if it's released (even if that person never voiced an opinion on screen size) the Android fanboys are waiting to pounce on them the minute they say they like it. So juvenile.

The Android users here eat crow quarterly. They get three months to talk about apple failing and then shutup for several days after the earnings call. Rinse. Repeat.

The "apple will fall soon" crowd is starting to make noise again, since we're a few weeks removed from the past quarters earnings call lol. Sad.

Rinse. Repeat. Voonyxy - is that you?

People will criticize the most ardent apple fans here if they enjoy having a larger phone if they are the same ardent apple fans who insist that anything bigger than 3.5 is ridiculous/too big/against apple's plan/etc.

It's the same when ardent apple fans insisted the iPad didn't need a camera front OR back. And that it wouldn't work. No one would be using it. No one would/could hold the ipad to conduct facetime, Apple would never do it, etc. And then Apple did. And these ardent fans praised the front/back camera.

I believe it's human nature on forums to point out when someone is a hypocrite and when someone states opinions as facts and then is wrong.

It's not an Apple thing. Android thing, Google thing, etc. It's forum 101.
 
Rinse. Repeat. Voonyxy - is that you?

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People will criticize the most ardent apple fans here if they enjoy having a larger phone if they are the same ardent apple fans who insist that anything bigger than 3.5 is ridiculous/too big/against apple's plan/etc.

And they should. My point is there's not that many "ardent" fans here. Android users act as if iPhone users are not allowed to like a bigger screen! Juvenile.

It's the same when ardent apple fans insisted the iPad didn't need a camera front OR back. And that it wouldn't work. No one would be using it. No one would/could hold the ipad to conduct facetime, Apple would never do it, etc. And then Apple did. And these ardent fans praised the front/back camera.

How many ardent fans? One? Two? Two million? Seriously, like i said, you act as if everyone on this forum is a Apple sheep. Is ridiculous and again makes you look juvenile.

I believe it's human nature on forums to point out when someone is a hypocrite and when someone states opinions as facts and then is wrong.

It's not an Apple thing. Android thing, Google thing, etc. It's forum 101.

Yes it is. It's children nature to think an entire forum is one way because of the actions of a few.
 
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And they should. My point is there's not that many "ardent" fans here. Android users act as if iPhone users are not allowed to like a bigger screen! Juvenile.



How many ardent fans? One? Two? Two million? Seriously, like i said, you act as if everyone on this forum is a Apple sheep. Is ridiculous and again makes you look juvenile.



Yes it is. It's children nature to think an entire forum is one way because of the actions of a few.

You are tiresome. I don't act as if everyone on this forum thinks one way or another. Perhaps you're projecting. You certainly seem to think Android fans think a certain way - as if they are a collective.

I know you meant that last comment as a dig/insult to me and others. You can try to bait/incite me but I simply don't care enough of your opinion of me, personally for it to raise my temperature gauge. You like to think people on this forum are "angry" just because they disagree with you. I hope you realize that simplistic thinking like that lacks maturity.

Have a wonderful day, reedmartin/voonyxy
 
You are tiresome. I don't act as if everyone on this forum thinks one way or another. Perhaps you're projecting. You certainly seem to think Android fans think a certain way - as if they are a collective.

I know you meant that last comment as a dig/insult to me and others. You can try to bait/incite me but I simply don't care enough of your opinion of me, personally for it to raise my temperature gauge. You like to think people on this forum are "angry" just because they disagree with you. I hope you realize that simplistic thinking like that lacks maturity.

Have a wonderful day, reedmartin/voonyxy

Goodbye samcraig/knightwrx! :D
 
You are putting too much stock in hardware specs. In the areas that count iPhones hold up much better over time than any android phone. It is not even close. A two year contract on an iPhone has been proven to not be a risk at all. Android on the other hand offers you an experience with a 95% chance you will never see an os upgrade during your contract.

Point blank there are at least three or four things more important to a smartphone maintaining a high level of usability before you get to hardware specs and none of those favor most android handsets.

As pointed out multiple times before. Unlike iOS you do not need to have your OS upgraded on Android to get functionality increase. Most of the parts of the phone are separate from the OS.
Email client is updated from the market, Gmail upgraded from the market, Maps upgraded from the market, voice controls upgraded from the market ect. None of that stuff is linked to the OS at all and does not require an update for it to matter.

iOS on the other hand you require an OS update to get basic funtionallity increases like notification. Something people have been bitching about since iOS 1.0. It only took Apple 4 years to get that one right. Or updating the Map part of the OS. Yet another item that should not be tied to the OS. Voice controls yet again should not directly tie to the OS.

Remember that key fact before you go on the OS attack. Android phone do not require OS updates for basic funtionality increase. Most of the updates effect developers only. They have little effect on the end user.
 
Are you the guy that downrated my post without replying to it, lol? :) I call bs. :) Tell me what they copied one by one, I 've given a seven point list (and a pretty much indisputable one) of what safari has ripped off of others... what exactly did others copy off apple in smart phones? I challenge you, since apple is the one here claiming that they 've been ripped off, and doing so repeatedly, to the point of actually making people believe they are such a huge innovator and others are simply the copycats, to come up with a list that is larger than what apple has copied themselves in safari.

At some point we have to talk with facts, not just generalities repeated to the point of boredom, and coming out as memes out of the propaganda/marketing dept of apple so they can constantly claim they are originators of ideas and others mere copycats and overprice their products because of this.

I also challenge you to come up with something from the safari interface that apple has NOT copied from others.

edit: the challenge is open to any of you boys here, not just faro6.
edit2: to the compulsive downraters here, for both my posts, just measure yourself up here against what I am saying, and put forth your arguments. I am sure you don't like what my posts say, we are in a apple forum, you 've paid rip off prices for your devices, you are attached to them some of you, you might think if apple isn't the next best thing to sliced bread, if they are not the innovators they've been branding themselves for me to think they are, someone might have ripped me of here as others are selling more cheaply so I better down rate this guy...but downrating me isn't going to get you your money back, nor is it going prove a point other than you don't like what I say, but you can't refute what I am saying here with evidence and arguments. The more downrates I get without replies, the more convinced others reading here who are not so into apple will be that you really don't have any convincing case to make here.

Dude, you actually care about downrates? I didn't downrate your post by the way because it's kind of pointless to do that.

Alright let's see: The entire user experience. Name one smartphone that came before the iPhone that actually has music-playing capabilities (by that I mean a jukebox like iTunes, not some cheap file browser with a media player), an app store that allows 3rd party developers to contribute, wifi, a 100% touchscreen interface, and an app-centered GUI (as opposed to a set of menus).

None of the smartphones before the iPhone were like that. Example:
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And then once Apple made the iPhone, everyone just "happened" to make devices with the same kind of user experience.

Oh, and the iPhone is cheaper than a similar Android device if you take into account the value of the phone after 2 years (when the contract ends). Used Droids are cheap online, but a use iPhone costs more than a new one because the new ones come with a contract. I've calculated that the profit you make on the iPhone pretty much pays for the data plan (not voice or text) for 2 years. Oh, and you end up with a better phone too :)
 
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