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LOL...this site is still using the "you won't notice the difference in actual use" for the SoC performance difference between Apple and its competitors. Any time you see that in a review, you know it's not a serious comparison of the technology. Why should anyone think the differences in the cameras or the screen or charging is significant if the SoC differences can be glossed over so casually?
 
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It's half the reason the s10 with the less powerful CPU is able to beat the XS in speed tests.

Generally curious, do you think the average consumer cares about a speed test? Or do they care about the fluidity as I mentioned with iOS, security, ecosystem, etc. The only people that care about ‘speed tests’ are tech users, average consumers don’t even know what a speed test even is, let alone what type of processors is in their phone.
 
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Generally curious, do you think the average consumer cares about a speed test? Or do they care about the fluidity as I mentioned with iOS, security, ecosystem, etc. The only people that care about ‘speed tests’ are tech users, average consumers don’t even know what a speed test even is, let alone what type of processors is in their phone.
It's subjective, many people love the slick animations in ios and don't really care if it's a little slower. Personally I'll take function over form any day.
 
You are right ios is more fluid due to the animations Apple uses, the problem is those very animations slow down general navigation, it looks pretty but is more form over function. Android is more clinical and dare I say snappy. It's half the reason the s10 with the less powerful CPU is able to beat the XS in speed tests. It's all personal preference as the super slick animations make the iPhone feel really nice to use but I prefer the speed of Android.

I think you’re right here. I noticed it last night when someone posted some speed test. It’s all about the animations, but that’s kind of what I like about iOS. For me, iOS feels a little more fun and Android a little more robotic, if that makes sense. If you turn off the animations on iOS, it takes something away.
 
So why does Apple block Bluetooth on the HomePod? Apple's vision is a future using Apple AirPlay, Apple Music, or an Apple dongle.

The headphone jack is used for many accessories other than just headphones BTW. But those accessories don't need to pay Apple a fee.

You don’t need to pay Apple a fee to make a pair of wireless headphones either.

I have no answer for why the HomePod doesn’t allow Bluetooth. My guess is that the product is geared towards iPhone users subscribed to Apple Music, so they figured that you were going to use airplay anyways. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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You are right ios is more fluid due to the animations Apple uses, the problem is those very animations slow down general navigation, it looks pretty but is more form over function. Android is more clinical and dare I say snappy. It's half the reason the s10 with the less powerful CPU is able to beat the XS in speed tests. It's all personal preference as the super slick animations make the iPhone feel really nice to use but I prefer the speed of Android.
Where are these "speed tests"?
 
LOL...this site is still using the "you won't notice the difference in actual use" for the SoC performance difference between Apple and its competitors. Any time you see that in a review, you know it's not a serious comparison of the technology. Why should anyone think the differences in the cameras or the screen or charging is significant if the SoC differences can be glossed over so casually?

Because smartphones are not using the full potential of current CPUs.
 
I like diversity but for me personally I can't go back to Android unless it was a pure Android experience. I enjoy Apple's products because of iOS and the updates lasting many years, and I'm not talking security updates. My only complaint is Apple needs to be more innovative but since they're not I don't have to shell out over $1k for a new phone every year.
I hear people regularly say they want the pure Android experience. What do you think this gives one? What problems can one get?
 
I think you’re right here. I noticed it last night when someone posted some speed test. It’s all about the animations, but that’s kind of what I like about iOS. For me, iOS feels a little more fun and Android a little more robotic, if that makes sense. If you turn off the animations on iOS, it takes something away.

Exactly it's subjective, and the iPhone feels nicer to navigate, i can admit it.
 
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I have to ask, but do you own an iPhone or have ever used one? Now I understand that android has its appeal, and it’s more customizable, but in terms of fluidity, it’s undeniable how much more fluid iOS is over android. I’m not saying that Android is a stuttering mess, but it’s fairly notable how much more smooth and transitioned iOS is over android in terms of just it’s navigation. But I digress, I’m not saying iOS is the best operating system because that’s all I use, I’m saying iOS is the best, because Apples intention has always meant to keep it simplistic, linear and very fluid that it’s substantially noticeable when using that compared to android.
I’m still having my iPhone 6s. But this will be my last iPhone. Not that I don’t like it, but apple’s closed eco is more of an handicap to me than a positive. I’ve played many times with my friends phone and I’ve come to the conclusion that the gap between iOS and Android isn’t there anymore.

I’m not talking about cheap androids but the middle range are offering the same possibilities as more expensive iPhones for me. Together with expensive cables on Apple’s part and services that aren’t launched over here or aren’t up to par with services from other companies. Almost useless Siri and maps not giving me any cycling routes or opportunities (which I do a lot).

I want something that works for me and not feeling trapped and handicapped. If all those services what makes Apple more expensive might have worked, I didn’t mind paying a bit more. But the gap is getting too big for too long. New androids are working as fluid as iOS. They also have more in common by the day. Apple forces me to pull the plug, not the other way around. In the end it’s value for money for me. Something Apple isn’t offering FOR ME anymore under Cook.

Yes, I’m still hoping and trying to believe those promises. But after years of promises and not delivering, I’m out.

To get back on the fluidity thing. Today’s Androids are as fluid as an iPhone.
 
The amount of security is questionable also. Because every time there are more security risks found on iOS than there are found for Android. In the end it comes what the user is using and since most iPhone users have google, Facebook and other social media services that rely on user data installed, it doesn’t matter.
"Security" is a moot point. Any company with a modicum of sense allows both Android and iOS devices, as they invariably use an additional layer to ensure their security policies are enforced.

Malicious apps were found both in Android and iOS stores, as were various user data siphons, so there is no clear advantage to either, regardless of how many billboards Apple puts up to the contrary.
 
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Exactly it's subjective, and the iPhone feels nicer to navigate, i can admit it.

It is very subjective - for me Android 9 on the Huawei Mate 20 Pro is much nicer to navigate compared to the iPhone X, especially the Widgets are a very welcome plus on Androids side.
Many apps show more functionality on Android - you can buy audiobooks on audible and you can use Google Pay with Paypal, you can use NFC with many android apps ...
 
"Security" is a moot point. Any company with a modicum of sense allows both Android and iOS devices, as they invariably use an additional layer to ensure their security policies are enforced.

Malicious apps were found both in Android and iOS stores, as were various user data siphons, so there is no clear advantage to either, regardless of how many billboards Apple puts up to the contrary.
Apple is trying to use it as a selling point because they haven’t got much left to defend the high prices of the iPhones. That bothers me because it’s not true.
 
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Everyone was making fun of Samsung phones for having a 'chin', but damn! That screen makes Xs Max look like two years ago technology!
 
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You don’t need to pay Apple a fee to make a pair of wireless headphones either.

I have no answer for why the HomePod doesn’t allow Bluetooth. My guess is that the product is geared towards iPhone users subscribed to Apple Music, so they figured that you were going to use airplay anyways. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Probably also the reason for their bad sales because it’s limiting your freedom.
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Everyone was making fun of Samsung phones for having a 'chin', but damn! That screen makes Xs Max look like two years ago technology!
Samsung had better screens with less bezels for years and because they’re developing those screens Apple won’t ever win on screens. Same with memory and cameras.
 
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Please enlighten me. What ecosystem are you talking about? On top of the excessive prices, their half baked crippled services are an handicap and pushing me away.
I’m pleased with Apple. Two iPhones, two iPads, great service always and everything is there for our needs. Is the experience going to be the same for all? No, but for our family Apple checks all the boxes. Sorry about your experience. Hopefully whatever you choose in the future works for you.

 
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The benefit is it forces us to move to a far more convenient system -- wireless headphones. For the average user the amazing convenience of wireless headphones far outweighs the loss in sound quality.
? What you write doesn't make sense at all.
If it's a far more convenient system why do we need to be forced to used it?
 
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I’m pleased with Apple. Two iPhones, two iPads, great service always and everything is there for our needs. Is the experience going to be the same for all? No, but for our family Apple checks all the boxes. Sorry about your experience. Hopefully whatever you choose in the future works for you.

Thank you. You probably live in the USA. I’m looking around and when I’m in need of a new device I’ll consider the options. Value for money and not a closed system becomes high priority for me. I’ve paid that price too often with Apple.
 
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You are correct about the display components. Mainly because Apple buys most of their displays from Samsung. I have family members with both Samsung phones and iphones. I have replaced dozens of iPhone screens for friends and family beginning with the iPhone 3G yet I have not had one Samsung user bring me a shattered screen to fix.
You're thinking of the actual screen. No idea who makes the digitizer for either OEM. The glass itself is made by Corning here in the US. If you're replacing all three on Apple products more frequently, then that's poor development and spec requests on Apple's part.
 
Think of how by removing flash, Apple helped push HTML5 and promote native apps optimised for touch and direct input.
Irrelevant. In the end Flash was replace by something better and more secure. So Apple's help was not needed at all.
The Headphone Jack(a hardware port) wasn't replaced by anything at all and in any way, it was just removed. The End.

If I go and buy a phone with a headphone jack I can still use any type of headphones I want. Or you would disagree?
 
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Thank you. You probably live in the USA. I’m looking around and when I’m in need of a new device I’ll consider the options. Value for money and not a closed system becomes high priority for me. I’ve paid that price too often with Apple.
Yes, in the US. I hear you. I’m sure whatever you eventually choose will work great for you.
 
Irrelevant. In the end Flash was replace by something better and more secure.
The Headphone Jack wasn't replaced by anything at all and in any way, it was just removed. The End.
Not to mention HTML5 isn't exactly less processor intensive. Play a complex HTML5 game and you can watch your processor and memory use rise over time.
 
The benefit is it forces us to move to a far more convenient system -- wireless headphones. For the average user the amazing convenience of wireless headphones far outweighs the loss in sound quality.
That’s the problem with Apple these days, they force you to go a certain direction without giving you the benefits. Removing ports because it can sell expensive dongles. Closed systems because you’re only able to use their paid services.

If those services were great in the first place, they don’t have to trap you in. Greed will be their downfall.
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Yes, in the US. I hear you. I’m sure whatever you eventually choose will work great for you.
Thanks, we will both be happy :D
 
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