Samsung's New Galaxy S10+ vs. Apple's iPhone XS Max

[nviz22]

Touch Mac OS X would kill iPad range and or will be prohibitively expensive. Microsoft OS has done clean integration of touch interface without making it as a big deal. Whereas Mac OS X would make song and dance of it to charge another $1000 more which no one would be interested in a product line that is failing in the portfolio.

Apple has to reinvent itself by challenging their whole execution by optimising their costs that must reflected where any increase in price must be completely unavoidable. Hereafter any random price increases won't be greeted with more sales...

Well, aren’t they looking to integrate iOS and OS X together? If it’s one unified OS, they could possibly be able to sell multiple form factors.

At some point, product lines die out. Chromebook 2 in 1s use Android apps and can be quite light. They make owning a tablet redundant if the portability is there.

I remember Microsoft might try a Surface Phone. I think a small display with x86 wouldn’t make much sense. But now? We have folding screens that could propel a Surface Phone into a reality. That could really hurt individual phones because they don’t have the form factor to compete with a hybrid model. But all of that is in theory, so I’ll wait to see how tech evolves before getting behind the folding screen bandwagon.

 

[ROGmaster]

I’m not sure what you mean.

Of course your not. What a surprise.

You asked why people on here think that Apple makes the best displays?

No I didn't, don't put words in my mouth.
I asked why would anybody disagree with the fact that Samsung makes the best smartphone OLED screens.

 

[mrochester]

Outstanding post. Succinct and precise, and that’s exactly what android is, a significant downgrade from iOS in almost every single facet. It’s Not about the hardware anymore, as competitors are equally alike with their standards, it’s all about the software experience moving forward, and that is why iOS is so dominant and will continue to dominate.

Apple and anyone with an ounce of common sense understood this in January 2007. It's why Apple won the smartphone market.

 

[DNichter]

Of course your not. What a surprise.

No I didn't, don't put word in my mouth.
I asked why would anybody disagree with the fact that Samsung makes the best smartphone OLED screens.

I know I’ve been an ass to you on here (assuming that’s the reason for the combative responses) and I apologize for that. It’s a waste of energy from both of us, in my opinion, and I don’t want to take the same approach moving forward.

Correct, that’s how you worded it. You’re right though and I’ve been agreeing with you the whole time, Samsung absolutely makes the best smartphone OLED screens. People have looked to the Apple calibration as a reason to disagree, but that doesn’t take away from everything Samsung contributed to the display as well.

 

[Khedron]

Samsung has amazing hardware chops, but there's just no way I'm downgrading to Android from iOS.

When I buy a smartphone I expect excellent hardware AND software, hence I buy iPhone.

Apple make some amazing accessories like the Watch and AirPods, but there's just no way I'm downgrading to iOS from Android.

When I buy a product I expect it to serve my needs, not for me to sacrifice my needs to Apple's vision.

 

[9081094]

I bought my first Apple product last year, an iPad, and so have had a year to compare it to my Android OS devices and it's almost childish in its lack of features and optimisation. Simple things are done badly, like folders and freeing up space, where you have to uninstall an app rather than select individual files and folders. Having to have a 5 by 4 display is ludicrous and dated. It's as though the software was designed to be used by primary school kids. I shan't be buying an iPhone until I suffer from dementia.

I understand you and while most Apple devotees here are thinking all things Apple does is superior, it’s a hard sell for anyone else new to the platform and used to Android for mobile or windows for computers. This ain’t 2007 anymore and the world beyond Apple has changed for the better.

Many people still think the other world is clunky and assume it still is.

 

[mi7chy]

The smartest move of the Galaxy S10 series is adding reverse wireless charging into the phone. This simple convenience addition will guarantee sale of phone + watch + earbuds ecosystem. Apple needs to copy this for the iPhone.

 

[44267547]

You stated that no agency would use Samsung as it's not secure. I disproved that.

Dave, you’re spreading misinformation. Firstly, I never stated ‘no’ agency, I stated the agency I work for.....you need to take your time when reading these posts or in the least, go back and re-read them. Second, I never said “Samsung” is insecure, I explicitly stated ‘Android’ is insecure, but for reference, here is what I did say:

Android doesn’t deliver here, nor would the agency I work for even consider android in that respect.

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Do you not think the Home Office has stringent standards what with sensitive and restricted information being sent to these devices?

I’m disinterested what standards are adhered to in the U.K, again as I stated:

I’m not attesting to that specific OS, however, I can say indefinitely, iOS will _always_ be the chosen source for security .

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but don't go spreading nonsense that Samsung Knox is insecure.

Again, more misconstrued posts on your behalf because you’re not reading thoroughly enough. I never mentioned ‘Samsung Knox’ was insecure, Nor did I even bring up Samsung Knox in this discussion , I stated android is insecure. These are two different things we are discussing that your conflating. Please, if you’re going to respond to my post, at least provide some accuracy in the conversation, because a lot of what you pointed out is blatantly inaccurate.

Again, as a reference for you to re-read:

I’m not attesting to that specific OS, however, I can say indefinitely, iOS will _always_ be the chosen source for security .

 

[DNichter]

Apple make some amazing accessories like the Watch and AirPods, but there's just no way I'm downgrading to iOS from Android.

When I buy a product I expect it to serve my needs, not for me to sacrifice my needs to Apple's vision.

I know it’s a preference to all of us and both platforms are very good in my eyes, but is Apple’s vision (iOS) really that bad of a OS in your eyes? I get wanting things to work certain ways and be able to do certain things with their products, but I don’t necessarily look at Android as some major downgrade, just a different approach to achieving the same things.

 

[9081094]

I know I’ve been an ass to you on here (assuming that’s the reason for the combative responses) and I apologize for that. It’s a waste of energy from both of us, in my opinion, and I don’t want to take the same approach moving forward.

Correct, that’s how you worded it. You’re right though and I’ve been agreeing with you the whole time, Samsung absolutely makes the best smartphone OLED screens. People have looked to the Apple calibration as a reason to disagree, but that doesn’t take away from everything Samsung contributed to the display as well.

Well that’s a nice and correct respond you’ve made to ROGmaster. People forget that when people are criticizing Apple over here, they’re mostly concerned with what Apple is doing lately. And ROGmaster is absolutely correct that Samsung is making the best OLED-screens for mobile devices at the moment.

The only thing Apple develops in house at the iPhone is the processor. Other parts of the iPhone are from other companies and are free to buy to any other phone maker. That’s why it doesn’t take long before competition comes with the same or better when Apple comes out with new gear.

 

[DNichter]

The smartest move of the Galaxy S10 series is adding reverse wireless charging into the phone. This simple convenience addition will guarantee sale of phone + watch + earbuds ecosystem. Apple needs to copy this for the iPhone.

I believe it was rumored to be coming to the iPhone a month or so ago. I agree, I won’t use it often, but it’s a cool feature and definitely needed when it comes to wearables.

 

[44267547]

Apple and anyone with an ounce of common sense understood this in January 2007. It's why Apple won the smartphone market.

Right, and moving forward, look at the importance of iOS in the smart phone market. It’s not even about the hardware standards anymore, it used to be years back, and as much as we want to see hardware advance, it’s not about that being a priority anymore. It’s all about the software that needs to make the experience exceptional for the user, that’s why iOS has such a strong, loyal following. And it will continue to do that, as long as Apple continues to execute what they have always been good at, [fluidity, simplicity and security].

 

[DNichter]

Well that’s a nice and correct respond you’ve made to ROGmaster. People forget that when people are criticizing Apple over here, they’re mostly concerned with what Apple is doing lately. And ROGmaster is absolutely correct that Samsung is making the best OLED-screens for mobile devices at the moment.

The only thing Apple develops in house at the iPhone is the processor. Other parts of the iPhone are from other companies and are free to buy to any other phone maker. That’s why it doesn’t take long before competition comes with the same or better when Apple comes out with new gear.

Trying to change my approach on these forums (hopefully to benefit the overall tone of the conversation on here). I enjoy tech and need to keep a more open mind. Yup, that makes sense. I know they want to take more development of critical parts in house in the future. This way they can avoid some of that and give themselves a competitive advantage. Even so, Apple does create a really nice cohesive product when incorporating available hardware and their own software. Android does the same thing very well too.

 

[9081094]

Best payment system is samsung? seriously? Best display samsung? Really?

Yep, Samsung has the best OLED mobile displays in business for now. Until LG starts evolving their OLED displays for mobile. Apple doesn’t produce anything. All it does is using components from other businesses.

The A12 is developed by Apple under license from ARM. Camera is Sony, etc.
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When iPhone XS/Max was released it was rated to be the best display on the market.

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhoneXS_ShootOut_1s.htm

You people are not even trying.

And what display Apple is using? Ah right, a Samsung display. They only wrote a bit of code for calibration.

 

[I7guy]

Yep, Samsung has the best OLED mobile displays in business for now. Until LG starts evolving their OLED displays for mobile. Apple doesn’t produce anything. All it does is using components from other businesses.

The A12 is developed by Apple under license from ARM. Camera is Sony, etc.

That’s what they’ve been doing for years. Hard to believe they can pull in $84B a quarter given they have no proprietary intellectual property.

 

[9081094]

The smartest move of the Galaxy S10 series is adding reverse wireless charging into the phone. This simple convenience addition will guarantee sale of phone + watch + earbuds ecosystem. Apple needs to copy this for the iPhone.

They won’t because it will steal sales=profits from the famous AirPower pads when it ever sees the light of day.
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That’s what they’ve been doing for years. Hard to believe they can pull in $84B a quarter given they have no proprietary intellectual property.

And that’s why some of us are complaining about the prices because competitors are using those same but better parts and selling their phones for less. So we can all agree we are victims of the Apple tax seeing Apple making that excessive amount of profits at the expense of customers.
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I know it’s a preference to all of us and both platforms are very good in my eyes, but is Apple’s vision (iOS) really that bad of a OS in your eyes? I get wanting things to work certain ways and be able to do certain things with their products, but I don’t necessarily look at Android as some major downgrade, just a different approach to achieving the same things.

iOS and Android are very similar these days. Where as Android gives you more freedom and offers better services. Every iPhone user can work with Android, where Android users trying the iphone most feel restricted.

 

[Khedron]

I know it’s a preference to all of us and both platforms are very good in my eyes, but is Apple’s vision (iOS) really that bad of a OS in your eyes? I get wanting things to work certain ways and be able to do certain things with their products, but I don’t necessarily look at Android as some major downgrade, just a different approach to achieving the same things.

iOS and the devices that use it are fatally crippled for me.

Want to multitask? Impossible. Apple wants to save money on RAM.

Want a device like an iPad or HomePod to have multiple users? Impossible.

Expandable storage? Nope. Pay Apple for iCloud or get absolutely gouged on internal storage.

Want to use the NFC chip you paid for to put credit on your travel card? Too bad, Apple locked it down for Apple Pay use only.

Second SIM? Only just now available in China, everyone else can be ripped off by the eSIM companies Apple wants to make deals with.

When I started using Apple products you paid a premium for a better experience. Now they want a bigger premium for a worse experience. It was easy to walk away but I hope they change.

 

[DNichter]

They won’t because it will steal sales=profits from the famous AirPower pads when it ever sees the light of day.
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And that’s why some of us are complaining about the prices because competitors are using those same but better parts and selling their phones for less. So we can all agree we are victims of the Apple tax seeing Apple making that excessive amount of profits at the expense of customers.
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iOS and Android are very similar these days. Where as Android gives you more freedom and offers better services. Every iPhone user can work with Android, where Android users trying the iphone most feel restricted.

I can understand feeling restricted to some degree. I know I have wanted some things Android phones have had on the platform. Even so, the overall package works really well and there are some aspects of iOS that makes it a better fit for myself. I don’t think there is a wrong choice when it comes to a platform choice today. To your above point, I see where you are coming from. I think some of the costs are way too high and I think Apple will need to adjust in order to keep customers coming back, as they have for years. The competition is closer or better in a lot of ways. That doesn’t mean that Apple doesn’t make a great product though and I certainly don’t feel any need to make a change.

 

[9081094]

Maybe it’s me. I have noted previously that I am in a position where Apple’s focuses have been in line with my own computing needs. My iPhone works great for me. I love my Apple Watch and my airpods which I got from day 1. I have been using my ipad in the classroom since 2012, and have come to love working on iOS over macOS (except when the OS doesn’t support it; and even that gets lesser and lesser over time). My MBA is now collecting dust in my drawer as my work-issued HP Elite has become thin and light enough for me to bring it to and from work.

It has become very clear to me that your assumptions are from the past. When you’re happy with your Apple gear, that’s fine for me. If you prefer iPads in the class that’s nice if your school has the money for it. But there are much better and cheaper alternatives around these days and it’s not fair to bash them only based on assumptions from the past.

 

[DNichter]

iOS and the devices that use it are fatally crippled for me.

Want to multitask? Impossible. Apple wants to save money on RAM.

Want a device like an iPad or HomePod to have multiple users? Impossible.

Expandable storage? Nope. Pay Apple for iCloud or get absolutely gouged on internal storage.

Want to use the NFC chip you paid for to put credit on your travel card? Too bad, Apple locked it down for Apple Pay use only.

Second SIM? Only just now available in China, everyone else can be ripped off by the eSIM companies Apple wants to make deals with.

When I started using Apple products you paid a premium for a better experience. Now they want a bigger premium for a worse experience. It was easy to walk away but I hope they change.

All fair points. Everybody is different and values different things in their purchases. It’s nice that Android gives you that choice though. For myself, I use my iPad Pro to multitask, I am comfortable with one account on my HomePod in a household of two, I use iCloud for everything, I love Apple Pay, and I don’t need second SIM. To each their own, ya know?

 

[9081094]

Apple doesnt sell your data... discussion is over, you just lost, bye

Wrong, Apple is indirectly selling my data to Google by letting google pay billions and billions to make their search engine the default in iOS to collect my surfing and searching behavior.

Who’s the fool now?
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Bullocks, I only see (mostly) iPhones.

I don’t know where you come from but there are other countries in the world too you know... in my country Samsung has taken over the business crown from Apple.

 

[Tiger8]

Probably also the reason for their bad sales because it’s limiting your freedom.
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Samsung had better screens with less bezels for years and because they’re developing those screens Apple won’t ever win on screens. Same with memory and cameras.

Hate to admit it, but you are right! When I meet with the extended family, the galaxy pictures look incredible! Yes a bit over saturated and what not, but for the casual observer, they look so vivid and real

 

[9081094]

Yea that’s possible, but again, I don’t really see these numbers as any indication that the other (Samsung or Apple) is a worse display. The differences are so small that I don’t think it matters. These display ratings are more just to feed egos in my eyes. It’s pointless.

We are almost there Same holds up for real world speed, cameras and software. Can you imagine that it’s becoming a hard sell for Apple when their phones are almost twice as expensive in some parts of the world when what they’ve to offer are almost the same? I believe the new Galaxy S10 is similar priced in the USA as the iPhone XS and that’s how it should be. In other parts of the world you can buy two comparable phones for the price of an iPhone XS, that’s a problem.

 

[GuruZac]

I prefer the iPhone design language, prefer Face ID, prefer iOS, prefer timely software updates, and prefer security. But the S10 is nice.

 

[LordVic]

Hate to admit it, but you are right! When I meet with the extended family, the galaxy pictures look incredible! Yes a bit over saturated and what not, but for the casual observer, they look so vivid and real

its very interesting. Marquee Brownlee recently did a blind smart phone shootout via bracket.

the usual suspects lost. What people in blind test tended to favour were brighter and more saturated photos. even to the point of being inaccurate. It's really interesting to see that colour accuracy for photography is not necessarily the most important thing to our eyes.

as a hobbiest photographer though, I would rather take the photo as colour accurate as possible, but in RAW so that I can adjust and change it later to my own liking.