Samsung's New Galaxy S10+ vs. Apple's iPhone XS Max

[LordVic]

They're both monstrosities. iPhone SE2 please. Same exact body, headphone jack, with updated internals and camera.

updated display too please! I would love AMOLED bonded to the glass in an SE body.

 

[DNichter]

Yeah but it won't necessary score better overall.
When the S9 was named the best display by displaymate it beat the iPhone x at almost every single parameter while the Xs Max at best had half of the result in it's favor versus the Note 9.

Yea that’s possible, but again, I don’t really see these numbers as any indication that the other (Samsung or Apple) is a worse display. The differences are so small that I don’t think it matters. These display ratings are more just to feed egos in my eyes. It’s pointless.

 

[LordVic]

Agreed. It’s kind of a wash in my eyes when it comes to anything hardware related today. We argue over such small differences and every phone is one upped, it’s to be expected. Software is more of a preference, and even that is becoming less and less of a difference today.

we've hit a saturated market that lacks much product differentiation. Pretty much all the hardware aspects have hit a point of dminiminiminishing returns where the changes from one generation to another have nearly no impact on actual usability.

this is where it truly gets tough as all vendors will try to differentiate themselves somehow, someway.

we're at the point now where the business strategies for sales are going to be more impactful than the technology in the devices.

 

[DNichter]

we've hit a saturated market that lacks much product differentiation. Pretty much all the hardware aspects have hit a point of dminiminiminishing returns where the changes from one generation to another have nearly no impact on actual usability.

this is where it truly gets tough as all vendors will try to differentiate themselves somehow, someway.

we're at the point now where the business strategies for sales are going to be more impactful than the technology in the devices.

Absolutely. That’s why software, services, and ecosystem are so important today. I also think that’s where the push to foldables comes from. Mainly just to bring something new to the market. I see value in the concept and the tech is amazing, but I am not sure that it is necessarily the future. At least for me, I see more value in wearables. I could obviously be wrong too.

 

[Dave.UK]

My friends are also my colleagues, and working in a government related sector for a career path, security_is_ crucial, so yes, we do discuss this (As it’s also mandated), because we have to rely on the type of information we are transmitting from our smart phones, which we only use the iPhone to protect our credentials/ and confidentiality disseminating sensitive materials due to the stringent security from iOS. Android doesn’t deliver here, nor would the agency I work for even consider android in that respect.

I work for the Home Office in the UK. We've all been issued with Galaxy Note 8's as work phones. Samsung Knox is extremely secure.
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Not really. Bottom line is this, android is not secure as Apple is with iOS. Nor do they value the stringency that Apple has in terms of encryption standards. I’m not saying android isn’t secure, but I don’t want to have any false modesty pretending like android is on the same level as Apple is either, which clearly others are aware they are not.

Again more nonsense. Samsung Knox is extremely secure, thus why it was chosen by the UK Home Office.

 

[ROGmaster]

Yea that’s possible, but again, I don’t really see these numbers as any indication that the other (Samsung or Apple) is a worse display. The differences are so small that I don’t think it matters. These display ratings are more just to feed egos in my eyes. It’s pointless.

Then why are some users here disagreeing with the simple fact that Samsung makes the best OLED displays?
It was simply said that Samsung has the best OLED displays(with no reference to Apple).

 

[LordVic]

Absolutely. That’s why software, services, and ecosystem are so important today. I also think that’s where the push to foldables comes from. Mainly just to bring something new to the market. I see value in the concept and the tech is amazing, but I am not sure that it is necessarily the future. At least for me, I see more value in wearables. I could obviously be wrong too.

i'm leaning the same way. I think "foldable" will have a future, but we're really early in the tech. The offerings we're seeing so far feel more concept devices than refined products. Though I appreciate the effort. We learn from the failings of those who came before us. these early attempts will show us and other manufacturers what works and what doesn't

I think ideally, the end goal for Foldables will be similar to what we see in Westworld. But they will not be stand-alone and there will be a mixture of some form of wearable / embedded tech. I'm not sure how we'll get there, and it will likely take quite a few years of revision (same process outlined above) to get to where we're finally satisfied.

Heck, our current smart phones underwent numerous disruptions until we've finally gotten to the mature slabs we have today. From early day PDA's from the Newton and Palm, to Blackberries and CE devices, to iPhones, to the large glass slabs we have today.

Tech is built on the shoulders of giants.
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Then why are some users here disagreeing with the simple fact that Samsung makes the best OLED displays?
It was simply said that Samsung has the best OLED displays(with no reference to Apple).

some people think it's a zero sum game like sports and if you're not first, you're last.

it's like team sports to them. They don't understand, nor probably care to understand that it's not. there's plenty of space for there to be multiple top tier quality phone makers.

 

[DNichter]

Then why are some users here disagreeing with the simple fact that Samsung makes the best OLED displays?
It was simply said that Samsung has the best OLED displays(with no reference to Apple).

Probably just because Apple is involved in the final calibration, which resulted (at least I believe for the X and XS) in very accurate and precise colors. It was strange, at least for me, to see Apple displays rated better than Samsung’s right after the X was released, but good calibration doesn’t mean “Apple makes a better display.” Samsung plays a huge part in all of it though and absolutely makes the best displays. They’re a great partner for Apple and I’m happy they use their displays.
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i'm leaning the same way. I think "foldable" will have a future, but we're really early in the tech. The offerings we're seeing so far feel more concept devices than refined products. Though I appreciate the effort. We learn from the failings of those who came before us. these early attempts will show us and other manufacturers what works and what doesn't

I think ideally, the end goal for Foldables will be similar to what we see in Westworld. But they will not be stand-alone and there will be a mixture of some form of wearable / embedded tech. I'm not sure how we'll get there, and it will likely take quite a few years of revision (same process outlined above) to get to where we're finally satisfied.

Heck, our current smart phones underwent numerous disruptions until we've finally gotten to the mature slabs we have today. From early day PDA's from the Newton and Palm, to Blackberries and CE devices, to iPhones, to the large glass slabs we have today.

Tech is built on the shoulders of giants.
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some people think it's a zero sum game like sports and if you're not first, you're last.

it's like team sports to them. They don't understand, nor probably care to understand that it's not. there's plenty of space for there to be multiple top tier quality phone makers.

You, totally agree. In the end it’s good for everyone and pushes tech, as a whole, forward. I personally don’t agree with bringing compromised products to launch (I think it’s better to wait until the tech matures), but I’ve started to really agree with you. It has to start somewhere.

 

[ROGmaster]

Probably just because Apple is involved in the final calibration, which resulted (at least I believe for the X and XS) in very accurate and precise colors. It was strange, at least for me, to see Apple displays rated better than Samsung’s right after the X was released, but good calibration doesn’t mean “Apple makes a better display.” Samsung plays a huge part in all of it though and absolutely makes the best displays. They’re a great partner for Apple and I’m happy they use their displays.

LoL, good laugh.
You didn't understand anything regarding the point from where the discussion regarding this specific topic started.
But hey you wrote another post. You must be very very bored.

 

[LordVic]

Probably just because Apple is involved in the final calibration, which resulted (at least I believe for the X and XS) in very accurate and precise colors. It was strange, at least for me, to see Apple displays rated better than Samsung’s right after the X was released, but good calibration doesn’t mean “Apple makes a better display.” Samsung plays a huge part in all of it though and absolutely makes the best displays. They’re a great partner for Apple and I’m happy they use their displays.
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You, totally agree. In the end it’s good for everyone and pushes tech, as a whole, forward. I personally don’t agree with bringing compromised products to launch, but I’ve started to really agree with you. It has to start somewhere.

someone has to start. compromised or not. Even Apple has had some compromised first time products in their history.

if everyone holds off waiting for someone else to do it, than it never gets done , and we never advance. Sometimes, the tech and innovation doesn't prove useful and fizzles out. Sometimes it changes the world. Until someone goes first, we never find out.

 

[44267547]

Samsung Knox is extremely secure, thus why it was chosen by the UK Home Office.

Maybe it is in the U.K., but that’s not applicable or an option from my standpoint, I’m not attesting to that specific OS, however, I can say indefinitely, iOS will _always_ be the chosen source for security for our agency, there is no other option, period. iOS has some of the top stringent security standards for breaching, which is selected by many federal agencies.

 

[Khedron]

Pretending is good word.

All the banking/money transactions can be done on both Android and iOS. The world of money/business runs on both platforms equally.

If Android is so insecure like some here seems to paint, every bank would not even dare to have transactions and apps on Android.

Hence... "pretending" to think iOS is safer aptly describe some posts here.

Lots of people on here pretending that Face ID is more secure than fingerprints and the difference actually means something in real life.

Maybe MacRumours is filled with criminal masterminds and terrorists who are constantly in fear of their phone being stolen by the police, but they're also lazy criminal masterminds and terrorists who can't be bothered with a long passcode?

 

[DNichter]

LoL, good laugh.
You didn't understand anything regarding the point from where the discussion regarding this specific topic started.
But hey you wrote another post. You must be very very bored.

I’m not sure what you mean. You asked why people on here think that Apple makes the best displays? I think it just comes down to those ratings that come out and how they go back and forth. People will use that and say their display is better. Ultimately, it all comes from Samsung so I think that’s clear.

 

[Ramchi]

Agreed. It’s kind of a wash in my eyes when it comes to anything hardware related today. We argue over such small differences and every phone is one upped, it’s to be expected. Software is more of a preference, and even that is becoming less and less of a difference today.

Absolutely, there is no real difference a normal user can appreciate one over the other considering most of then are not gamers or power users trying various customization...the main differentiating factor becomes cost, personal preference, some regional bias, easy access for service and support, to some extent resale value. In my place XS Max costs almost twice that of Note 9.....hence our choices

 

[DNichter]

someone has to start. compromised or not. Even Apple has had some compromised first time products in their history.

if everyone holds off waiting for someone else to do it, than it never gets done , and we never advance. Sometimes, the tech and innovation doesn't prove useful and fizzles out. Sometimes it changes the world. Until someone goes first, we never find out.

Definitely fair to say and I agree. I don’t need to buy, but it’s good to see the progression.

 

[Khedron]

Maybe it is in the U.K., but that’s not applicable or an option from my standpoint, I’m not attesting to that specific OS, however, I can say indefinitely, iOS will _always_ be the chosen source for security for our agency, there is no other option, period. iOS has some of the top stringent security standards for breaching, which is selected by many federal agencies.

Federal agencies relying on consumer products for national security? Ouch.

 

[DNichter]

Absolutely, there is no real difference a normal user can appreciate one over the other considering most of then are not gamers or power users trying various customization...the main differentiating factor becomes cost, personal preference, some regional bias, easy access for service and support, to some extent resale value. In my place XS Max costs almost twice that of Note 9.....hence our choices

Yup, it’s just a personal preference from what I see. There is no wrong choice and different people value/prefer different things from their platforms. There is no wrong choice today.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

On and I also heard that Samsung will implement an always on fingerprint icon on the lock screen(so it will appear together with the Always On Display).

I watched the fingerprint unlocking on the Verge video and the reviewer clearly placed his finger lower down on the screen when it failed to unlock, than the location he placed his finger when it unlocked? And we know that the release firmware will have the fingerprint icon on Always On Display lock ecreen.

 

[44267547]

Federal agencies relying on consumer products

Indeed. Fun Fact:

With the latest purchase from our iPhone 8’s (And some XS’s) from Apple, we actually established a contract for two years to continue to use iOS as a main threshold for encryption and security standards, which Android was ruled out due to ‘infiltration breaching’.

 

[mrochester]

Samsung has amazing hardware chops, but there's just no way I'm downgrading to Android from iOS.

When I buy a smartphone I expect excellent hardware AND software, hence I buy iPhone.

 

[JGIGS]

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Celebrities get hacked because they use weak passwords, not because of a lack of security in icloud.
What percentage of Android apps have malware? Is it 40% still?
You also have to ask yourself what security you have when everything is in the Google universe.
You have to start by logging into gmail then that logs you in with everything else whether you want it to or not.
In their privacy rules they clearly state they have ownership of everything you put on their servers- images, contacts, emails, documents ( although they assure you that they would never use your data without your permission. ) But ownership?
Plus, I think you’ll find keychain password protection and the apple chips in all devices ( can’t remember the name) the ones which keep sensitive data and or parts of the OS kernel that not even they can get into. They arecavhuge plus. l
Android is pretty good these days but I think you’ll find that Android phones are still a long way behind in security.

iOS had a bunch of privacy issues with 3rd party apps like Facebook air Canada and their own FaceTime app. They’ve recently taken steps to fix this but privacy was still broken. Apple might be better but isn’t perfect either on this subject.

I get it if you don’t like getting targeted ads, you certainly get those using Chrome. I find them useful and annoying at times but I can live with them.

 

[44267547]

Samsung has amazing hardware chops, but there's just no way I'm downgrading to Android from iOS.

When I buy a smartphone I expect excellent hardware AND software, hence I buy iPhone.

Outstanding post. Succinct and precise, and that’s exactly what android is, a significant downgrade from iOS in almost every single facet. It’s Not about the hardware anymore, as competitors are equally alike with their standards, it’s all about the software experience moving forward, and that is why iOS is so dominant and will continue to dominate.

 

[Ramchi]

I think Apple is to blame beyond just pricing. Their hubris about touchscreen Mac OS X products is astonishing. A touchscreen based OS X would sell very well. At the iPP prices, I wish they used Mac OS X. I would've purchased that over a Surface product, but that isn't the case. Though, the iPP as a product, it could do very well for light design and smaller productivity since has the peripherals needed to create content or render services.

Touch Mac OS X would kill iPad range and or will be prohibitively expensive. Microsoft OS has done clean integration of touch interface without making it as a big deal. Whereas Mac OS X would make song and dance of it to charge another $1000 more which no one would be interested in a product line that is failing in the portfolio.

Apple has to reinvent itself by challenging their whole execution by optimising their costs that must reflected where any increase in price must be completely unavoidable. Hereafter any random price increases won't be greeted with more sales...

 

[Dave.UK]

Maybe it is in the U.K., but that’s not applicable or an option from my standpoint, I’m not attesting to that specific OS, however, I can say indefinitely, iOS will _always_ be the chosen source for security for our agency, there is no other option, period. iOS has some of the top stringent security standards for breaching, which is selected by many federal agencies.

You stated that no agency would use Samsung as it's not secure. I disproved that. Do you not think the Home Office has stringent standards what with sensitive and restricted information being sent to these devices?

Yes, iOS may be the choice for your department, but don't go spreading nonsense that Samsung Knox is insecure.

 

[ROGmaster]

Maybe it is in the U.K., but that’s not applicable or an option from my standpoint, I’m not attesting to that specific OS,

I didn't write that part with UK, somebody modified my post(it looks actually like a bug ).
Anyway.
Samsung refers to their Knox platform as: “Defense-Grade Mobile Data & Network Security”.
It's certified by various governments and major enterprises around the world including: the U.S. Department of Defense. Which is quite major, wouldn't you agree? I mean it's good for the US Army it must be really great.

however, I can say indefinitely, iOS will _always_ be the chosen source for security for our agency, there is no other option, period. iOS has some of the top stringent security standards for breaching, which is selected by many federal agencies.

So? Is the agency you work for equivalent to the U.S. Department of Defense?