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Your the one who doesn't have a clue. iOS has gone down the toilet since iOS 7. It lags, it crashes, its horrible on the eyes, and looks awful. iOS 6 and earlier versions ARE much superior than current versions in terms of fluidity and stability.

And many have noticed that through out the years. And I have personally observed this on the iPhone 4s, 5, 5S, 6, 6s, 7, and 8.

I can make iOS lag when scrolling in safari on cnet.com articles and its home page but thats a safari issue since it doesnt do it in the chrome browser on the iPad pro. That's the Apple of today....
 
Yep, the human eye can't see more than 720p. Apple confirmed it.
2,688x1,242 (iPhone XS Max) is 720p?
2436 x 1125 (iPhone X) is 720p?
Nobody currently (or likely ever) needs higher resolution than that in a small handheld device... any more than apps need faster CPUs.
 
Im critical of Apple because I think they can do so much better. The Apple I knew would have been the ones coming out first with a folding smartphone and absolutely nailing it!!
Apple never came out with touchscreen laptops or hybrids either. Why do you all think that foldable phones are the future? Is this another one of those “someone else is doing it, so I want Apple to do the same just to prove it is not falling behind” mentality?

What if it’s all a fad and perhaps the right move would have been simply not to play?

I agree that folding displays have their place, but I feel they make more sense in wearables rather than phones that unfold into larger screens.
 
Apple never came out with touchscreen laptops or hybrids either. Why do you all think that foldable phones are the future? Is this another one of those “someone else is doing it, so I want Apple to do the same just to prove it is not falling behind” mentality?

What if it’s all a fad and perhaps the right move would have been simply not to play?

I agree that folding displays have their place, but I feel they make more sense in wearables rather than phones that unfold into larger screens.
I'm afraid you lost the entire point of my post, the folding phone was just an example. My point was im critical of Apple because I know they can do so much better and as a fan of technology I really want them too!!
 
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I'm afraid you lost the entire point of my post, the folding phone was just an example. My point was im critical of Apple because I know they can do so much better and as a fan of technology I really want them too!!

And my point is that Apple will (do better). Just not necessarily in the areas that you want them to improve in. That’s really the whole point of contention, isn’t it? Apple is moving on to health, wearables and self-driving cars, and the people here are still arguing about when the Mac Pro will be refreshed.

Sometimes, it just feels like we are watching two different movies here.
 
And my point is that Apple will (do better). Just not necessarily in the areas that you want them to improve in. That’s really the whole point of contention, isn’t it? Apple is moving on to health, wearables and self-driving cars, and the people here are still arguing about when the Mac Pro will be refreshed.

Sometimes, it just feels like we are watching two different movies here.
Well no, as far as I'm concerned Apple are primarily a smartphone company as is evidenced by thier annual turnover in that segment. Do you have inside information we are all unaware of? Either way they need to do better with thier current product lines if they want to bring back the spark. Also without the Macbook Pro's and Mac pro's side of the business a vital part of the ecosystem disappears which can have a negative effect on other products.
 
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For me , I love the Apple hardware but what kept me in is the security .

Right now , even the security and reliability of the software is questionable .

Remember the horrible security breach for apps that record your screen , eg Singapore Airlines, Expedia ...
After Apple was informed , what did Apple do ?
Request the companies to review the code.
I would have liked to believe that the OLD Apple would have removed the App immediately!

If IOS is so safe but the people managing and deciding what is “privacy” let such an abuse to go on....
Then it is no different from Android .

Let see how things go, Apple software team is really killing Apple.
No QA.
 
I don't really care for all the Android vs. IOS discussions on Macrumors the past few years.
It's still an Apple-oriented website and I used to like coming to a place that didn't have all the os comparison bs topics being so popular.
OS preference is personal (to a large degree) and the discussion over which is better is extremely old, extremely boring and always ends up in the most idiotic arguing. It used to be all windows vs. osx and has shifted to all android vs. ios.
It's pathetic really.

What I also don't see a lot of people factor in, are the prices on the 2nd hand market.
I usually buy a new iPhone each year, because I can get so much money for my year old phone 2nd hand.
I check the prices regularly (might be a regional thing) and the Android flagship phones don't even retain a fraction of the original price compared to iPhones.

I sold my iPhone X for 85% of the price I paid for it when it was new, which is probably a better result than what you end up with if you'd hold on to an iPhone for 4 years, not able to sell it further and have to pay full price for a new one.

The caveat is that your phone must be kept in pristine condition, which isn't all that difficult nowadays ...
I've used an Apple leather case on my iPhones for the past 3 generations and nothing else.
I realise how I use my phone is not how everyone uses their phone, but I'd bet it is for at least 70% of people.

I also bought into this perception initially. But later it proved to be too much to maintain iPhones recycling every year or even 18 months or 3.5 years! The value loss is typically 40%-50% in my place for iPhones within 10-12 months. The value remains stable between 12-18 months around similar range. In addition to this you end up paying lot more for a new iPhone...

Samsung drops value but you shouldn't go after Samsung flagships until few months to take advantage of price rationalisation..... but still I agree that price increase hurts in both the worlds
 
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For me , I love the Apple hardware but what kept me in is the security .

Right now , even the security and reliability of the software is questionable .

Remember the horrible security breach for apps that record your screen , eg Singapore Airlines, Expedia ...
After Apple was informed , what did Apple do ?
Request the companies to review the code.
I would have liked to believe that the OLD Apple would have removed the App immediately!

If IOS is so safe but the people managing and deciding what is “privacy” let such an abuse to go on....
Then it is no different from Android .

Let see how things go, Apple software team is really killing Apple.
No QA.

What about the Facebook App, after all the information about data and privacy abuse, still in the App Store.

You know why? $$$$$

People are getting to know the real Apple now...in the end; privacy is just a marketing tool for Apple and $$$ is still King to privacy
 
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Thank goodness Apple came along and showed traditional watch makers where they had been going wrong for centuries....

Traditional watch makers need a round dial for a clock face. Apple doesn’t need that because your watch face could be analogue, digital or even a photograph.

I think the point the poster was making is that smart watches make more sense as a square shape, not round.
 
I can appreciate what you are trying to do and yes there are some people that are here just to start an argument, but you need to realise not everyone hates Apple, you will find many of us have been fans of Apple well before the days of iPhones and Airpods. Many of us just want Apple to produce great products for the people, Apple have become a juggernaut but they have lost some of the spark along the way that made me love Apple products to start with.

Just because a company is making a huge amount of profit does not always reflect the quality of the products they produce nor the quality control standards. You can clearly see this with the Macbook lines keyboard and t2 chip issues.

Apple still do amazing things, for example their W1 chip in the AirPods and Beats X have AMAZING bluetooth range and unmatched ease of connectivity. The iPhone XS looks and feels super premium and has unmatched Haptic feedback The MBP still has the best trackpad out there, has the best OS in OSX and is still the best looking laptop available. I just think Apple can do even better, for example the AirPods do everything great but fall flat when it comes to sound quality, arguably the most important feature on a headphone. Then you have iOS which still lacks basic things like being able to organise your homescreen, this is basic stuff!! Then you have the MBP with its god awful unreliable keyboard for 3 years in a row!

Im critical of Apple because I think they can do so much better. The Apple I knew would have been the ones coming out first with a folding smartphone and absolutely nailing it!!

Agree with all, but not sure time is ripe to nail a foldable. As much as apple is disgusting under cook, i guess they will come with a clever foldable. There are still some geniuses, Ive You are NOT meant!
 
Agree with all, but not sure time is ripe to nail a foldable. As much as apple is disgusting under cook, i guess they will come with a clever foldable. There are still some geniuses, Ive You are NOT meant!
Perhaps it isn't the time for a foldable phone but it was more of an example of something the Apple of old would pull off.
 
If anyone can do it and make it just work, it's Apple.

I’m sure iOS would be cleverly optimised for a foldable screen. Not like that terrible Samsung example of 3 all but useless windows crammed into the full size sceeen! It makes you realise Samsung still doesn’t get software. They seem to think because something can be done, they should do it.
 
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I mean like the airpods, Apple Watch, the ipad, the Apple Pencil, Smart Keyboard, Smart battery case, as well as features like Face ID, airdrop, being able to unlock your Mac with your watch, continuity, iMessage, amongst others.

One or two missteps doesn’t automatically negate all the good Apple has done.
I can agree with some of these things like the iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch. AirPods yes and no. There were Bluetooth headphones for years before AirPods but the Apple did simplify the pairing process. I believe the charging case had already been done.

The Apple Pencil- what about all those Wacom styli? The surface pen.

The Smart Keyboard- There were plenty of other high quality smart keyboards around.

The ecosystem and how products work together I completely agree with.
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I don’t know why Apple thinks 4bg is sufficient to compete with phones that have 8gb and 12gb.

I don’t care how efficient your memory sub system is. It can’t hold twice the programs in RAM. Which means more refreshes. And makes the iPhone look slower.

Everyone knows 8gb performs better than 4. Except Apple it would seem.

Also the newest Samsung’s have UFS3.0 in devices like the Fold and no doubt note 10.

Also the lack of 5g phones until 2020. Im sure by the time 5g is deployed in more cities Apple will adopt it.

Don’t they get tired of leading from behind it looks like you have no original ideas.
An iPhone doesn’t need 8GB of ram because it’s not doing anything like split screen apps and it aggressively manages how many apps can be kept open in the background and for how long. So until Apple changes those things there really isn’t any point in increasing the amount of ram.

4 GB in the Xs max is fine. iOS is light and it’s optomised for the hardware.

There isn’t really any point in 5G on phones this year because 5G won’t be ready for the vast majority of customers until next year. It’s bettet that they wait than rush it out like they did with the iPhone 5 and then for users to find out that their phone is incompatible with the 4G networks when it launches. This happened in the UK.
 
We are an all-out Apple house. Yet I just bought an S10 plus because my wife’s priority on a phone is its camera and she wanted to give it a try. Meanwhile I wanted to expand my knowledge beyond Apple and IOS.

We are deeply tied into the Apple eco system but I am more into it than my wife. Despite that, I wanted try to see if I could switch to Android. Google Playstore has almost all the applications of the Apple AppStore. So the switch seemed plausible but there are some items that I have a hard time finding a substitute. Maybe they do exist, like Airplay, Apple remote, iMessage, ability to add CalDav accounts, shared calendars, Notes (shared and encrypted), Find my Friends to name a few. Not to mention that Apple Watch needs to be replaced with a Samsung watch.

However, for the vast majority of people out there, who are not tied to Apple with an umbilical cord, these are not that critical and the additional benefits, like the better camera, the display, ability to use SD cards to add more memory and the price difference are more than enough to pick the Samsung.

All I can say is that I am truly impressed with the quality of the hardware and Android has come a long way. Apple needs to lower their prices and catch up with the competition.
 
Tell that to my iPhone's that have bricked on the new updates or totally lost functionality with native apps until a full restore.

That’s weird. iOS 12 for me on iPhone XS Max and my iPad Pro oh and updates on my Apple Watch and um my Apple TV’s, forgot to mention CarPlay and my 4 HomePods - first time I’ve literally had no discernible issues
 
I don’t know where you come from but there are other countries in the world too you know... in my country Samsung has taken over the business crown from Apple.

As I said before, bullocks.

In my original reply I provided proof, but I retracted/edited it, it's non of your business where I am from, privacy is my number 1 concern.
 
I can agree with some of these things like the iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch. AirPods yes and no. There were Bluetooth headphones for years before AirPods but the Apple did simplify the pairing process. I believe the charging case had already been done.
I think people make too much about "Apple simplified the pairing process" .
Pairing is a one time operation the first one one uses it on a master device.

I dig out an old Voyager ear piece I hadn't used for years to test claims Apple users make about BT issues. Pairing took less than 30 seconds. It was likely faster. And swapping from my phone to a tablet to test connectivity just took 2 or 3 icon presses.

But then again, I haven't tried these BT operations on Apple devices that don't have a W1 chip.
 
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Let’s face it guys and gals this is purely down to OS preference, the phones themselves pretty much do identical tasks and are as good as each other on their specific platform.

The real issue is that smartphones whether they are from this year, last year, the year before, are very good at what they do. How do you convince somebody with an 8+ for instance that they need an XS Max when it essentially does the same thing? This is the main issue facing manufacturers right now. Convincing consumers their 2 year old smartphone which still works extremely fast, that they need to upgrade to a device that is over a grand and will work the same. I know so many people now either buying an older device new or opting to come off their expensive contract and go ‘sim only’ with their current phone.

As for the Android vs iOS debate, we don’t need to convince each other as we ultimately buy into the ecosystem we prefer anyway. The landscape has changed dramatically in the last 4 years and specs no longer seem to be the draw they used to be because far too many people are happy with what they’ve got. With prices increasing, this trend is going to continue and encourage people to keep phones even longer.
 
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