Samsung's New Galaxy S10+ vs. Apple's iPhone XS Max

[mrochester]

Let’s face it guys and gals this is purely down to OS preference, the phones themselves pretty much do identical tasks and are as good as each other on their specific platform.

The real issue is that smartphones whether they are from this year, last year, the year before, are very good at what they do. How do you convince somebody with an 8+ for instance that they need an XS Max when it essentially does the same thing? This is the main issue facing manufacturers right now. Convincing consumers their 2 year old smartphone which still works extremely fast, that they need to upgrade to a device that is over a grand and will work the same. I know so many people now either buying an older device new or opting to come off their expensive contract and go ‘sim only’ with their current phone.

As for the Android vs iOS debate, we don’t need to convince each other as we ultimately buy into the ecosystem we prefer anyway. The landscape has changed dramatically in the last 4 years and specs no longer seem to be the draw they used to be because far too many people are happy with what they’ve got. With prices increasing, this trend is going to continue and encourage people to keep phones even longer.

It’s OS AND business model preference. I think Google’s business model of surveillance capitalism is damaging the world beyond all recognition. Apple has a much better business model of make product, sell for money.

I pray one day google and Facebook will go out of business so we can move away from surveillance capitalism. Sadly, too many people are completely clueless about the long term implications of these business models and there is very little government regulation to control them (luckily we have started in the EU with GDPR). People need to start understanding that their personal information is just as valuable, if not more so, than money, and that they shouldn’t be freely giving it away to companies like google and Facebook who use that data to manipulate what you think and what you do.

Sadly it’s likely going to be too late before the sheep realise what has happened to them. I’ll enjoy my ‘told you so’ though .

 

[torana355]

It’s OS AND business model preference. I think Google’s business model of surveillance capitalism is damaging the world beyond all recognition. Apple has a much better business model of make product, sell for money.

I pray one day google and Facebook will go out of business so we can move away from surveillance capitalism. Sadly, too many people are completely clueless about the long term implications of these business models and there is very little government regulation to control them (luckily we have started in the EU with GDPR). People need to start understanding that their personal information is just as valuable, if not more so, than money, and that they shouldn’t be freely giving it away to companies like google and Facebook who use that data to manipulate what you think and what you do.

Sadly it’s likely going to be too late before the sheep realise what has happened to them. I’ll enjoy my ‘told you so’ though .

Just put another tin foil hat on you will right. People are not stupid, we know exactly what is happening. I can say without a doubt that I'm not concerned over Google's practices. In fact I'm all for it if it makes my life easier.

 

[mrochester]

Just put another tin foil hat on you will right.

And this is the typical response of people who don’t realise what is happening.

It’s fine, you can continue believing you are OK and keeping walking into the trap. Its no skin off my nose if people are happy to sleep walk into having their behaviour monitored and controlled by private business.

 

[torana355]

And this is the typical response of people who don’t realise what is happening.

It’s fine, you can continue believing you are OK and keeping walking into the trap, it’s no skin off my nose if people are happy to sleep walk into having their behaviour monitored and controlled by private business.

I know exactly what is happening, i have just chosen to embrace it.

 

[mrochester]

I know exactly what is happening, i have just chosen to embrace it.

Following the rest of the herd then.

What regulation is there to stop google from showing you only content that you agree with?

Where can I view the decision making of Google’s algorithm so that there is transparency in the results surfaced?

Where can I see the monetary value of my data to Google so that I can make an informed decision about whether their services are good value or not?

 

[Geert76]

Apple has a much better business model of make product, sell for money.

http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-engine/

Google paid Apple $ 12.000.000.000 to be the default search engine.

Apple is more interested in $$$ than securing your privacy (why the heck is Facebook still in the App Store?) or making good products.
But throwing the privacy card is a well worked out marketing tactic which worked out well for Apple

 

[torana355]

Following the rest of the herd then.

Nope, I could say the same about all the people that buy Apple products mindlessly because it's the 'cool' brand to own. Like i said fold yourself a nice tin foil hat, you will be right. I've been using google products for many years and I've not had any negative experiences with privacy invasion and I can bet I never will.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Traditional watch makers need a round dial for a clock face. Apple doesn’t need that because your watch face could be analogue, digital or even a photograph.

I think the point the poster was making is that smart watches make more sense as a square shape, not round.

I think it probably depends on user preference. If you’re used to round smart watches that will seem more traditional

I think people make too much about "Apple simplified the pairing process" .
Pairing is a one time operation the first one one uses it on a master device.

I dig out an old Voyager ear piece I hadn't used for years to test claims Apple users make about BT issues. Pairing took less than 30 seconds. It was likely faster. And swapping from my phone to a tablet to test connectivity just took 2 or 3 icon presses.

But then again, I haven't tried these BT operations on Apple devices that don't have a W1 chip.

with other Bluetooth devices I have to pair it to every single device I want to use it with. With the AirPods they pair to your iPhone and then they are automatically paired with all your other Apple devices such as iPads, Apple TV, Apple Watch, MacBook.

Another thing is that I have a pair of Bluetooth headphones. They automatically connect to the last device they were used with which is fine but in order to use them with another device I need to disconnect them from the last device they were connected to before I can connect to another device.

I don’t have this problem with my AirPods.

 

[mrochester]

http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-engine/

Google paid Apple $ 12.000.000.000 to be the default search engine.

Apple is more interested in $$$ than securing your privacy (why the heck is Facebook still in the App Store?) or making good products.
But throwing the privacy card is a well worked out marketing tactic which worked out well for Apple

I use DuckDuckGo.
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Nope, I could say the same about all the people that buy Apple products mindlessly because it's the 'cool' brand to own. Like i said fold yourself a nice tin foil hat, you will be right. I've been using google products for many years and I've not had any negative experiences with privacy invasion and I can bet I never will.

You have already experienced negative experiences as a result of your privacy being invaded. Targeted advertising, search result manipulation, surfacing content you’re more likely to agree with etc. These are all negative things that will have happened to you as a result of you failing to adequately protect your privacy. And unlike money, which you can make more of, you now CANNOT ever get your privacy back. More fool you for giving it away!

 

[torana355]

I use DuckDuckGo.
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That’s because you’ve been manipulated without knowing it.

Yeaaaah ok....

 

[Geert76]

I use DuckDuckGo.

if this is your reaction to my last post regarding privacy...yeah, than it only confirms the privacy card Apples marketing team is throwing at its users/customer base

thanks for the confirmation!

 

[mrochester]

if this is your reaction to my last post regarding privacy...yeah, than it only confirms the privacy card Apples marketing team is throwing at its users/customer base

thanks for the confirmation!

Your post makes no sense.

 

[torana355]

I use DuckDuckGo.
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You have already experienced negative experiences as a result of your privacy being invaded. Targeted advertising, search result manipulation, surfacing content you’re more likely to agree with etc. These are all negative things that will have happened to you as a result of you failing to adequately protect your privacy. And unlike money, which you can make more of, you now CANNOT ever get your privacy back. More fool you for giving it away!

Those are all positive things that help me, i want to know about stuff that I care about. Advertising is everywhere so it may as well be tailored to me. Unless you completly unplug yourself from the internet there is no escaping it anyway, googles alogithims are hard encoded in to lots of websites.

Anyway I'll leave you to it. Have a good day

 

[Geert76]

Your post makes no sense.

I'll leave you in your Apple ''Privacy'' bubble

 

[torana355]

I despair at your defeatist attitude; if I’m going to be advertised to, I might as well give away all my privacy at the same time! How about advocating for NO advertising instead of just falling in line with exactly what google and Facebook want you to do?

You don’t just want to know about stuff you care about, you want to see opposing views and opinions so that you can remain open minded instead of closed minded and shut off in your own little echo chamber. There’s a reason the world is becoming ever more polarised and hostile to people that are different and it’s because of these echo chambers created by google and Facebook. They are the ultimate machines at manipulating human behaviour BECAUSE you have freely given them the information to manipulate you.

And you haven’t even asked for anything in return. You are the ultimate sheep.
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Thanks. We’ll be glad to see the back of you!

Like I said short of unplugging from the internet all together there is no escaping it. Google's algorithms are hard encoded into a massive amount of websites. Life is too short to spend it worrying about such things, i have real problems to deal with.

 

[mrochester]

Like I said short of unplugging from the internet all together there is no escaping it. Google's algorithms are hard encoded into a massive amount of websites.

This is why we need government regulation to remove all of that. And you need to petition your elected representatives to make it happen quicker.

 

[The Game 161]

Received my Note 9 pie and One UI update today and it allows Bixby button remapping........this is with T-Mobile...thankfully ...set it up to open Google single press and Bixby double press......really sweet and the UI is nice and of course customizable.

Definitely will wait for the Note 10 or 11 now.......not missing anything

What’s that daily routine in settings wise? That’s rather awesome to do all that

 

[torana355]

This is why we need government regulation to remove all of that. And you need to petition your elected representatives to make it happen quicker.

I do see your point and appreciate your passion for protecting your privacy. That's all I will say. This has gone way off topic.

 

[Geert76]

I despair at your defeatist attitude; if I’m going to be advertised to, I might as well give away all my privacy at the same time! How about advocating for NO advertising instead of just falling in line with exactly what google and Facebook want you to do?

You don’t just want to know about stuff you care about, you want to see opposing views and opinions so that you can remain open minded instead of closed minded and shut off in your own little echo chamber. There’s a reason the world is becoming ever more polarised and hostile to people that are different and it’s because of these echo chambers created by google and Facebook. They are the ultimate machines at manipulating human behaviour BECAUSE you have freely given them the information to manipulate you.

And you haven’t even asked for anything in return. You are the ultimate sheep.
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Thanks. We’ll be glad to see the back of you!

why do think Apple still allows Facebook in their App Store? hint: $$$$

Again, Apples marketing team did a great job with their privacy tactics, you just confirmed it...again (2nd time in a short time)

 

[44267547]

Nope, I could say the same about all the people that buy Apple products mindlessly because it's the 'cool' brand to own.

I have been an Apple user for years, I probably own more products from Apple than most even in here, and I’ve never encountered anyone outside a ‘tech site’ who purchases Apple product because it’s ‘cool’. They (Consumers) buy Apple products, because it benefits them for their personal consumption or work related use, and their products are exceptionally well-made that has longevity, extended support and customer service to back the product, those are the ingredients white contrives to Apple success. That’s why consumers choose Apple, because they know what they’re purchasing before they even pay for it. No one, and I mean no one outside this tech site buys anything Apple related just because ‘it’s cool’. That’s a really bad argument.

 

[The Game 161]

I can make iOS lag when scrolling in safari on cnet.com articles and its home page but thats a safari issue since it doesnt do it in the chrome browser on the iPad pro. That's the Apple of today....

My max crashes past few days using apps so it’s blind for people to say IOS doesn’t crash or lag. Every phone can

 

[mrochester]

I do see your point and appreciate your passion for protecting your privacy. That's all I will say.

Your privacy, like your right to vote, is a fundamental part of democracy and needs to be strongly and thoroughly protected. Too many people freely give it away without understanding the consequences.

My neighbour was amazed when I told her that Facebook would use the information they hold about her to target specific advertising.

It boggles my mind that people don’t realise how these companies make money and how nefarious their activities are.
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why do think Apple still allows Facebook in their App Store? hint: $$$$

Again, Apples marketing team did a great job with their privacy tactics, you just confirmed it...again (2nd time in a short time)

Apple make no money from the Facebook app being in the store.

 

[torana355]

I have been an Apple user for years, I probably own more products from Apple than most even in here, and I’ve never encountered anyone outside a ‘tech site’ who purchases Apple product because it’s ‘cool’. They (Consumers) buy Apple products, because it benefits them for their personal consumption or work related use, and their products are exceptionally well-made that has longevity, extended support and customer service to back the product, those are the ingredients white contrives to Apple success. That’s why consumers choose Apple, because they know what they’re purchasing before they even pay for it. No one, and I mean no one outside this tech site buys anything Apple related just because ‘it’s cool’. That’s a really bad argument.

Well you missed my point entirely, but on that subject I know a heap of people who have purchased Apple products because they thought they were cool or assumed they were the best. In fact very few people are tech savy enough to really understand the product they are using. The amount of people that have tried to tell me airpods are the best sounding headphones ever astounds me.

 

[mrochester]

Well you missed my point entirely, but on that subject I know a heap of people who have purchased Apple products because they thought they were cool or assumed they were the best. In fact very few people are tech savy enough to really understand the product they are using.

It’s like I know a heap of people who buy Android phones because they are cheap and haven’t the foggiest what they are getting themselves in for.

 

[Geert76]

Apple make no money from the Facebook app being in the store.

oh common, you know perfectly fine what would happen if Apple would ban Facebook in their App Store due to the massive data breaches lately... okay, I'll bite: it would mean dropping iPhone sales.
Thats why at the moment Apple is perfectly fine with all the Facebook data breaches and so is privacy not really a big deal for Apple Inc.