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But then Apple wouldn't make any money on selling you an adapter or being paid a license fee by another adapter manufacture..


But surveys have shown most folks only have one other headset and Apple gives you one for free and others at essentially their cost of $9.00. It doesn't seem like they thought this diabolical plan to take your money through very carefully.:oops:
 
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Another phone not worth buying Samsung is just as pathetic as Apple. On the bright side at least they aren't greedy enough to use a proprietary port.
Um, USB-C wasn't a "Thing" until LONG AFTER Lightning came around, and Apple was SPECIFICALLY trying (and succeeded) to avoid the (many) downsides of micro-USB when they came up with Lightning.

So you might want to re-read history and give Apple a break...
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No one will need a headphone jack in 10 years on a mobile device. These are early steps. The future is wireless, and it's getting better every day.
Thanks to the W1 chip, and next year, BT 5.
 
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I was wrong, Samsung are idiots and will just copy apple. And here they had an opportunity to offer something other than just copy....

Still my favourite phone i own is the Samsung iron man edition
 
And replacing it with a proprietary solution while the rest of the industry uses a standard (USB C)

You will probably even be able to use Samsung earphones with the new MacBook Pro. :oops:
USB-C didn't exist when Apple created the Lightning connector and protocol to get around issues with Micro-USB.
 
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How do you know? It's not like they've been released or sumthin'. It's almost like the Apple CEO had no experience with supply chain at all. 8-o

I work in a dusty environment. I use my earbuds as noise-cancelling when working with power tools. Then I take them out and drop them and step on them. They are €5 Sony earbuds that have amazing sound quality for the price. I get a few pairs every 6 months because I know I will ruin them. I could just about use something like the "wireless headphones with cable" – like Jaybirds – by pinning them to my shirt. Something like Airpods is 100% unusable for me. I am now rockin' a S7 and the only thing I regret is that I haven't gone with the edge version. If S8 has no headphone jack, they will also have no sale from me – again. My S7 is four months old so far and fully supported so I am not exactly worried just yet, but unless within two years wireless headphones will gently hover next to my head while I am not wearing them – or Apple/Samsung/etc. finally produce something as ingenious as QC12s with magnet keeping them together – there's no way I can use wireless headphones. Unless they cost €5, are connected with a cable and sound as good as my Sony.

This is obviously not mainstream use case. But then most people on this forum don't have mainstream use cases.

You do realize your connecting the two buds together with a cable is as simple as a $2 third party accessory, right?
 
Your sarcasm towards the trollers is pretty obvious to those who follow Apple, but the problem is that trollers won't probably get it that you are poking fun at them.

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm pointing out why the AirPods are an overpriced joke.

They may not realize that the the Airpods are good for 5 hours which is pretty much cross country for most of us who fly on jet airplanes.

Great, so they'll get you gate to gate, as long as you don't listen to anything while waiting in the terminal to board, and god forbid you have a connection.

That assumes you keep them on for without ever taking a break.

I can easily go a 5 hour flight without taking my earbuds out. I was on a 17 hour flight to Australia and had my buds off for two, maybe 3 hours while I tried to get some sleep.


The trollers also won't realize that you get a total of 24 hrs with the holding case and they recharge for 3 more hours with in just 15 minutes.

Oh great, that's 15 minutes I get to spend listening to the baby in the row behind me screaming. Or I could just buy a good wired pair of headphones and not have to hear it.
 
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USB-C didn't exist when Apple created the Lightning connector and protocol to get around issues with Micro-USB.

But Apple had the opportunity to switch from Lightning to USB-C with the iPhone 7.
The only reason i see is, that they will introduce true wireless charging (not this inductive charging puck based BS) with the iPhone 8 and will finally get rid of any external ports.
 
Is it that freaking difficult to add a space after 3.5? It is 3.5 mm. Not 3.5mm. You get an effing squiggly line even, why do you suspect that is?
 
The AirPods are a bloody joke. They don't even have enough battery life to last you on a transcontinental flight in the US.
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm pointing out why the AirPods are an overpriced joke.



Great, so they'll get you gate to gate, as long as you don't listen to anything while waiting in the terminal to board, and god forbid you have a connection.



I can easily go a 5 hour flight without taking my earbuds out. I was on a 17 hour flight to Australia and had my buds off for two, maybe 3 hours while I tried to get some sleep.




Oh great, that's 15 minutes I get to spend listening to the baby in the row behind me screaming. Or I could just buy a good wired pair of headphones and not have to hear it.



OK. Well we at least got your "transcontinental" problem solved for you. As far as "intercontinental," does it seem better now that know you have your 17 hr trip to Australia covered with 7 hrs to spare?
 
What he said isn't an opinion. He was talking about audio quality and nothing else. The other issue is that out of the box, you need an entirely separate dongle that doesn't come with the phone in order use the 3.5 jack and charge at the same time. You also need a dongle that doesn't come with the phone to even plug it into the new MacBook Pro. I'm not sure why you don't get people's issues with this.
Quit using the term "Dongle" inappropriately. That is a slang-term for a device inserted into a port to satisfy DRM.

The proper term is "Adapter". A term that has been with us since the dawn of connectors of all types and in all industries.
 
"Want to know what else it comes with?" Samsung VP Justin Denison asked on stage, mocking the iPhone. "Originality, I'm just saying."
 
We can rip on Samsung all we want for copying Apple. But hey, at least they're using USB-C instead of stupid Lightning.

Apple has been one of the pioneers of USB-C implementation, yet they don't even want to use it in their mobile devices....It's SUCH a HUGE inconvenience!

if you were getting paid millions of dollars a year in royalty for wearing a specific pin on all of your shirts, would you take that pin off and wear a different one?

People like to demand and complain about things a corporation does without really understanding the business implications behind it. Apple is a publicly traded company and they have to maintain and surpass earnings in order to keep wall street and stockholders happy.... Once you go public its like selling your soul to the devil lol.
 
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But Apple had the opportunity to switch from Lightning to USB-C with the iPhone 7.
The only reason i see is, that they will introduce true wireless charging (not this inductive charging puck based BS) with the iPhone 8 and will finally get rid of any external ports.
While I agree with you that the thing that Apple is aiming for is a "sealed" iPhone, I disagree that they should have switched from Lightning to USB-C with the iPhone 7. Well maybe "should" is somewhat incorrect. I think that what happened was that the iPhone 7 was well-along in its design and approval process before the final decision was made to make the new MBPs USB-C-ONLY, and so there was still a reasonable distinction between the I/O needs of the two product-groups.

But I would be surprised if Lightning survives another generation, dropped in favor of USB-C.
 
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But he's not wrong.

Wired headphone technology is better than wireless

EXCEPT in regards to having the wire. And for many, That's fine. But at the end of the day, The wired headset will technically offer better technical results. Far less latency. Greater "bandwidth" (if you're doing digital), wider range of sound compatibility (no compression since analogue signals can be sent directly). You can also have the lack of batteries to charge and wired headphones without batteries will have longer lifespans (since batteries all have limited cycles of charge)

the cost of wired is also significantly less as you don't need to provide batteries and electronics for digital to analogue conversion and the wireless signal, meaning more of the costs can be towards better quality sounds / drivers / wires etc.

I'm not saying that wired is for everyone. Many times wireless headsets offer compelling reason to accept its' tradeoffs. Being freedom from wires.

But at the end of the day, To claim as "FACT" that wireless is better than wired is fundamentally untrue and is based on as much opinion as the guy you are referring to

I think the thing to keep in mind is that to move to the next level with wireless [headphones / speakers], we need Apple and several other manufacturers to force the issue. I agree that there are numerous negatives with current BT wireless tech, but it has improved significantly, even over the last few years. I would bet that we'll see far more improvements over the coming year, because Apple and Samsung drive the bandwidth to make it possible.

And as much as it's easy to point out the issues with current BT headsets, just think about the wired headphones we've all used for the past 5, 10, 20 or more years (assuming you've been alive long enough). The one thing that has been the weak link with every pair of headphones I've ever owned...is the connection wire. Either the wire ended up fraying at the plug, or pulling out of the headphone itself, or some break happens within the cord, so that sound can't be transferred. There have been some other issues, such as the ear piece breaking or falling off, but I remember every wired set having issues.

If I did some simple math, in my lifetime I've likely bought and used at least 37 headsets (1 per year starting when I was 13) and they've all suffered the same fate. Over the past couple of years, I've switched from wired to wireless (headsets and headphones) and can say that all my current 5 BT headphones / sets, still work. The wired Apple headphones that came with the iPhones I upgrade to each year get passed to my kids, and I've watched the same thing happen with them - they all survive a few months before they're looking for a new pair.

Perhaps I'm tough on my headphones, but I don't think it's anything outside of the norm. I work and travel and headphones went into and out of briefcases and backpacks. And all the other tech items I've had, I keep in pretty perfect condition, so I think it's easy to point to the wired headsets as the weak link.
 
if you were getting paid millions of dollars a year in royalty for wearing a specific pin on all of your shirts, would you take that pin off and wear a different one?

People like to demand and complain about things a corporation does without really understanding the business implications behind it. Apple is a publicly traded company and they have to maintain and surpass earnings in order to keep wall street and stockholders happy.... Once you go public its like selling your soul to the devil lol.

Not sure what you're trying to say, but it has nothing to do with USB-C implementation. Apple has the capacity to put USB-C into their phones. It's even been confirmed that they tested iPhone 7 units with USB-C, they just chose against it. All Apple seems to care about these days is "thinness." What they should really focus on, however, is ease-of-use.
 
Quit using the term "Dongle" inappropriately. That is a slang-term for a device inserted into a port to satisfy DRM.

The proper term is "Adapter". A term that has been with us since the dawn of connectors of all types and in all industries.
You really got me there. That totally helped prove a point.
 
I think the thing to keep in mind is that to move to the next level with wireless [headphones / speakers], we need Apple and several other manufacturers to force the issue. I agree that there are numerous negatives with current BT wireless tech, but it has improved significantly, even over the last few years. I would bet that we'll see far more improvements over the coming year, because Apple and Samsung drive the bandwidth to make it possible.

And as much as it's easy to point out the issues with current BT headsets, just think about the wired headphones we've all used for the past 5, 10, 20 or more years (assuming you've been alive long enough). The one thing that has been the weak link with every pair of headphones I've ever owned...is the connection wire. Either the wire ended up fraying at the plug, or pulling out of the headphone itself, or some break happens within the cord, so that sound can't be transferred. There have been some other issues, such as the ear piece breaking or falling off, but I remember every wired set having issues.

If I did some simple math, in my lifetime I've likely bought and used at least 37 headsets (1 per year starting when I was 13) and they've all suffered the same fate. Over the past couple of years, I've switched from wired to wireless (headsets and headphones) and can say that all my current 5 BT headphones / sets, still work. The wired Apple headphones that came with the iPhones I upgrade to each year get passed to my kids, and I've watched the same thing happen with them - they all survive a few months before they're looking for a new pair.

Perhaps I'm tough on my headphones, but I don't think it's anything outside of the norm. I work and travel and headphones went into and out of briefcases and backpacks. And all the other tech items I've had, I keep in pretty perfect condition, so I think it's easy to point to the wired headsets as the weak link.

oh, don't get me wrong, Wireless headphones Are great in a LOT of situations. I use a pair when i'm mowing the lawn, cleaning aruodn the house, working out, etc

But when i'm sitting at my desk? I always opt for wired for the benefits that come with wired.

I also try and buy headsets that have replacable wires, cause I have killed a few due to failing wires (though, I do often repair them myself).

it all comes down to acceptible trade offs of either and how good/ bad those trad offs affect your own results. i'm just arguing that the "FACT" argument that was being made was pointless and untrue.
 
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm pointing out why the AirPods are an overpriced joke.



Great, so they'll get you gate to gate, as long as you don't listen to anything while waiting in the terminal to board, and god forbid you have a connection.



I can easily go a 5 hour flight without taking my earbuds out. I was on a 17 hour flight to Australia and had my buds off for two, maybe 3 hours while I tried to get some sleep.




Oh great, that's 15 minutes I get to spend listening to the baby in the row behind me screaming. Or I could just buy a good wired pair of headphones and not have to hear it.

If flying long distances, I'd recommend a pair of BT active noise canceling headphones. I've been using Plantronics BackBeat Pro headphones for the past couple of years for the international traveling I do. They provide 24 hours of battery life, including while using active noise cancelation, so long flights are no issue. On my last flight from Istanbul to Chicago (~12 hours), I wore them the whole time, using them for 5 hours with just the noise cancelation, so I could sleep without hearing the roar. There are others out there as well that perform similarly.
 
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Here, I fixed a part of the article:
[A few very vocal] iPhone users have not been happy with the removal of the headphone jack, a fact that Samsung took advantage of when announcing the now-defunct Galaxy Note 7. "Want to know what else it comes with?" Samsung VP Justin Denison asked on stage, mocking the iPhone. "An audio jack, I'm just saying."
 
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