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Samsung's OLED Display Monopoly May Explain iPhone 8's Rumored $1,000 Price
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Nothing stopping any company on advancing their tech. The word monopoly here is being misunderstood by some posters.
It's a simple case of supple and demand. Apple can use any screen they want. But if they want Samsung's OLED, then they have to pay what Samsung wants to charge. Samsung, in turn, needs to accept whatever decision Apple makes in the short and long term.
Apple can also choose to make less margin. And if they don't and raise the price to where their phones sell less, that's their decision.
It's a simple case of supple and demand. Apple can use any screen they want. But if they want Samsung's OLED, then they have to pay what Samsung wants to charge. Samsung, in turn, needs to accept whatever decision Apple makes in the short and long term.
Apple can also choose to make less margin. And if they don't and raise the price to where their phones sell less, that's their decision.
Samsung does not have a monopoly. They just invested more heavily in fabrication for small devices. Apple could source 10% of their displays from LG if they wanted to. They don't by choice.
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That is nuts when converted to dollars. I sure as hell wouldn't pay $1309.30. Nope.
God, I hope not! I mean, the new iPhone would just be a miserable failure if one could unlock it using a Facebook profile photo of the owner, as can easily be done with the new Note.
ERM where do I start?
Firstly I agree that Apple is not a charity and is a business HOWEVER that does not mean they get to make as much profit as they can. Secondly they do have a responsibility to their shareholders, HOWEVER their shareholders are not poor people who need the income. They tend to be rich elite people and businesses.
They tend to have thousands and thousands and thousands of shares and therefore if you have that sort of money to chuck at shares then you do not need it.
It is therefore greed to support the elite lifestyle of the rich. The sort of person who buys a Ferrari then a month later has to buy another one just even better just because their neighbour has bought one.
I also wish to say that Apple have more money in their bank accounts than most countries do. They do not need such vast profits, they have more than enough at the moment. So if they were to reduce their profit margins a bit then they would likely sell more than they do now and would still mean profits for the shareholders. Even if not a much as now it is still something, considering that like I say the shareholders do not need that income form the shares.
Their has to be a point when a company with the wealth of Apple has to admit it is growing the pile more than they can spend it.
Time to do something with that pile and time to stop charging customers the stupid high prices that they do.
So you are wrong and totally wrong.
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So you agree with the profits that Apple make and the stupid high prices that Apple charge?
Actually it is more fitting to start with the base model. You have to remember when increasing the sizes of the screen in proportion to reducing there bezel you can get a larger screen in the same frame. A example is the Samsung S8 it went from 5.1" to 5.8" and had rougly the same deminsions. With Apple getting rid of the lip present on phones like the S8 it is not impossible it will be around the same physical size of the iPhone 7 or slightly larger. The rumored 6.3" OLED due for release in 2018 is the "plus" comparrasion.
I did see a leaked product sheet that said the iPhone X edition would retail for 959.99 (edit just saw that it said may be 960-1260 if so NOT THAT PHONE.) however. Seems odd both Samsung and apples Premium phones may be the same price. I won't be surprised when next year the flagship iPhones retain starting at 750 & 860 now.
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That's true in part, but I don't think any other vendor is going to be 50+ million units, so you may want to flex on your price a little.
Very different products for different markets.
LG makes WOLED based large TV displays.
White OLED uses a blue LED as its basis for creating white. Basically, they're using either RGB OLEDs or Blue OLED+Yellow to create white light, which then passes through RGB filters to create colored dots again.
It's like setting a Galaxy phone display to all white and then using colored filters on top to make colors. While it makes it easier to have good screen yields, it's a power wasteful method and thus only used on TV sets.
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Samsung makes smaller regular OLED based high resolution displays for battery powered smartphones.
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As for the iPhone 8, I thought that the primary problem was the yield after cutting out the top notch. That's what makes those displays cost more.
Well 1 billion people for starters that buy anything but iPhone (mind you I am an iPhone user) , it is overpriced by my standard because one simple fact one iPhone HD wise costs roughly 230$ to build ,one Samsung or Lg or HTC costs around 260-270$ ,apple sells the iPhone for 1000+$ without taxes ,the other manufacturers sell at 600-800$ with taxes with the only difference that one phone has iOS and the others android and that is what I call overpriced, you cannot sell to me a phone with a price 400-600$ higher based only on your SW.
You can buy anything you want I never said anything about what you can or should buy, just don't try to justify or make excuses for Apple and their pricing of the iPhone.
I don't know what programs and how much you actually pay for an iPhone in the USA but in Europe where I live is a different ball game.
yes bad terms I used not a real replacement but I see it as competing with the plus model still being its a 5.8" screen. Even though it is slightly larger than the 4.6" model they will still have.
I never expected them to base the cost of the 5.8" off the base 4.6"
so you believe they are making the 5.8" phone to be the replacement for the 4.6 eventually?
I never saw it being this way even though its slightly bigger overall its still bigger. going from a 4.6" screen to 5.8" will be a big change for those people and not so much 5.5 to 5.8 besides feeling much better in your hand. I think next year they won't have the bezels on any of the phones which size do you think they will drop then? 5.8 and 6.3" like the samsungs? with possibly a 4.6" SE phone kept in.
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I don't think you understand your own argument. Could Apple produce their own screens for their own phones if they wished?
Given their resources, yes probably.
What happens when the next iteration in screen technology comes along, should Apple produce that and abandon what they had been previously making, close those factories?
How about instead of refining an ARM based chip design into an A-Series processor they actually manufacturer them, then Intel (or AMD) gets it's act together in 5 years years time the processor landscape has changed and ARM isn't important?, should Apple throw those chip fabrication factories on the fire?
The point is Apple wants next to zero eggs in the basket going forward; if technology changes and old tech goes by the wayside hey, at least it isn't Apple's problem.
Yea good for them, bad for "us." By us I mean those here on MR, who will have to endure countless comparisons, and threads such as, "I got stuck with an LG screen... should I return it?????"
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Apple would want to diversify their supply line wether or not Samsung was gouging.
Only good smart business sense to gouge while they have the upper hand, because that upper hand wont last.
Some people use their TV more than their computer and have a family that uses it as well.
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So the big question. How many will plunk down and extra $100-200 for an OLED screen over the LCD? I will, but mine is a business expense and deductible.