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Apple's belief that 30-40% profit margins on their handsets is why the price is so high.

Apple could easily afford to drop that by a couple percentage points and have a sub $1000 phone with OLED display.

I imagine the phone will start at $949 and you'll be able to push it over 1k but we'll find out next Tuesday
 
I imagine the phone will start at $949 and you'll be able to push it over 1k but we'll find out next Tuesday

Around where I predict it too. I'm predicting a $999 price, but that $50 difference betweenn us is really just up to Apple's whim at this point. either are believable.
 
ERM where do I start?
Firstly I agree that Apple is not a charity and is a business HOWEVER that does not mean they get to make as much profit as they can. Secondly they do have a responsibility to their shareholders, HOWEVER their shareholders are not poor people who need the income. They tend to be rich elite people and businesses.

Actually many Apple share are held by funds that are part of people's 401Ks and other retirement accounts. And yes, those people do need and deserve their retirement income.
 
They had so many years to diversify their OLED display supply. I mean, it was a no brainer that they were heading towards OLED from LCD and they still did nothing until recently? Android handset manufacturers have been using OLED/AMOLED displays for many years now. Shame on you Apple.

Actually, Apple's long term strategy is mLED. This is a stepping stone.
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It's my understanding that although Kodak did invent the first OLEDs, the technology and methods they used to do it are very different from how Samsung and LG make them today so there's not really an overlap.

Yes, the current OLED was invented by DuPont back in the early 2000's. Samsung did not invent OLED, just built more efficient ways to produce them.
 
You clearly haven't watched reviews of the V30. That screen is quality for their first crack at it..
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I doubt Samsung will give Apple a panel that's better than what's on their own devices.

They give Apple chips that are better than their own devices....
 
In Australia the iPhone is already over $1K. $1.2 or $1.5K for the 7+'s. This will just bump it up a bit more. 8 I'm looking forward to. Will last 4 years like my current 6+.
 
I thought there was just this one Japanese company that made the machines that make OLED panels and they are supplying Samsung because Samsung had the foresight to buy their max capacity...? Apple slept too long and now it's the Apple customers who will pay for that miscalculation.
... unfortunately, you may literally be right about that. Apple users will still pay for that miscalculation.
 
Well 1 billion people for starters that buy anything but iPhone (mind you I am an iPhone user) , it is overpriced by my standard because one simple fact one iPhone HD wise costs roughly 230$ to build ,one Samsung or Lg or HTC costs around 260-270$ ,apple sells the iPhone for 1000+$ without taxes ,the other manufacturers sell at 600-800$ with taxes with the only difference that one phone has iOS and the others android and that is what I call overpriced, you cannot sell to me a phone with a price 400-600$ higher based only on your SW.

You can buy anything you want I never said anything about what you can or should buy, just don't try to justify or make excuses for Apple and their pricing of the iPhone.

Then the iPhone is overpriced to them, and they have every right to vote that way and buy something else. By your own admission, the iPhone was a greater value to you than you gave up, and by definition you gained by buying it, and therefore it was not overpriced, even if you wish it was cheaper, or think their margins are too big for your liking.

Other manufacturers have a commodity OS, and they're not able to charge what Apple can. And you couldn't pay me to use them, because the software, and in many cases the hardware as well, are garbage. To me. For my uses. Apple certainly can sell a phone at whatever premium people, you and me included, are willing to pay, and if that park up comes out to $600 or whatever, that's what it is. And I can say that it's not overpriced, because the only reason I bought it was because it was worth more to me than the money I gave up to get it. We gained by getting it, that's why both of us bought it. It was underpriced. To us. For our uses.

Point is, it's not your place to assess whether something is overpriced or not, unless you're confining your analysis to your own use case, and your actions match your words. You can't tell me its overpriced for me, when I bought it, and don't regret it one bit.

I don't know what programs and how much you actually pay for an iPhone in the USA but in Europe where I live is a different ball game.

I buy my phones outright, at full price. If it's more expensive in Europe, it's a result of their own regulatory burdens, and they deserve to pay more.

Apple would want to diversify their supply line wether or not Samsung was gouging.

Sure, all else being equal, but investing billions into other suppliers just to make sure there's more than one, when the primary supplier is giving you a good ideal? I don't think so. Plus it's not like Samsung has one machine, or one plant making these things. There's a bunch, and they're all over, and the only difference you get when buying from another company is Management of supplies, and slightly different technologies/processes.

Only good smart business sense to gouge while they have the upper hand, because that upper hand wont last.

They don't have to lose it, but they can if they like.
 
Samsung outsells Apple in volume and has been primarily using AMOLED on most of their devices for a few years.

not sure what you're trying to say.

Not all of Samsung's phones are OLED though. How many OLED panel phones has Samsung shipped? Apple sells 50-80M iPhones per quarter. That's a crap ton of OLED and that's in addition to what Samsung needs itself.
 
Not all of Samsung's phones are OLED though. How many OLED panel phones has Samsung shipped? Apple sells 50-80M iPhones per quarter. That's a crap ton of OLED and that's in addition to what Samsung needs itself.

Not sure on how many of their devices use OLED. and yes, Anytime Apple decides to buy in, there's going to be a big volume bump. curious to know if Samsung can handle it.
 
Not sure on how many of their devices use OLED. and yes, Anytime Apple decides to buy in, there's going to be a big volume bump. curious to know if Samsung can handle it.

Right. There will be shortages and I was replying to the OP the reason why.
 
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What happened to Apple's fighting spirit in the vein of Ed Cue's "very aggressive negotiation tactics" to demand a better price?
 
Not all of Samsung's phones are OLED though. How many OLED panel phones has Samsung shipped? Apple sells 50-80M iPhones per quarter. That's a crap ton of OLED and that's in addition to what Samsung needs itself.

But the OLED iPhone will be a fraction of the phones that Apple sells a quarter the vast majority will be traditional.
 
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In the context of number of available OLEDs, it doesn't matter. OLEDs will be constrained because of how many iPhones Apple will sell.
Their allegedly constrained now because they’re relying solely on Samsung. So my original comment was in response to that report. But like I had commented, had they partenered years earlier with other OLED manufacturers then the issue could have been, perhaps not resolved but, mitigated.

To be clear, the partnership I would have expected from Apple would have been exactly what has been reported recently where LG has been tapped by Apple to build a OLED display factory. The shameful part is that this effort is too late and now availability is going to be even more so severely scarce.
 
Their allegedly constrained now because they’re relying solely on Samsung. So my original comment was in response to that report. But like I had commented, had they partenered years earlier with other OLED manufacturers then the issue could have been, perhaps not resolved but, mitigated.

To be clear, the partnership I would have expected from Apple would have been exactly what has been reported recently where LG has been tapped by Apple to build a OLED display factory. The shameful part is that this effort is too late and now availability is going to be even more so severely scarce.

You don't think Apple has thought of that? We don't know what kind of discussions they had with their partners. We don't know what kind of quality Apple requires. The truth is Samsung has the best OLEDs right now. If other vendors could provide the same quality, Apple would have diversified.
 
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