How does a user-replaceable battery guarantee that it will be properly disposed of?
If anybody can replace the battery, then there's a good chance the duff one will end up in the kitchen bin.
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San Francisco to Block Most Municipal Mac Purchases Following Apple's EPEAT Withdrawal
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How does a user-replaceable battery guarantee that it will be properly disposed of?
If anybody can replace the battery, then there's a good chance the duff one will end up in the kitchen bin.
If they can't be safely removed and recycled, then Apple has a much bigger problem on its hands: they will lose the capacity to sell any products within the EU. This applies to their iPads and iPhones as well. The fact that they can sell their products within the EU means that not only can they be safely removed and recycled, but that Apple will have demonstrated that they can be.
This nonsense that the Apple products are unable to be recycled is just that, nonsense. They just don't happen to follow EPEATS silly made up rules.
How true. Reminds me of my local Village Board.
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LOL. So true. Everyones panties are in a knot over glass, metal, and batteries. It's about the tools required to take apart the glass, metal, and batteries.
Starting with the stupid ass glued in batteries of the MBP Retina.
...and we wonder why Bob is retiring?
You're right of course. The money is much better spent on hiring people to support the equipment, than buying equipment that does not need the same level of support.
Before you go insane on me, I've worked in several positions over the years where we had fewer Mac techs than PC techs to support the same amount of hardware. Also, they are going to spend money on hardware AND software with this decision (Mac software ain't gonna run on those shiny new windows boxes).
Also, there will be some training when trying to switch Mac users to the Windows platform. I have a feeling that the training will be from attrition. Once you go Mac, you never go back... So, all in all an economic loss, which is a waste of resources. I guess San Fran isn't as caring about the environment as they claim to be.
If I were Apple, I'd intentionally not sell them iOS devices to assist them in saving tax payer money.
No you wouldn't because you'd be a business and be out to make money. Too many people make the mistake of thinking these massive corporations give a damn about consumers.
Is it legal?
Can SF ban the purchase of a product because the manuf refuses to pay a third party for a non legal and non standards stamp? Apple has the lawyers, to bad they won't pursue it.
Can SF ban the purchase of a product because the manuf refuses to pay a third party for a non legal and non standards stamp? Apple has the lawyers, to bad they won't pursue it.
Why won't they? They've went after every other microscopic detail under the sun this past year.
They aren't banning the purchase. They simply won't reimburse any office of the city that purchases Apple laptops and desktops.
Again - why is this so hard to understand. Or are people not reading the actual article.
There's no ban. This is no different than any company saying they will only reimburse employees who use X travel agency because that's who they are set up with as a vendor.
The city adheres to EPEAT's approvals - for better or worse. It's not remotely illegal.
It's about time that Apple experiences some push back, and consequences.
As much as I have enjoyed their computers year after year, on more than one occasion they've pulled stunts like this.
Anyone here, that's a true Apple enthusiast as I am, knows that not that long ago they were blowing their horn over how green they were. That was a very powerful statement and one that I hoped was true.
Now the truth comes out, and once again it's the money that's more important than anything else.
Before you attack saying "corporations are supposed to make as much as possible" or some other obvious statement. Save it. I work for a very well respected International Fortune 500 company. I know what "responsible" corporations do.
I'm very passionate about Apple and this looks bad and is simply unacceptable. If I didn't care, I wouldn't post.
It's as simple as that
As much as I have enjoyed their computers year after year, on more than one occasion they've pulled stunts like this.
Anyone here, that's a true Apple enthusiast as I am, knows that not that long ago they were blowing their horn over how green they were. That was a very powerful statement and one that I hoped was true.
Now the truth comes out, and once again it's the money that's more important than anything else.
Before you attack saying "corporations are supposed to make as much as possible" or some other obvious statement. Save it. I work for a very well respected International Fortune 500 company. I know what "responsible" corporations do.
I'm very passionate about Apple and this looks bad and is simply unacceptable. If I didn't care, I wouldn't post.
It's as simple as that
It's about time that Apple experiences some push back, and consequences.
As much as I have enjoyed their computers year after year, on more than one occasion they've pulled stunts like this.
Anyone here, that's a true Apple enthusiast as I am, knows that not that long ago they were blowing their horn over how green they were. That was a very powerful statement and one that I hoped was true.
Now the truth comes out, and once again it's the money that's more important than anything else.
Before you attack saying "corporations are supposed to make as much as possible" or some other obvious statement. Save it. I work for a very well respected International Fortune 500 company. I know what "responsible" corporations do.
I'm very passionate about Apple and this looks bad and is simply unacceptable. If I didn't care, I wouldn't post.
It's as simple as that
I think you're missing the point. EPEAT standards were created years ago and Apple was part of the process. Time and manufacturing techniques have changed and improved, but the standards have remained the same. Would you support an organization who's standards no longer make sense or quite possibly have been eclipsed by newer/better processes? I know I wouldn't.
If meeting the standards means we'd be stuck with a 4 or more year old laptop design, then I think the answer is simple - the standards need to change. This doesn't mean it will be a net negative position and could very well be that recycling Apple products requires a different process.
EPEAT was created to allow recycling of parts and minimize electronic junk in landfills, but aren't Apple computers sold in far lower numbers and generally considered premium products that people hold onto and use for far longer than the typical throw-away pc? And if Apple takes back (for recycling) old Apple computers, perhaps EPEAT has zero value to the brand and to organizations like San Francisco city government.
Shame on them (SF) for making an uninformed decision - but I guess that is the hallmark of any governmental group.
The article says only 1-2% of the city's computers are Macs. I hardly call this switching to a completely different platform.
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Enjoy your new PC! Apple does quite a bit for the environment as most people know. Screw EPEAT! I hope more companies follow Apple!
Even though the effect will be small, Apple WILL lose business because of this. If it were never a major marketing point, then it wouldn't matter so much, but because apple really ran with this....
I'm wondering is Steve would have allowed such a decision without shouting and crying.
I'm wondering is Steve would have allowed such a decision without shouting and crying.
Yes, I would. Being out to make money does not mean you stand on a dollar to pick up a dime. I would make it clear that everyone that follows their example has no place in wasting my time as a business. SF has no idea what they are doing, and if they are going to try and throw a fit because they think they know what's best in the manufacturing arena, I'd take my marbles and play elsewhere.
This is NOT an environmental issue on Apple's part. I've already explained how it is on San Frans part (wasted resources). This is not about what's best for the consumer. This is about a tiny little insignificant bureaucracy trying to appear relevant and make a statement without knowing what it's talking about (see San Fran).
Pardon the pun, but I bet someone in EPEAT got but hurt and threw a tantrum at someone that works for San Fran. This is likely the cause of this policy.
I eat windows 7 all day
its fast, stable, easy to use. And can handle all the heavy lifting I do that osx can't 
This is what I was referring to when I commended "Excluding software...
"Sure, you *could* find an all-in-one for under $500 that *looks* like an iMac, but with "the same features"? Doesn't the FTC block the import of such Chinese knockoff garbage at the border? I thought they did...
This is what I was referring to when I commended "Excluding software...
Sure, you *could* find an all-in-one for under $500 that *looks* like an iMac, but with "the same features"? Doesn't the FTC block the import of such Chinese knockoff garbage at the border? I thought they did...
The question is, does a municipality need those features from their desktops, not if you can find a PC with the same featureset for a lower price.
Look before you speak....
- http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-information/environment/recycling-reuse.html
- http://content.dell.com/us/en/corp/dell-environment-recycling
- http://campuslife.asus.com/index/5284/how-to-recycle-your-asus-pc/
- http://www.vizio.com/environment/
- http://www.lenovo.com/social_responsibility/us/en/product_recycling_program.html
Why do so many Apple fans assume that Apple is better than other companies, without taking a few seconds to check facts?
[rhetorical question - we know the answer]
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San Francisco is not forcing anyone to adhere to a standard their products do not meet. Where do people keep coming up with this stuff ? EPEAT is optional, Apple chose to not certify their products for it anymore, San Francisco requires it for purchases.
No one is forced to do anything. San Francisco chose their policy, Apple chose theirs, EPEAT chose what their standard covers. Everyone gets to live with the consequences of these choices.
I have to call BS on this one.
In a past life, I used to work IT for a fairly large company that deployed mostly Macs. They leased all the computers, and if one ever went down for any reason, they could get a replacement within a few hours, or a day at the most.
Will this work for all companies? No. But it's an option.
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Simple. Phillips heads SUCK ASS!
Ever strip one trying to undo a screw? I've stripped several. In fact, since most phillips screws are cheap, soft ones, they'll strip a little bit each time you unfasten it, no matter how careful you are.
Torx are much less likely to strip, and they are pretty much standard in cars.
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I never understood why Apple took all their products off the certification, old and new, when the only product that didn't make it was the new Retina MacBook Pro. Other Macs and MacBooks qualified just fine, so why not keep those sales to governments and schools going and to just exclude the Retina MacBook? It doesn't make any sense.