Saudi Prince Meets Tim Cook at Apple Park to Discuss Education and App Development Opportunities

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman met with Tim Cook and other top Apple executives on Saturday at the company's new Apple Park headquarters in Cupertino to discuss app development, education, and other partnership opportunities (via Saudi Press Agency).

    For the Saudi prince and his entourage of officials, the visit was part of a whirlwind tour that included stops to visit Virgin founder Richard Branson, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and CEO Sundar Pichai, and Magic Leap founder Rony Abovitz.


    According to the press release, the aim of the discussion with Apple executives was to talk about technological solutions for "enriching the Arabic educational content in the classroom" as well as the creation of an educational curriculum for Saudi schools. The meeting also covered the potential creation of job opportunities for Saudi youths who received their training at Apple's headquarters.

    The themes are broadly consistent with Apple's most recent focus on education at its Chicago event last month, where the company revealed its Everyone Can Create curriculum alongside its most affordable iPad with Apple Pencil support.

    Following the meeting, members of the official delegation received technology-led presentations on Apple's work in the areas of health and marketing, before visiting the Steve Jobs Theater to learn more about Apple's "modern voice applications", which is likely a reference to the Siri digital assistant.

    Apple is known to have been in discussions with Saudi Arabia to open its first retail store in the country as soon as 2019. State officials are said to be in licensing discussions with both Apple and Amazon in an effort to entice major technology companies into the country.

    Saudi Arabia also recently lifted a ban on FaceTime and other services that provide access to calling someone over the internet, as part of government efforts attempting to attract more business to the country.

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  2. Rocketman macrumors 603


    What interests me is they want Apple to train their citizens at Apple HQ at their own expense and then have the trained employee return to Saudi. For product support and paying forward on local training so more product sales result, that might make sense, but as a general principal, no.

    Besides, they might actually like the USA better. :D

    We should attach green cards to all non-citizen advanced degrees from now on and retroactively 5-7 years.
  3. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Feb 2, 2009
    Toronto, Ontario
    Tim of course brought up gender discrimination, horrible treatment of gays, and other social issues that currently plague SA, Oh wait..
  4. Kaibelf macrumors 68020


    Apr 29, 2009
    Silicon Valley, CA
    With the Crown Prince who's actively and very controversially (at home) pushing for women's equal rights and a modernization of Saudi culture across the board you mean? Because he is, you know. It's been in the news quite a bit. But hey, as long as you can ignore that in order to attack Tim...

    And on that note let's not lie and pretend like things are some kind of equality utopia here either, with the rampant racism, obvious (and embarrassing) gender pay disparity and people STILL trying to strip away marital rights from gay couples like spousal health care in the name of the church.
  5. filmantopia macrumors 6502a


    Feb 5, 2010
    Wow, look at that body language on each side of the table.
  6. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Feb 2, 2009
    Toronto, Ontario

    Really pushing the dial forward there, maybe Tim only saves his moral outrage for the US.

    As for women, they still have to be assigned to a man, disgusting. Oh but they can drive now so it's all better.
  7. Rocketman, Apr 8, 2018
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2018

    Rocketman macrumors 603


    I believe that ends in June of this year. I saw several Saudi women on TV (probably either CNBC or FoxNoise) who allow some opposing views to the the liberal story line to leak through occasionally.

    The Saudi progress is slow but real.

    Pay disparity by gender in the USA is not gender discrimination. It is caused by lifestyle choices by women regarding raising children. That's all. Please do not expect women to ignore their instinct to care for children to achieve some militant or resistance view of pay equality.

    The other story fills otherwise silent time on 24 hour "news". As do many "straw man" arguements.
  8. pruppert macrumors 6502


    Jan 30, 2008
  9. AxiomaticRubric macrumors 6502


    Sep 24, 2010
    On Mars, Praising the Omnissiah
  10. Noctilux.95 macrumors 6502a

    Jan 20, 2010
    Never thought I'd see "Saudi Prince and Education" in the same sentence. Like seeing Hitler in an ad for human rights.
  11. ugahairydawgs macrumors 68030


    Jun 10, 2010
    Am I the only one that fixated on the fact that Apple runs their conference room screen off an iMac Pro?
  12. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 13, 2009
    Cook should make any deal contingent on the Saudis putting up billboards to advertise pride watch bands.
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    Ah, Tim only goes full SJW when it does not hurt the bottom line. Profit >>> virtue signaling.
  13. kstotlani macrumors 6502a

    Oct 27, 2006
    Just in case everyone forgot where they are, here is the Apple logo on the projector.
  14. macfacts macrumors 68040


    Oct 7, 2012
    All that will do is lower wages for those workers. Their green card will depend on what their employer says, so those potential green card holders will work longer, harder, and for less pay than other American workers.

    Then the American can't get a job unless he accepts a lower pay cause he will be competing with those potential green card holders.

    Only winners are the companies that get to pay workers less.
  15. BWhaler, Apr 8, 2018
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2018

    BWhaler macrumors 68030


    Jan 8, 2003
    For all the easy and well deserved criticism of products under Tim Cooke’s Apple, e.g. portable keyboards, Siri, software quality and behind on AI and general software innovation, poor cloud strategy and execution, et al., the one thing that should be celebrated is how Tim brings strong moral compass and leadership.

    Exhibit A: This meeting with the Saudis

    The fact that Apple brought two women to a meeting with the Saudis where their culture doesn’t allow women in these roles was wonderful. Most companies would have brought exclusively men because it would help sell their tech;stock/whatever.

    But not Tim.

    I love Tim Cooke’s Apple. I just wish they weren’t so crappy at software...
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    Lol. Nice catch.

    Pretty wasteful. And why an iMac at all? Speakers aren’t going to stand behind A 27 Screen. Most cutting-edge offices use streaming nowadays.

    Odd choice by Apple.
  16. DeepIn2U macrumors 603


    May 30, 2002
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Well there is nothing stopping SA citizen's from utilizing iTunes U ... so I see no issue with educating them at Apple at Apple's expense. Get them into the Apple ecocsystem of culture and let them freely spread this at home just prior to Apple store opening officially within SA and BOOM you'll see the explosion of users and sales therein. Trojan horse anyone, self inviting Trojan horse? Remember their looking at ALL major USA tech companies not just Apple. They could get into bed with Google and settle there.

    Thank you!

    So you're only focusing on the citizen's that resist change vs what the crown prince is slowly changing. Change happening slowly is usually the easiest and the most permanent kind of change - completely sucks I know but that's human nature. Just look at what Apple has done with technology ... slow changes.

    Still women in SA being able to drive themselves is a VERY big change for freedom, something I think a lot of us in western countries take for seriously granted. Let's see how this plays out over the next few years.

    Personally I think it's a great move for Apple and at least we get to see more inside Apple Park campus.
  17. Altis macrumors 68030

    Sep 10, 2013
    The "pay disparity" (AKA the earnings gap) isn't anything but the result of people's free choices.
  18. pat500000 Suspended


    Jun 3, 2015
    Prince: “where’s my mac pro?!”
    Tim: “.....” with his goofy smile.
  19. imageWIS macrumors 65816

    Mar 17, 2009
    It's for re-education.
  20. canadianreader macrumors 6502a


    Sep 24, 2014
    The fact that the prince is sitting across the table with an openly gay person says a lot about his will to change things up a least a bit.
  21. rafark macrumors 6502a


    Sep 1, 2017
    Looks like the ones on the left are the dominating ones.[​IMG]
  22. imageWIS macrumors 65816

    Mar 17, 2009
    He has no choice, Cook is the CEO of Apple. He has to deal with Cook, period.
  23. iReality85 macrumors 6502a

    Apr 29, 2008
    Upstate NY
    Judging from the comments here, a lot of people haven’t been reading the news lately.

    At least Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) is trying. Nor is he his father, and isn’t fond of the religious hardliners. He’s young and wants progressive change, which, for a middle eastern nation is a good thing. He had a very western style upbringing due to his family and wealth, and that’s fortunate for the rest of the world since MBS wants to import western culture to Saudi Arabia.

    By the way, importing western culture is exactly what the US has tried to do ever since Iraq, to slow effect. It is always more effective when it occurs internally and organically, like we see here.

    Yes, Saudi Arabia holds the blame for spreading Wahhabism, and from that the proliferation of the bin Laden family, al Qaeda, and terrorism. Most of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudis. But a future where Saudis can move beyond the past is a good one.
  24. quietstormSD macrumors 6502a


    Mar 2, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    What about the Apple guy in the blue closest to the shot. Poor guy is trying to get in on the discussion from off to the side.
  25. Naraxus macrumors 6502a


    Oct 13, 2016
    I think that's Phil Schiller

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