Saudi Prince Meets Tim Cook at Apple Park to Discuss Education and App Development Opportunities

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Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman met with Tim Cook and other top Apple executives on Saturday at the company's new Apple Park headquarters in Cupertino to discuss app development, education, and other partnership opportunities (via Saudi Press Agency).

For the Saudi prince and his entourage of officials, the visit was part of a whirlwind tour that included stops to visit Virgin founder Richard Branson, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and CEO Sundar Pichai, and Magic Leap founder Rony Abovitz.


According to the press release, the aim of the discussion with Apple executives was to talk about technological solutions for "enriching the Arabic educational content in the classroom" as well as the creation of an educational curriculum for Saudi schools. The meeting also covered the potential creation of job opportunities for Saudi youths who received their training at Apple's headquarters.

The themes are broadly consistent with Apple's most recent focus on education at its Chicago event last month, where the company revealed its Everyone Can Create curriculum alongside its most affordable iPad with Apple Pencil support.

Following the meeting, members of the official delegation received technology-led presentations on Apple's work in the areas of health and marketing, before visiting the Steve Jobs Theater to learn more about Apple's "modern voice applications", which is likely a reference to the Siri digital assistant.

Apple is known to have been in discussions with Saudi Arabia to open its first retail store in the country as soon as 2019. State officials are said to be in licensing discussions with both Apple and Amazon in an effort to entice major technology companies into the country.

Saudi Arabia also recently lifted a ban on FaceTime and other services that provide access to calling someone over the internet, as part of government efforts attempting to attract more business to the country.

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Rocketman

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What interests me is they want Apple to train their citizens at Apple HQ at their own expense and then have the trained employee return to Saudi. For product support and paying forward on local training so more product sales result, that might make sense, but as a general principal, no.

Besides, they might actually like the USA better. :D

We should attach green cards to all non-citizen advanced degrees from now on and retroactively 5-7 years.
 

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Tim of course brought up gender discrimination, horrible treatment of gays, and other social issues that currently plague SA, Oh wait..
With the Crown Prince who's actively and very controversially (at home) pushing for women's equal rights and a modernization of Saudi culture across the board you mean? Because he is, you know. It's been in the news quite a bit. But hey, as long as you can ignore that in order to attack Tim...

And on that note let's not lie and pretend like things are some kind of equality utopia here either, with the rampant racism, obvious (and embarrassing) gender pay disparity and people STILL trying to strip away marital rights from gay couples like spousal health care in the name of the church.
 

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With the Crown Prince who's actively and very controversially (at home) pushing for women's equal rights and a modernization of Saudi culture across the board you mean? Because he is, you know. It's been in the news quite a bit. But hey, as long as you can ignore that in order to attack Tim...

And on that note let's not lie and pretend like things are some kind of equality utopia here either, with the rampant racism, obvious (and embarrassing) gender pay disparity and people STILL trying to strip away marital rights from gay couples like spousal health care in the name of the church.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/...n-after-alleged-gay-wedding-video-goes-viral/

Really pushing the dial forward there, maybe Tim only saves his moral outrage for the US.

As for women, they still have to be assigned to a man, disgusting. Oh but they can drive now so it's all better.
 

Rocketman

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As for women, they still have to be assigned to a man, disgusting. Oh but they can drive now so it's all better.
I believe that ends in June of this year. I saw several Saudi women on TV (probably either CNBC or FoxNoise) who allow some opposing views to the the liberal story line to leak through occasionally.

The Saudi progress is slow but real.

Pay disparity by gender in the USA is not gender discrimination. It is caused by lifestyle choices by women regarding raising children. That's all. Please do not expect women to ignore their instinct to care for children to achieve some militant or resistance view of pay equality.

The other story fills otherwise silent time on 24 hour "news". As do many "straw man" arguements.
 
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Cook should make any deal contingent on the Saudis putting up billboards to advertise pride watch bands.
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Tim of course brought up gender discrimination, horrible treatment of gays, and other social issues that currently plague SA, Oh wait..
Ah, Tim only goes full SJW when it does not hurt the bottom line. Profit >>> virtue signaling.
 

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... We should attach green cards to all non-citizen advanced degrees from now on and retroactively 5-7 years.
All that will do is lower wages for those workers. Their green card will depend on what their employer says, so those potential green card holders will work longer, harder, and for less pay than other American workers.

Then the American can't get a job unless he accepts a lower pay cause he will be competing with those potential green card holders.

Only winners are the companies that get to pay workers less.
 

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For all the easy and well deserved criticism of products under Tim Cooke’s Apple, e.g. portable keyboards, Siri, software quality and behind on AI and general software innovation, poor cloud strategy and execution, et al., the one thing that should be celebrated is how Tim brings strong moral compass and leadership.

Exhibit A: This meeting with the Saudis

The fact that Apple brought two women to a meeting with the Saudis where their culture doesn’t allow women in these roles was wonderful. Most companies would have brought exclusively men because it would help sell their tech;stock/whatever.

But not Tim.

I love Tim Cooke’s Apple. I just wish they weren’t so crappy at software...
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Am I the only one that fixated on the fact that Apple runs their conference room screen off an iMac Pro?
Lol. Nice catch.

Pretty wasteful. And why an iMac at all? Speakers aren’t going to stand behind A 27 Screen. Most cutting-edge offices use streaming nowadays.

Odd choice by Apple.
 
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DeepIn2U

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What interests me is they want Apple to train their citizens at Apple HQ at their own expense and then have the trained employee return to Saudi. For product support and paying forward on local training so more product sales result, that might make sense, but as a general principal, no.

Besides, they might actually like the USA better. :D

We should attach green cards to all non-citizen advanced degrees from now on and retroactively 5-7 years.
Well there is nothing stopping SA citizen's from utilizing iTunes U ... so I see no issue with educating them at Apple at Apple's expense. Get them into the Apple ecocsystem of culture and let them freely spread this at home just prior to Apple store opening officially within SA and BOOM you'll see the explosion of users and sales therein. Trojan horse anyone, self inviting Trojan horse? Remember their looking at ALL major USA tech companies not just Apple. They could get into bed with Google and settle there.

Tim of course brought up gender discrimination, horrible treatment of gays, and other social issues that currently plague SA, Oh wait..
With the Crown Prince who's actively and very controversially (at home) pushing for women's equal rights and a modernization of Saudi culture across the board you mean? Because he is, you know. It's been in the news quite a bit. But hey, as long as you can ignore that in order to attack Tim...

And on that note let's not lie and pretend like things are some kind of equality utopia here either, with the rampant racism, obvious (and embarrassing) gender pay disparity and people STILL trying to strip away marital rights from gay couples like spousal health care in the name of the church.
Thank you!

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/...n-after-alleged-gay-wedding-video-goes-viral/

Really pushing the dial forward there, maybe Tim only saves his moral outrage for the US.

As for women, they still have to be assigned to a man, disgusting. Oh but they can drive now so it's all better.
So you're only focusing on the citizen's that resist change vs what the crown prince is slowly changing. Change happening slowly is usually the easiest and the most permanent kind of change - completely sucks I know but that's human nature. Just look at what Apple has done with technology ... slow changes.

Still women in SA being able to drive themselves is a VERY big change for freedom, something I think a lot of us in western countries take for seriously granted. Let's see how this plays out over the next few years.

Personally I think it's a great move for Apple and at least we get to see more inside Apple Park campus.
 
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iReality85

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Judging from the comments here, a lot of people haven’t been reading the news lately.

At least Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) is trying. Nor is he his father, and isn’t fond of the religious hardliners. He’s young and wants progressive change, which, for a middle eastern nation is a good thing. He had a very western style upbringing due to his family and wealth, and that’s fortunate for the rest of the world since MBS wants to import western culture to Saudi Arabia.

By the way, importing western culture is exactly what the US has tried to do ever since Iraq, to slow effect. It is always more effective when it occurs internally and organically, like we see here.

Yes, Saudi Arabia holds the blame for spreading Wahhabism, and from that the proliferation of the bin Laden family, al Qaeda, and terrorism. Most of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudis. But a future where Saudis can move beyond the past is a good one.
 
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