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English is not my primary language. American Sign Language is the only I use. You are free to make fun of my poor english grammar.
Oh yes they will, that is what Apple is betting on...
BTW went to the Apple store and compared mini to Retina displays. Of course, all their sample books had nice big fonts so both looked good. But started to pull up various web sites, and all the mini small fonts were horribly smeared and illegible. No way am I going to talk myself into how good the Mini is and buy that. Look at this font web site with a mini and Retina based display and see what I mean.
It may depend upon the weight and size when/if retina in mini becomes available. Folks owning previous iPads love the form factor of the mini. Cannot say I blame them me coming from 7" Andriod tablets. But I had my cake and ate it too because the display is better than the mini on those I own.
If the Mini 2 ends up being heavier/hotter than the mini, like the 3 compared to the 2, I ain't getting it. Retina ain't worth it.
That's a lovely Strawman argument you've put together. But let's try again, shall we?
Retina displays are lovely. No one is denying that as a basic fact. Yet, not everyone places the screen at the top of his or her list of priorities. It doesn't mean that a retina display wouldn't be nice to have.
When battery technology has progressed to the point that a retina iPad, full-size or mini, has a ten hour plus battery life and weighs under a pound of course I would be interested in buying one.
Until that day comes, the current screen is nice enough that waiting is, as you put it, not a big deal.
Wow epic sadness? Dont think I would go that far. Epic sadness would be finding out you have cancer. Its just a freakin ipad.
Amen!!! Many of us happy iPad owners aren't interested in arguing with the 'chaff'!!! As an owner of both the 'mini' and it's bigger 'retina-ized' brethren, I'm happy with both and have zero complaints with the mini...seems there are several million others that feel the same---seeing as how it's taken Apple 45 days to finally match up the supply with the demand
Most electronics are pretty fragile--NONE are meant to be dropped! It certainly says nothing of it's fragility
As pointed out--you clearly have NO idea what it takes to build retina into a small package---the iPads 3 & 4 increased battery capacity by over 200% in order to meet the demand of the screen...as well, doubling, then quadrupling the GPU to better the performance---as well as the screen technology and associated production yields, weight of the device and--back to the first point, hitting their 10 hour goal for battery longevity...this wasn't even a remote possibility at this time
Though you DID mention in several threads that you have purchased not one or two but SIX iPad minis for yourself and associated family members as holiday gifts...so you don't seem to have a problem 'fattening Apple's coffers' significantly more than us 'average folk' eh?
Wow---you 'burnt' your eyes?? You may have a medical condition....not trying to be funny, but that's just a bit over the top
As far as displays in Apple Stores---the environment couldn't be worse!!! Fluorescent, bright light is one of the WORST conditions to judge a display. They're guaranteed to look better in most environments than they do in an Apple retail store--that's a fact!
No. Joke---Completely bizarre some of these comments. These aren't LCD/LED TVs at Best Buy on 'Vivid' or Torch Mode...sure, most of them have their brightness turned up...but if you're playing with them, you can easily adjust the brightness yourself. TVs are typically turned up to their max with over saturated colors and ridiculous contrast in store to sell...not so on iOS devices. We don't have those display settings to adjust
Flattery with light for clothing, jewelry, and other retail items IS true...but in this case you're way off base. You WILL have better lighting in you home...as it's usually a dimmer environment with much less reflection
...need I continue??? These are just, plain, silly comments. BTW...any sort of 'proof' or statistics you can refer us to where folks are returning, specifically, Apple products/displays due to disappointment when they get 'em home? Because for me as a two decade Windows user...and a relatively new Apple convert (just over 5 years ago)---Apple, regardless of the product you choose, has a significantly better display in comparison with their Windows/Android counterpart. Obviously there are exceptions...but all around, Apple is renowned for excellent, consumer level displays---no one else, less Asus, seems as interested in display calibration before package-ship-sale to end users
So what? Third party browsers are free!!! Maybe a buck or two! It's not a hardware failure---it's a software challenge. While I completely agree that Safari isn't the best choice because of it's lack of text resizing--damn near EVERY 3rd party browser allows this. As an owner of ever generation of iPad and iPhone, it was a LONG time ago that I switched to iCab and Atomic as my default browser. don't you choose to use a different browser for your lap/desktop? Chrome or Opera or FireFox? Hopefully Apple will update Safari with this option, but with dozens of options in the app store for a buck--or free...why would this be a problem? I'm actually using Mercury with my 'mini' as it remembers the font size I like for different sites. Sheesh Man!!! It's hard to believe some of you made it through our 800x600 or 1024x768 days!!! I remember switching from my green monochrome IIe to the colored (16 color) screen on my IIc---LOL...THAT was a HUGE upgrade. Maybe that's what we are seeing...the two different generations that have grown up with HDTV, high rez flat panels...no CRT, no rotary phones, no microwave....
That's definitely not a factor in making a screen 'pop'.
I thought the same last night...while I'm not a huge video watcher on my iPads, I did watch the trailer last night in Apple Trailers for Oblivion...I was blown away!!! The quality is phenomenal! In fact, I ended up watching a dozen different trailers just because it looked so damn good
No need to talk yourself into it...or for that matter TRYING to convince others not to buy---especially by posting a silly example of a site no one will ever visit! How about trying MR...even in Safari, in landscape---perfectly legible. While I do LOVE retina displays--if ultimately I had to choose between my iPad 4 and my mini, it would be a really tough decision.
J
Oops. I forgot to mention the price as well.
Going to be real interesting reading posts when a mini with retina becomes available. Imagine all the back and forth going on now will be nothing with lots of current posts when that does happen in comparison to what the future may hold.
I agree that bright store lights are the worst to judge a display. But what you don't understand is that a display may look better or worse in the home. You are claiming that displays are guaranteed to look better at home. This is obviously false, and it is the reason many people return displays (monitors, televisions, iPads). Store conditions usually hide faults.
I just googled straw man argument. Never heard of that before. You see, you learn something new everyday.
Former iPad Mini knocker
Yeah I hated on the iPad Mini too until one consultant at work got the slate and held it in my hands!!! WOW!
BTW: he has an iPhone 4/4S, then went to the iP5 (myself too) and then bought the Nexus 7. He was impressed at first, most likely due to the form-factor of the screen then sold it and got the iPad Mini.
The screen is actually quite clear and less glare than the iPad 2. This, for me is the PERFECT tablet - stereo speakers (something the iPad 2 didn't have, yet the PlayBook did).
I think I'll purchase a low end iPad Mini 16GB WLAN Slate for myself and my son for Christmas; then upgrade myself next year when an A5X/A6 cpu is used with a retina display.
Right now .... beyond complainers of the retina display, the REAL thing that gives this first model an EOF notice is because of the CPU .... not many new apps/games will be coded for this.
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games for early pre-school and grade school that augment education engineering or exploration (the latter 2 for intro courses not university).
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And everything we loved about iPad just 1.2yrs ago!!
Yeah I hated on the iPad Mini too until one consultant at work got the slate and held it in my hands!!! WOW!
BTW: he has an iPhone 4/4S, then went to the iP5 (myself too) and then bought the Nexus 7. He was impressed at first, most likely due to the form-factor of the screen then sold it and got the iPad Mini.
The screen is actually quite clear and less glare than the iPad 2. This, for me is the PERFECT tablet - stereo speakers (something the iPad 2 didn't have, yet the PlayBook did).
I think I'll purchase a low end iPad Mini 16GB WLAN Slate for myself and my son for Christmas; then upgrade myself next year when an A5X/A6 cpu is used with a retina display.
Right now .... beyond complainers of the retina display, the REAL thing that gives this first model an EOF notice is because of the CPU .... not many new apps/games will be coded for this.
Longevity:
eBooks
Educational & interactive books
games for early pre-school and grade school that augment education engineering or exploration (the latter 2 for intro courses not university).
Web
FTP
Server Administration
And everything we loved about iPad just 1.2yrs ago!!
*yawns*
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Couldn't be more simple. Stop posting these recycled, useless threads.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Couldn't be more simple. Stop posting these recycled, useless threads.
I don't think ANY of those of us that have purchased the current mini would argue against retina display, an A6 variant, a GB of RAM or any other complimentary features---and as well as the mini is selling currently, I also believe the resale value will do well -25/30%---which seems like a small price to pay for a year of use (5 or 10 bucks a month
). As with the original iPads that many folks are still happily enjoying...if one chooses, the 'Mini" should be just fine for at least two, maybe three years. Think about it--the 'engine' is the same as the updated '2' and the 3rd gen--The A5. Most developers will continue to 'aim' at the masses to maximize their profits, regardless of the state/version of iOS updates.No--I promise--I DO understand, as displays (video) and audio is and has been my life, occupation and hobby for the past 24 years. Any chance you could show or link us to these mass returns of displays? I'm not sure there are a significant amount of returns on ANY of the products you mention. As far as displays are concerned--I stand 100% behind my response earlier---EVERY display you buy WILL look better outside of a brightly lit fluorescent environment...presented as fact, as it is a fact. I've been doing in home calibration for RPTVs, front projection rigs, LCD/LED and plasmas for the better part of the last decade...my wife and I with the help of a dozen employees also pay our mortgage doing video and audio production. You may consider me a display 'geek'---but what I'm saying is absolute truth...in any environment you're able to control your lighting, the display will perform better EVERY time in comparison to a 'store' setting
You're obviously one of the millions of non display 'geeks' that the B&M stores are marketing, visually to. Pictures in store are often put in 'torch' mode to overcome the lighting--Vivid, high brightness and 'picture' settings, contrast and saturation controls are ridiculously 'wrong' and definitely NOT what you want in a home or production environment
Typically after calibration of TVs, many folks complain...initially. As their eyes adjust to 6500º, and the lifelike presentation...typically over the course of the week...they, too, can walk into Best Buy and instantly realize (and appreciate) the differences
With Apple products...specifically iOS products, the ONLY adjustment allowed is brightness...and in a well lit store such as Apple's, the reflectivity is ridiculous! It's similar to being in direct sunlight...as many Apple stores with the giant glass panels are filled with natural sunlight
I'm not sure where you're getting your info...as I've yet to meet anyone that exchanged a display post purchase, barring a bad or DOA unit...much less 'many' people returning display devices constantly
J
I don't think ANY of those of us that have purchased the current mini would argue against retina display, an A6 variant, a GB of RAM or any other complimentary features---and as well as the mini is selling currently, I also believe the resale value will do well -25/30%---which seems like a small price to pay for a year of use (5 or 10 bucks a month
The talk now is a trade off between the screen quality of the mini versus its size and weight. I assume the next gen mini will at least weigh more so we will see.
Given the screen of the current mini when viewing in portrait mode while browsing, to me the text is fuzzy. Folks say it depends on one's vision. Well if there's is better, doesn't that just make it all the more fuzzy?
Getting stronger reading glasses would or would not help in your opinion in my case if it is fuzzy to me.
I'm just voicing my opinion of the mini on the Internet, that's all. BTW I viewed various sites including that one in landscape already with both devices. In many sites (not just that one), I personally had eye-strain city with the smaller fonts on the Mini. Much smearing with small text on various pages including PDFs. When reading with larger fonts, both mini and retina were legible. That's just my view of what I saw.
If the mini works for person X, then more power to him / her. Personally my own opinion, I really wish Apple put the Retina in the mini and then I would have put the credit card down on it...
I found this little trick very handy on both my Mini and my iPhone: http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57433957-285/change-the-font-size-of-a-web-page-on-ios/
Guess I am not fully grabbing the JavaScript that needs to go into the address box for both the + and the - cause they aren't showing up on the bookmarks bar.
I have to click on the little bookmark icon to get to the bookmark bar menu. Does the bookmark bar actually appear for you in iOS Safari? If not, take a peak in your bookmarks folder to see if the +\- are there. (Sorry if I'm stating the obvious!)
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Funny how we didn't see literally hundreds of threads complaining how bad the screen is when the cMBP was released, or the MacBook Air or the ipad 1/2 or the original iphone. That's because they met expectations at the time, this one falls short, period.
I'm where I need to be because only the font + and font - are the only two there, not listed with any other bookmarks I have in the other folder. I assume if you enter an incorrect statement into the address, nothing will show on one's bookmark bar in the browser. Can someone copy a statement here for each of the + and - entries I need to populate into each address?
Uhm, sorry, what? There ARE literally hundreds of topics about how bad the cMBP screens are (low 13"-resolution, no anti glare option), how much the MBA screens suck (TN-panel) and obviously also about how miserably Apple failed the retina MBPs (image retention, tints etc.)...
This isn't really an unusual amount of whining.
No one said anything about mass returns. Only that displays get returned because B&M stores are terrible for judging displays. That includes iPads.