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Scalpers at Apple Stores
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I live in nyc. Its one thing for a parade around for a day but the companies are able to recover after the one day. More importantly the people in the parade spend money at their stores and they arent sleeping outside all night blocking patrons from coming in. Maybe you want to read a book...or better yet try living in nyc. Books help but nothing beats real life experience. The stores were visibly annoyed friday as they kept having to call police in to keep the scalpers from blocking the entrances to their stores, blocking the bus stops etc... I saw it with my own eyes on more an one occasion.
The scalper lines are a HUGE distraction. I was in that at launch time on more than one occasions. Its weeks of scalper lines not days. Literally weeks. If you google, youll find out. Many new yorkers who work nearby Apple stores will tell you the same thing. They used to tell me "those people will be out there for weeks". I didnt want to believe them but I learned that last year when trying to obtain a gold iPhone 5s.
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Please post a list of exactly which businesses have been "cut off for weeks at a time" because of an Apple product launch. Be specific, I realize it's easy to talk in generalizations and out of your rear end but you don't get a pass here.
WRT Walmart, the reason why Wal-mart "kills off the small businesses its around" has nothing to do with crowds, foot traffic, or litter. You do understand that, right? Walmart undercuts smaller businesses because of its pricing model.
You're trying too hard to sound brilliant but ultimately you're just coming off as a buffoon. Be careful or you're going to fail at life.
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Truly idiotic reasoning.
What businesses around Apple stores are open in the middle of the night when all of these people are "sleeping in the streets"? And if they ARE sleeping in the streets, it's NYPD's responsibility to get rid of them, not Apple's. I bet you also blame Wall Street for all those Occupiers clogging up that park too, eh?
You don't need to read a book, you just need to exercise some of those neurons in your head. Seriously.
ok so move? I used to live the NYC area, the city is always dirty. Love NYC but its just not clean. So the whole city being dirty is apple and walmarts fault... MOVE ON it was dumb and you know it was dumb.
do you know who is the biggest ******* out of all this?
Apple. That is who.
Wallstreet journal recently released an article indicating that Foxconn has 200,000 workers dedicated to iphone 6 production line. Churning out 540,000 units per day. I'm sure this is above my paygrade, but hey, Apple, how about wait a bit til your supply builds up before you sell? If you give the factory 2 months in advance to build, in this case, starts production on 7/19, by launch day, you would have 32,400,000 units to sell. Yes, 32 million. By the preorder math, these will be exhausted in 8 short days, but you can at least distribute it to China, to avoid some of these problems.
It is still a huge profit margin selling these in China. The typical middle class in China now has money to spend. I am guessing Apple is very afraid of making all those phones in advance, just so pictures of the phone would be leaked everywhere, because there's money to be made from within Shenzhen as well, to leak the pictures. But between that, and the scalper situation, I would think product being leaked is a better scenario.
And by the way, other people should be ok with it. If you are not happy, get there early, and put on some headphones if people around you are all scalpers, and carry on. 9to5 recently published an article calling these scalpers "mafia". I just laugh my ass off on that. Talk about irresponsible with their journalism!
Apple. That is who.
Wallstreet journal recently released an article indicating that Foxconn has 200,000 workers dedicated to iphone 6 production line. Churning out 540,000 units per day. I'm sure this is above my paygrade, but hey, Apple, how about wait a bit til your supply builds up before you sell? If you give the factory 2 months in advance to build, in this case, starts production on 7/19, by launch day, you would have 32,400,000 units to sell. Yes, 32 million. By the preorder math, these will be exhausted in 8 short days, but you can at least distribute it to China, to avoid some of these problems.
It is still a huge profit margin selling these in China. The typical middle class in China now has money to spend. I am guessing Apple is very afraid of making all those phones in advance, just so pictures of the phone would be leaked everywhere, because there's money to be made from within Shenzhen as well, to leak the pictures. But between that, and the scalper situation, I would think product being leaked is a better scenario.
And by the way, other people should be ok with it. If you are not happy, get there early, and put on some headphones if people around you are all scalpers, and carry on. 9to5 recently published an article calling these scalpers "mafia". I just laugh my ass off on that. Talk about irresponsible with their journalism!
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Depends on what you consider "typical middle class". Average annual household income in China is still under US$12000/year. True, annual disposable income has increased per capita but it's still nowhere close to the US or other 1st world countries.
what I said wasnt dumb. You just dont get it. Just because you dont understand doesnt mean its dumb. It means you need more experience and education. Apple does have a responsibility to the community it resides in as much as everyone else in the community. People still have to like you to want give you the various approvals and permits to do business in their communities. Ive seen these companies getting upset with my very own eyes. It used to be cute but now its gotten out of hand.
You used to live in nyc but you dont live here now. You didnt see the frustration on the business owners faces when people started lining up friday. You didnt see the cops getting called in on numerous occasions. Te scalpers have abused the privilege. That is not a good look for Apple no matter how you slice it.
Anecdotal evidence means nothing. Cite some real evidence or you're just a liar.
So far you have yet to name ONE single business that has been "closed for weeks" due to an Apple product launch.
I agree. But they are more willing to spend money on things. The rich Chinese folks are just like the rich American folks; willing to spend money on iPhone if they are late to the game, or simply because they can't get it in their home country.
I said it could affect wether or not Apple is able to obtain the permits and approvals for opening up other stores if businesses are going to be displaced for weeks at a time as a result of hordes of scalpers sleeping in the streets. If you see Occupy Wall Street and various other protests are now being treated very differently as a result of Occupy Wall Street and not necessarily for the better. Using word like dumb and idiotic doesnt make you sound smarter. It means you havent really even considered the reality of the situation and since you havent seen anything for yourself youre just talking out of your ass.
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Of course. Capitalism at its best.
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And you have provided ZERO evidence of such. There are so many things wrong with your statement above it's laughable.
1. What businesses have been "displaced for weeks" by an Apple product launch? Name them.
2. Your Wal-mart analogy is completely unrelated.
3. Name ONE instance where Apple has been denied a permit to build a store because of concerns of crowds during an iPhone launch weekend. Oh that's right, you can't because it's never happened.
I realize talking out of your *** is something you're good at, but seriously - you're only making yourself look bad.
1. Learn what an analogy is. They doesnt have to be exact by definition. I was pointing out a business who has a history of being blocked from opening up in nyc...
2. I never said Apple was denied I said COULD BE... But people who arent that smart probably cant read. Thank you for living down to your own expectation.
3. I dont know the names of those stores but Ive seen those guys come out and scold people. Its part of the reason I tried my hardest to do a pre order. They kept telling people to stop blocking their entrances on friday afternoon. They didnt seem to happy. People were sleeping in their doorways ... you name it. Waiting in line at the apple store is not the wonderful fun experience it used to be.
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"Learn what an analogy is"? Hell, YOU don't even know what an analogy is. I believe the word you're looking for is "theoretical". And you've just admitted that NO business has been closed for "weeks" because of an Apple product launch.
"Could be" is meaningless. There are many things that COULD happen to Apple. Whether they are likely to happen is a completely different story.
Again- anecdotal evidence, and it's not even good evidence since you don't even know the names of these businesses or where they're located. In other words, you're just making stuff up. That is pathetic.
You're welcome to think you're smarter than everyone else here and believe the BS you're spewing if it'll make you feel better though. The rest of us are laughing and shaking our heads at the dumb things you're saying.
If COULD BE is meaningless why respond to it....Why lie about what was said? Clearly it meant something enough for you to deliberately misquote my statement.
The not so smart guy who doesnt currently live in nyc thinks he knows more about nyc today than the people living in nyc today.
The truth is scalpers have already changed the way Apple does business on launch days. Clearly Apple feels at least partially responsible.
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What businesses were being "blocked" in the middle of the night when all of these people were allegedly sleeping in the street? What businesses near the Apple store were even open at 2AM? Tell us!
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People deserve to be angry when people hoard items that are in demand and in turn drive up demand and prices even higher. It happens with sporting tickets too and defeats the purpose of the end user at the POS. The same thing also happens at Coach outlet stores and there is a laundering that happens when dirty money is used to make these purchases and the subsequent resale legitmizes the funds.
What businesses were being "blocked" in the middle of the night when all of these people were allegedly sleeping in the street? What businesses near the Apple store were even open at 2AM? Tell us!
I was at the mall today selling my old iPhones and the line was taking up 3 or 4 stores.
Be prepared because the zombie scalpers are already waiting to go fo the big new ipad that is coming on October.
Zombie Scalpers apper like magic, nobody knows where they go, where they come, they are apple zombies hidden to fight for the new Apple Device.
Maybe the zombie scalpers are waiting inside a Samsung building, nobody knows but one thing is for sure:
The Scalpers are here to stay forever and to get all Apple Devices in the entire World. If you want to buy the latest Apple device be a Scalper and fight for it
我想買所有的iPhone
I am zombie scalper and who cares, I am already waiting for the new ipad, iwatch, and any other new apple device.
Zombie Scalpers apper like magic, nobody knows where they go, where they come, they are apple zombies hidden to fight for the new Apple Device.
Maybe the zombie scalpers are waiting inside a Samsung building, nobody knows but one thing is for sure:
The Scalpers are here to stay forever and to get all Apple Devices in the entire World. If you want to buy the latest Apple device be a Scalper and fight for it
我想買所有的iPhone
I am zombie scalper and who cares, I am already waiting for the new ipad, iwatch, and any other new apple device.
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I stood in line for 18 hours and walked out empty-handed.
At first, I was mad at all the scalpers. But after coming back home to my warm bed, nice shower and a good meal, I just said to myself: I really shouldn't be complaining. Instead, I should feel sorry for these poor people. My 18-hour ordeal is really nothing compared to the poverty they have to live in constantly.
Stories like these really make me feel ashamed
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/398380/Girl-with-basketball-for-body
http://bgr.com/2014/09/19/iphone-6-and-iphone-6-plus-sales-2
By the way, I'm white in case you were wondering.
At first, I was mad at all the scalpers. But after coming back home to my warm bed, nice shower and a good meal, I just said to myself: I really shouldn't be complaining. Instead, I should feel sorry for these poor people. My 18-hour ordeal is really nothing compared to the poverty they have to live in constantly.
Stories like these really make me feel ashamed
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/398380/Girl-with-basketball-for-body
http://bgr.com/2014/09/19/iphone-6-and-iphone-6-plus-sales-2
By the way, I'm white in case you were wondering.
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I don't see anything wrong with doing that. After all, they paid a pretty heavy price by practically sleeping on the streets for hours and making themselves look ridiculous. However, they feel compensated for doing so by selling off whatever they have bought at the end. The bottom line is that whatever other people do, its their business and their benefit and costs.
By the way, the level of racism and stereotyping in this thread is out of hand. The mod should consider moving this thread to another forum section. It seems as though if an asian was being first in the queue, he or she would definitely flip those phones back in china. Absolutely not. I've seen tons of white people, black people and people from all backgrounds obviously scalping iPhones.
Do I have a problem with it? Of course not, I got mine already. But even if I haven't, do I think its a problem? No. The next cycle for the iPhone is about 1 year from now, I have plenty of time to get myself one perhaps 1-2 months later. I don't see any benefit getting one first other than showing off. Smh.
Instead of complaining that you can't get your phones because of those scalpers, why not you beat them to the game by lining up 24 hours before If you really need your iPhone on launch day? and by the way I have absolutely no problems with people wanting their phones on launch day. Its the level of angst that I have issues. There are 4 million iphones on launch day, deal with it. There are bound to be someone who don't get theirs.
However, in terms of line cutting, I feel that this problem should be dealt with immediately. Even as I got my iPhone 6 without queuing, I can feel how angry one would be if he queued for hours and someone simply cuts the queue.
By the way, the level of racism and stereotyping in this thread is out of hand. The mod should consider moving this thread to another forum section. It seems as though if an asian was being first in the queue, he or she would definitely flip those phones back in china. Absolutely not. I've seen tons of white people, black people and people from all backgrounds obviously scalping iPhones.
Do I have a problem with it? Of course not, I got mine already. But even if I haven't, do I think its a problem? No. The next cycle for the iPhone is about 1 year from now, I have plenty of time to get myself one perhaps 1-2 months later. I don't see any benefit getting one first other than showing off. Smh.
Instead of complaining that you can't get your phones because of those scalpers, why not you beat them to the game by lining up 24 hours before If you really need your iPhone on launch day? and by the way I have absolutely no problems with people wanting their phones on launch day. Its the level of angst that I have issues. There are 4 million iphones on launch day, deal with it. There are bound to be someone who don't get theirs.
However, in terms of line cutting, I feel that this problem should be dealt with immediately. Even as I got my iPhone 6 without queuing, I can feel how angry one would be if he queued for hours and someone simply cuts the queue.
That's China's problem to deal with, not Apple's. If China doesn't want iPhone 6's entering the country, then they need to step up enforcement at the borders. But in all likelihood some guy at the top has been paid off for him and the guards underneath him to look the other way.
It's not Apple's job to enforce China's laws, especially in the US. As long as the scalpers aren't doing anything illegal within the US, which they are not, then they have every right to buy iPhones.
Try camping out in front of the stores at any other time for several days and see what happens. Then you can advise me on what is or isnt against the local laws.