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Hey klrob, it's very telling my man, that this guys comes up and says product cycle for iphone, for ipod, the holidays and not a word about computers...it was a very funny quote on the start page of this thread by a fella, actually it was a lady, who said: "apple won't be making any computers anymore, sorry". Of course they will and of course shiller somehow meant holidays and novemberish as computer cycles but to have come to a point in apple's history where OFFICIALY in the PRODUCT CYCLES the words computers don't even come up is very very telling.

It's very telling for all those poor people who were waiting for their mac mini, who have been waiting for years it seems.

It's very telling for all those people who all they wanted was an OPTION for a matte screen.

And to all these people who switched to firewire back when almost no pc manufacturer had firewire except apple only to see it taken away from their macbooks in times not a lot of people can afford something more expensive as a "brand separator"

THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT COMPUTERS ANYMORE, IT SEEMS TO BE AS SIDENOTE TO THE HOTCAKES THAT ARE IPODS/PHONES. And it's sad. They care just enough to keep selling but not that much, that's why no mention of them in product cycles...they get their marginal updates and evolve over the years but no product cycles per se for them, really sad, and to be put so bluntly.

btw, apple should go into e-ink soon, I have a couple of readers and they are simply amazing tools.

+1,000 You hit the nail on the head in the last few sentances of your 1st paragraph. However, the kool aid drinkers just can't see it! Well said! ;)
 
yeah but updating a phone only once a year seems a bit infrequent.... for example the iphone 3g has been out over 6 months now and is still the same price... i'm so used to phones coming down in price so quickly it really puts me off buying one now, even if it's going to be another 6 months till the next one, and i think lots of people will think the same way.... i hope they update it before june!

Problem is, the announcement will likely come out in a few months. The actual next iPhone will come out later. Plus, if you want a decent price your looking at the end of the year.
 
hardly. he didn't say "and iphones EVERY june"

there might not be a new phone in 2009.

True, but I would be very surprised if there wasn't a new iPhone model this year. Proof? Just look at the history of the iPod, every *single* year there's been a "new iPod" whether it's cosmetic, real upgrade, or whatever. You can bet the same for the iPhone.
 
another interesting aspect of all of this....

Phil's willingness to be more transparent about the situation than Jobs. and his willingness and ability to talk about such a subject... gives the impression that he is indeed being groomed for a leading role in the company certainly. and this along with his good job with the keynote shows promise indeed.

i hope you guys realize that everything that Phil says has been cleared for comment. He's not telling anything that the company doesn't want said. heck Steve might have given him the exact wording to use.

i agree with some of the other posters here. move macworld to september when the ipods come out. or move it to beginning of school year around august if that's when the product cycle is natural. IDG SHOULD DO THAT!

it's not just about the timing. it's about the cost. Apple has to pay to be in Macworld. why do that when they can do announcements just like they did for the new ipod and the new notebooks from their own campus for free.
Does this mean we will see the rest of iLife 09 updated in March?
Sounds like a confession was made it was rushed for MWSF.

not at all. the the only part of ilife that wasn't updated was iDVD which has no where to go but Blu-ray, which Apple isn't ready to jump into.

So does this truth mean that we might see new iMac late summer only ? What about the talks about just in two weeks, just in this months. just in February ?

rumors, nothing more. until Apple puts a date out there, it's all just folks talking out of their hats.

and Phil's statement is more of a summary of past practice than a promise of anything to come. the dates can change.

Even though this was relatively common knowledge,

you mean common rumor

I prefer this type of communication to Steve's constant secrecy.

they do that to protect their butts. if they announce weeks ahead of time what's going on in detail there is time for someone to beat them to the punch. and not saying anything until it is firm means less backlash if the date has to be pushed. less folks spreading negative talk that something is wrong etc.

That is so true. I can tell you that my son was pissed when his new college Mac Book was obsolete 5 months after we bought it because of the January release schedule.

yeah cause the second the new ones came out, his stopped working. companies should really stop doing that.

Well, you don't have such problems with other companies that actually COMMUNICATE with their customers and ANNOUNCE their products. You know... Just like Microsoft and the rest of the PC industry do it.

that's because they need you to know that something 'better' is coming out so you don't give up and go bye a Mac cause you are sick of Windows and all the problems. :D

on apple.co.uk ilife 09 theres a note saying buy any Mac up to the end of march and get ilife for the price of shipping

this says that all the hardware will be updated by March OR the inventry of certain machine is massive and therefore it won't have 09 on it.

no and no. A statement from Apple "In March we will have new X" means they are updating in March.

as for the iLife thing, they don't want to be dealing with that stuff for months. so they put a deadline on the deal.

And at least in the US, they added an install dvd to every box that didn't have ilife '09 starting the 27th. I know cause i was with a friend who bought a new laptop yesterday and asked why there were two pieces of tape. he was assured that the computer was still sealed and brand new by a manager who oversaw the 'drop in' process the night before.

I suspect the same in other countries. if not right away then very soon. such that by that cut off there will be no machines anywhere that don't have ilife '09 preinstalled

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/09/source_apple_plans_to_attend_ces_in_2010.html

A confirmation from Appleinsider.com that Apple will go to CES. Wow. Now I'm completely speechless.

i am more speechless that anyone would take a rumor site reposting a rumor as a fact.

So they don't have enough time to go to Mac World but DO to CES?????
assuming that rumor is true, which I'm not. it does make sense to pick a general consumer show over a brand specific one, especially when you are trying to win over new folks to your brand.

Windows fanatics aren't going to go to a Macworld but they might go to CES and happen to walk by an Apple display and get curious.

While I personally do NOT defend the incapacitated Jobs theory, the last time he told the public anything about his health was in a letter addressed to only the staff at Apple ending with, "I'm posting this from my hospital bed on my 17" PowerBook G4 with an AirPort Express".

liar, it said he was posting it from a beach in the South Pacific where he was being oiled down by a team of hot babes. and he didn't need no stinking computer cause he has his brain wired directly into the Internet. at 10 times current wi-fi speeds.
 
that's because they need you to know that something 'better' is coming out so you don't give up and go bye a Mac cause you are sick of Windows and all the problems. :D

The same is true in reverse. I've seen quite a few posts on these forums in the last couple months from people tired of waiting for the announcement of a new iMac or a new mini, and who are just about to spend their money on a Windows system instead. Without giving specific product and date commitments, Apple could still release enough general information to keep potential customers in anticipation instead of exasperation. Potential sales are at this point starting to bleed away.
 
Hey klrob, it's very telling my man, that this guys comes up and says product cycle for iphone, for ipod, the holidays and not a word about computers...it was a very funny quote on the start page of this thread by a fella, actually it was a lady, who said: "apple won't be making any computers anymore, sorry". Of course they will and of course shiller somehow meant holidays and novemberish as computer cycles but to have come to a point in apple's history where OFFICIALY in the PRODUCT CYCLES the words computers don't even come up is very very telling.

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THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT COMPUTERS ANYMORE, IT SEEMS TO BE AS SIDENOTE TO THE HOTCAKES THAT ARE IPODS/PHONES. And it's sad. They care just enough to keep selling but not that much, that's why no mention of them in product cycles...they get their marginal updates and evolve over the years but no product cycles per se for them, really sad, and to be put so bluntly.

btw, apple should go into e-ink soon, I have a couple of readers and they are simply amazing tools.

How about - -they have more control over the design, manufacture and release of the iPod and the iPhone, than they do the parts for their desktops. (Intel for example, being one - awaiting Nehalem, Xeon, Dual/Quad/Octa depending on who you believe...)

Yes there are cycles for some. Not having exact cycles for the others isn't exactly a bad thing either... Apple's got a lot of new products to drop this year, and it's only pretty much February. Wait for Intel's CPU announcements in a week or so, then after that see iMac and Mac Pro announcements... mini is a wild card :D
 
yeah cause the second the new ones came out, his stopped working. companies should really stop doing that.

Sometime I wonder if people think at all before they comment. The point was that nobody wants to buy old technology just because Apple has to wait until January to release products and students need the computers in September. In my son's case the difference in the graphics card would have allowed him to run better software for college. In Apple's defense they do offer the iPod consolation prize for new-obsolete hardware, but what college bound kid really needs another iPod.
 
Sometime I wonder if people think at all before they comment. The point was that nobody wants to buy old technology just because Apple has to wait until January to release products and students need the computers in September.

i think you missed the point. Your son's 'old' technology isn't defunct. it just isn't the latest and greatest. so it takes 5 seconds longer than the newer computers to do something. it's not the end of the world. If you keep up this attitude that you can't buy X because in a couple of months Y, which is prettier and newer, might come along you won't ever buy anything. I went through college with a 4 year old computer, when I started. So imagine my sitch when I graduated. I would have been grateful for the last model that was only a month off the shelves.

Also, as to your 'has to wait' comment, why do you think Apple is dropping things like Macworld in exchange for doing home based announcements. So they can get off the worlds expectation of when things will be released. Now, so long as the parts are there, they can release in November if they wish, in August if they wish, they aren't forced to say something 'good' for Macworld so folks don't drop the stock price 10 points cause Apple didn't have a big flashy keynote full of hardware upgrades and new products.
 
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