Well, you don't have such problems with other companies that actually COMMUNICATE with their customers and ANNOUNCE their products. You know... Just like Microsoft and the rest of the PC industry do it.
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Well, you don't have such problems with other companies that actually COMMUNICATE with their customers and ANNOUNCE their products. You know... Just like Microsoft and the rest of the PC industry do it.
it amazes me that people don't know this
Apple works in Qtrs and each Qtr has a bit of a theme / new release to see it through
Jan/Feb/Mar - Macworld so new hardware/ilife
Apr/May/June - new hardware in mar shipping in April or pro software (logic etc) iphone release
July/Aug/Sept - iphone in july to WWDC and a OS launch or new hardware
Oct/Nov/Dec - ipods having been launched and poss notebook update.
Also two things.
on apple.co.uk ilife 09 theres a note saying buy any Mac up to the end of march and get ilife for the price of shipping
this says that all the hardware will be updated by March OR the inventry of certain machine is massive and therefore it won't have 09 on it.
secondly to add to this theres a post on here somewhere from quite a clued up guy saying Mac Pro's in march !!!!!
Apple works in Qtrs and each Qtr has a bit of a theme / new release to see it through
Jan/Feb/Mar - Macworld so new hardware/ilife
Apr/May/June - new hardware in mar shipping in April or pro software (logic etc) iphone release
July/Aug/Sept - iphone in july to WWDC and a OS launch or new hardware
Oct/Nov/Dec - ipods having been launched and poss notebook update.
Also two things.
on apple.co.uk ilife 09 theres a note saying buy any Mac up to the end of march and get ilife for the price of shipping
this says that all the hardware will be updated by March OR the inventry of certain machine is massive and therefore it won't have 09 on it.
secondly to add to this theres a post on here somewhere from quite a clued up guy saying Mac Pro's in march !!!!!
I Agree.
so, lets throw this in the mix... is there any chance apple are developing the same battery tech that's in the new macbook pro17" for the iphone 3.0. that would make sense if they're upgrading the chipset, camera etc in june/july/whenever.
although this is pure speculation, it would be the logical progression.
either way my contract expires next month so i WAS hoping for a big upgrade at Macworld 09...but disappointment reigns
That sounds like a great idea. I've heard, along with this post, several people posting about the new macbook battery possibly fitting in a iphone.
How small is this thing? I havn't looked it up or anything but whats the comparison (size) to the current iphone battery?
I wondered about this myself. If the months were quoted by a comma after product timelines it would seem more beleivable but this just looks like pogue filled in what he, and others here, know about past timelines.
Agreed.
I'm definately confirmed that I'm at least waiting until June to get an iphone now and I can't wait to see if anything new is revealed! I'll be waiting in line the next day (or 1 month later) cash in hand.
This does not bode well for Apple.
Every year at his time Apple had the entire computing world waiting with bated breath at what techno-marvel Steve might pull from his null-field. Web speculation ran rampant, fan boys were hovered over their computers, credit card in hand, blogger's hammered away at their laptops hoping for a scoop - you get the picture.
But now they're admitting they can't handle the pressure post-Steve, and that is most definitely not a good thing.
Apple is a home-run company, not a singles hitter. Example: any other business would have leveraged the success of the mini into a steady cash cow by regularly releasing updated models. But Apple leaves money on the table, hides in it's bunker, and hopes lightning keeps on striking when it finally decides to show it's next iNext Great Thing!!!!!!.
But there won't be any next great things once Steve is gone, the iDevices won't be kewl forever, and I have a hard time believing Apple will shed their elitist attitude quickly enough if the consumer becomes fickle.
Every year at his time Apple had the entire computing world waiting with bated breath at what techno-marvel Steve might pull from his null-field. Web speculation ran rampant, fan boys were hovered over their computers, credit card in hand, blogger's hammered away at their laptops hoping for a scoop - you get the picture.
But now they're admitting they can't handle the pressure post-Steve, and that is most definitely not a good thing.
Apple is a home-run company, not a singles hitter. Example: any other business would have leveraged the success of the mini into a steady cash cow by regularly releasing updated models. But Apple leaves money on the table, hides in it's bunker, and hopes lightning keeps on striking when it finally decides to show it's next iNext Great Thing!!!!!!.
But there won't be any next great things once Steve is gone, the iDevices won't be kewl forever, and I have a hard time believing Apple will shed their elitist attitude quickly enough if the consumer becomes fickle.
where is a mac event in apple's schedule?? if it isnt in there, how is the consumer supposed to know when to hold off buying? - all the other products have 'reliable' refresh dates - why not have at least ONE for the mac?
however i still love
That's the idea. If the consumer knew when the new computers are being released, the consumer would wait for that date if possible. Without knowing the future release date, a consumer is more likely to buy now.
This particular includes MacBooks but also iMacs (at least it used to, remember a lot of iMac refreshes in summer).
(The cynical view would be that Apple pushes out 'old' MacBooks with educational discounts in the educational buying season at a moment when fewer other people would buy it because a refresh is just around the corner.)
I agree with this, the reason iMac not updated apple may be working on LED display (and/or Blu Ray) and is not ready yet ... we heard rumors about some Magnesium Alu casing also; macmini not updated amuses everyone, may be iMac and mac mini have some thing common when they updated?
if apple wanted to upgrade the CPUs they could have done it already... still march is far from away ...
Actually, it seems that the "Osborne Effect" was only partially responsible for the demise of the Osborne computer company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect#The_Osborne_Myth
It seems someone found a stash of complete, but obsolete motherboards for the older computer model. Then the bozo decided that this was a waste of money and bought all the parts needed to turn them into complete computers. So the company spent tons of money to build obsolete computers that nobody wanted.
It would seem that a desktop event is coming, with Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro, Displays, and Snow Leopard preview. That is my guess, but it seems like March is the best set because the Mac Pro chips should finally be out around that time.
and one more thing i think (opinion) Apple wants MacBook to be updated before school starts and aligning their schedule to match with that ... pure guess ... ( you get a new macbook but older iPod promotion, iPod will be updated like oct but currently you get a macbook and iPod which are soon to be upgraded)
Theres love for the mini I agree...but Apple probably has a better product margin with the base iMac...so the math might make things even. IMO, an average person buying a mac is better off (in terms of value) with an iMac rather than a Mac mini. Add the cost for display, webcam, keyboard, mouse etc to the Mac mini & its actually quite expensive than an iMac.
Further, other companies DO announce stuff because their current stuff is already crap. Apple is the current market growth leader, they only have to beat themselves. Everyone else is trying to beat Apple, so to prevent you from buying Apple product ABC, they have to say 'Look at this AWESOME new product we have coming! Wait for this! Don't buy that iThing!' (Trying to use the Osbourne effect to get you to delay purchasing the market leaders product)
Another Twist... Appleinsider.com Confirms Wired.com Rumor
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/09/source_apple_plans_to_attend_ces_in_2010.html
A confirmation from Appleinsider.com that Apple will go to CES. Wow. Now I'm completely speechless.
w00master
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/09/source_apple_plans_to_attend_ces_in_2010.html
A confirmation from Appleinsider.com that Apple will go to CES. Wow. Now I'm completely speechless.
w00master
what doesn't make sence is even though macworld is pretty much just them, it gets more attention then the entire CES. At macworld they are the center of attention. but there is a lot more people that wouldnt go to a macworld at ces i guess.
well we all can tell that that's when apple usually releases new stuff. it's just that macworld was on that list also.
Not Total Valid Advice
The whole "wait until buying" thing is not totally valid. If you need or want the iPhone, just buy it. The phone is not the major cost. The data plan is the major cost, and, for most of us, the data plan is worth the cost for both work and play. If the phone is doing what you need, don't upgrade. If the upgrades of a new phone in June are valuable to you, then upgrade. With the exception of cut and paste, the iPhone is an always connected computer in your pocket. For what is does, the hardware cost is minimal, even without ATT assistance, so don't worry about it. Buy the phone.
The whole "wait until buying" thing is not totally valid. If you need or want the iPhone, just buy it. The phone is not the major cost. The data plan is the major cost, and, for most of us, the data plan is worth the cost for both work and play. If the phone is doing what you need, don't upgrade. If the upgrades of a new phone in June are valuable to you, then upgrade. With the exception of cut and paste, the iPhone is an always connected computer in your pocket. For what is does, the hardware cost is minimal, even without ATT assistance, so don't worry about it. Buy the phone.
Obsolete? Really? Mind giving it to me then?
In the music world, I've been working on a daily basis with G4s (yes, dual g4 machines) in studios - and they work great. What does your son do that is so intensive that the macbook is now obsolete?
Most professional studios still use G4 and G5 computers - I find it amusing when I come here and listen to college going kids talking about needing a 8 core macbook so they can take notes and chat on facebook
He plays video games, what else.
This makes sense to me. Better for stock control and revenue, better for not annoying customers with undercooked tech that could have been fixed with a few extra weeks of development.
The cost is losing the PR an event like MW gives. Even so on balance I think they've made the right call.
I'll feel fully vindicated if they release new iMacs, Minis or Pros soon. Like next week.
This is probably the most asinine thread I've ever read. Something really bugs me when people talk about "the truth" as if there's some sort of conspiracy to cover it up.
But I feel I just have to point out that:
1) Schiller didn't say there would be an update in June. He said that Apple tended to have its own update schedule, which has in the past included June updates for the iPhone. He was giving Pogue some examples -- not predictions or secret plans. Now, there very well may be a June update. There's no reason to think there won't be. But Schiller did not "confirm" it.
2) Again, he was giving examples of Apple's product timelines to explain the pullout from MacWorld. He wasn't trying to give every conspiracy theorist and wacko nutjob "clues". He didn't mention computers, because computers aren't on a regular annual timeline. What is the Mac Pro update cycle like? 1.5 years? 2.5 years? It doesn't make for a clean example, so why mention it? So he doesn't.
Criminy. I like rumors, too (why I read this site). But for Pete's sake, there's a point at which you're a gossip, and then there's a point at which you spend 18 hours a day looking at Area 51 on Google Maps. A large number of "the truth is out" posters on this thread seem to have crossed the line into gonzo wacko nutjob territory.
But I feel I just have to point out that:
1) Schiller didn't say there would be an update in June. He said that Apple tended to have its own update schedule, which has in the past included June updates for the iPhone. He was giving Pogue some examples -- not predictions or secret plans. Now, there very well may be a June update. There's no reason to think there won't be. But Schiller did not "confirm" it.
2) Again, he was giving examples of Apple's product timelines to explain the pullout from MacWorld. He wasn't trying to give every conspiracy theorist and wacko nutjob "clues". He didn't mention computers, because computers aren't on a regular annual timeline. What is the Mac Pro update cycle like? 1.5 years? 2.5 years? It doesn't make for a clean example, so why mention it? So he doesn't.
Criminy. I like rumors, too (why I read this site). But for Pete's sake, there's a point at which you're a gossip, and then there's a point at which you spend 18 hours a day looking at Area 51 on Google Maps. A large number of "the truth is out" posters on this thread seem to have crossed the line into gonzo wacko nutjob territory.
Phil's timeline is just blowing smoke - Wall Street hammered Apple Before and After MacWorld last 3+ years running - Apple is just done playing whipping boy. Expect the Unexpected from now on.
I want to grab an iPhone today - but - I'm sticking with MacRumors' Buying Guide (Don't Buy - Updates soon) and expecting a (battery & RAM anyway) bumped iPhone 3G within the next 30 days.
1st week in Feb seems about right.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/428127/
June Schmoon! ;-)
I want to grab an iPhone today - but - I'm sticking with MacRumors' Buying Guide (Don't Buy - Updates soon) and expecting a (battery & RAM anyway) bumped iPhone 3G within the next 30 days.
1st week in Feb seems about right.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/428127/
June Schmoon! ;-)
when are we getting updated Macs? It's either a core business or it's not.
what's the next evolution of the iPhone and the iPod? Not much left, unless the tablet comes true, or Apple goes into e-ink.
what's the next evolution of the iPhone and the iPod? Not much left, unless the tablet comes true, or Apple goes into e-ink.
Hey klrob, it's very telling my man, that this guys comes up and says product cycle for iphone, for ipod, the holidays and not a word about computers...it was a very funny quote on the start page of this thread by a fella, actually it was a lady, who said: "apple won't be making any computers anymore, sorry". Of course they will and of course shiller somehow meant holidays and novemberish as computer cycles but to have come to a point in apple's history where OFFICIALY in the PRODUCT CYCLES the words computers don't even come up is very very telling.
It's very telling for all those poor people who were waiting for their mac mini, who have been waiting for years it seems.
It's very telling for all those people who all they wanted was an OPTION for a matte screen.
And to all these people who switched to firewire back when almost no pc manufacturer had firewire except apple only to see it taken away from their macbooks in times not a lot of people can afford something more expensive as a "brand separator"
THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT COMPUTERS ANYMORE, IT SEEMS TO BE AS SIDENOTE TO THE HOTCAKES THAT ARE IPODS/PHONES. And it's sad. They care just enough to keep selling but not that much, that's why no mention of them in product cycles...they get their marginal updates and evolve over the years but no product cycles per se for them, really sad, and to be put so bluntly.
btw, apple should go into e-ink soon, I have a couple of readers and they are simply amazing tools.