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Scott Forstall to Discuss Creation of iPhone at Computer History Museum Next Week
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I wouldn't be surprised if Forstall was bullied out of Apple. Steven Jobs really appreciated his work as do many milllions. Was just watching recently WWDC 2006, 2007 and 2008 and Forstall really seems like a good guy. You can tell he really loved his work. He certainly knew the difference between simplicity and optimizations.
A lot of the technology and interactions in iOS 7 had onwards was already in iOS 6 and earlier. The only major difference was the superficial graphics which were sparse from iOS 7 onwards, and less sparse in iOS 10 as themes begin making their way back.
A lot of the Forstall haters here really need to acknowledge it was Forstall and team that gave iPhone and iPad their loving user interactions.
Such a big fan of the Computer History Museum too and can't wait to hear this discussion.
A lot of the technology and interactions in iOS 7 had onwards was already in iOS 6 and earlier. The only major difference was the superficial graphics which were sparse from iOS 7 onwards, and less sparse in iOS 10 as themes begin making their way back.
A lot of the Forstall haters here really need to acknowledge it was Forstall and team that gave iPhone and iPad their loving user interactions.
Such a big fan of the Computer History Museum too and can't wait to hear this discussion.
I miss the old IOS cause at least it provided for some uniformity throughout. Now it seems like it’s a hodgepodge of different things they are trying out in different areas. Doesn’t seem to have any uniformity whatsoever.
I would like to know his opinion on this matter.
It's kind of ok and kind of very not ok.
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Forstall isn't disgruntled. He was bullied out of Apple by the way. Apple has a rather toxic work environment. Ask all the great engineers and designers who have left in recent years.
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Remember iPhone 6 6s and 7 protruding camera and a hump back battery pack?
So you want a CEO with all their mistakes ahead of him? At least he apologised and the company begun publicly testing iOS as a result to ensure nothing like Maps happened again.
Finally, some objective comments that assess a range of angles. Thank you!
Forstall! Really glad to hear from him. Please do come back, I'd welcome you with open arms. Get rid of Jony because he knows **** all about design.
I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 that I compare every new Apple device to, and even comparing it to my 10.5 inch iPad it is still rock solid, bug free, jitter free and fluid as heck in comparison (apart from the 120 fps). Even with the increased frame rate there are still lags and hangs here and there on this iPad. Throwing 120fps at it isn't going to magically get rid of all the terrible software shortcomings. Scott knew his stuff and getting rid of him was the biggest mistake Apple has ever made. Now we have bizarre design decisions (Music app), worse icons, ugly huge fonts that just take up precious space, and blinding whiteness everywhere. Honestly, how many times have we read on here people's disgust regarding the music app, constantly complaining about lag and how hideous most of their icons and UI looks?
Also, remember when we didn't need to practically beg for a dark mode? I honestly don't remember anyone wanting nor needing it because iOS prior to 7 had apps which had their own identity and colour scheme, not boring plain blinding white space constantly in your face. Not to mention Mac OS's bland look which is also ripped of all personality. Skeumorphism made Apple devices look premium (can't really say the same anymore). Scott and Steve both understood this. The skeumorphic design WAS Apple to me and was actually the reason that attracted me to them, then I used my first iPhone... and that lag free, rock solid experience is what made me stay loyal to them. Premium looking software with a true premium experience to match. Now Apple has lost both. It amazes me how someone who has such good taste in hardware can have such bad taste in software design. Looking at you Jony.
Come back home Forstall and sort this mess out for us, please.
I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 that I compare every new Apple device to, and even comparing it to my 10.5 inch iPad it is still rock solid, bug free, jitter free and fluid as heck in comparison (apart from the 120 fps). Even with the increased frame rate there are still lags and hangs here and there on this iPad. Throwing 120fps at it isn't going to magically get rid of all the terrible software shortcomings. Scott knew his stuff and getting rid of him was the biggest mistake Apple has ever made. Now we have bizarre design decisions (Music app), worse icons, ugly huge fonts that just take up precious space, and blinding whiteness everywhere. Honestly, how many times have we read on here people's disgust regarding the music app, constantly complaining about lag and how hideous most of their icons and UI looks?
Also, remember when we didn't need to practically beg for a dark mode? I honestly don't remember anyone wanting nor needing it because iOS prior to 7 had apps which had their own identity and colour scheme, not boring plain blinding white space constantly in your face. Not to mention Mac OS's bland look which is also ripped of all personality. Skeumorphism made Apple devices look premium (can't really say the same anymore). Scott and Steve both understood this. The skeumorphic design WAS Apple to me and was actually the reason that attracted me to them, then I used my first iPhone... and that lag free, rock solid experience is what made me stay loyal to them. Premium looking software with a true premium experience to match. Now Apple has lost both. It amazes me how someone who has such good taste in hardware can have such bad taste in software design. Looking at you Jony.
Come back home Forstall and sort this mess out for us, please.
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When all your co-workers have consensus in hating you….. they're not the problem.
So pack bullying is condoned?
Wrong. Forstall was bullied out of the company. His coworkers had the issue.
Without Forstall, we wouldn't have had the insane leap in user interfaces from old style phones to new style iPhones. They created the breakthroughs. Just follow the timeline of events. Maps launch was rushed. Apple should have waited until it was properly ready.
Forstall and team were the reason for the success of iPhone. Forstall's absence is also the reason why iOS is not progressing, and why iPhone is not progressing in meaningful ways.
I would embrace Skeuomorphism to get the rest of the iOS 6 UI back. (With iOS 11 security.)
I'm so excited about hearing his side of the story, and if it's as good as I think it'll be maybe one day he will come back to save Apple like Steve did.
I wish Scott would come back to Apple. He has contributed alot and Apple needs him again. Tim and others needs to swallow their pride.
I totally agree with the above. Further, where is the apology from Jonny Ive for the stupid Mac Pro trash can mac? Several execs and engineers came out to say that they designed themselves into a thermal corner...yeah? so where is the designer's apology? How about designing products for people, not designing for a museum 20 years from now, Jonny.
let's say someone doesn't believe Jonny should be out to apologize for that design?? Ask yourself, would Jonny have showed up to accept an award, you're god damned right he would accept an award, he does all the time. So he should be apologizing for that...the head of marketing and head of MacOS software shouldn't be apologizing.
Sir Jonny Ego.