...and ugly as sin.
At a time when iOS devices have the best screens ever, iOS presents more simple visuals, pastel colors, and thin fonts.
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Scott Forstall to Discuss Creation of iPhone at Computer History Museum Next Week
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At a time when iOS devices have the best screens ever, iOS presents more simple visuals, pastel colors, and thin fonts.
I guess it's easy for an executive team to blame Forstall after he's left. They're not going to blame themselves are they?
John Gruber is an Apple apologist and doesn't objectively report on Apple. The recent WWDC interview exhibited that.
Fact is there was never a press release explaining why Forstall is no longer with Apple.
Fact is Forstall and team took us from rubbish keyboard phones to beautiful multitouch interactions.
Forstall has passion for tech and moving things forward. I often think how great Siri could be if people like Forstall were still there.
Apple is a toxic bullying workplace environment. Speak with ex engineers and designers.
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So ugly it persisted and was loved by millions for 6 versions. A reskin was needed and ios7 was welcome, but all the interactions remained, those UI interactions were created by Forstall and team. You have Forstall to thank for most of those interactions still seen in iOS today.
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The launch of iOS 7, several executives made snide remarks during the keynote aimed at Forstall and team's work. If that's the behaviour publicly, we can gather with confidence the toxic environment Forstall was working in prior to leaving.
Also, many ex engineers and designers don't have good things to say about the work culture at Apple.
FYI Ive has presented on stage previously and at Keynotes he is often heard or seen on video.
I agree about the Music app. It was at the peak of perfection in iOS6. Apple needs to split the Music app from Apple Music, the latter getting its own app.
I actually didn't mind skeuomorphism all that much, and I think it made iOS more visually interesting compared to what we have now. Although, it could have done without all the hoaxy stuff, like imitation page flipping. Or all the glassy textures.
No. I know Scott and CEO is not in his blood.
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Scott was clashing with many of his peers. That's as far as I'll say on it. He could be caustic all the way back at NeXT. I'll leave it at that.
Cook rushed it out? It was Scott Forstall who gave a flawless demonstration at WWDC. Did he ever say to Tim maps isn't ready? And if it was a data issue who was responsible for maps data? Forstall was the one who presented it to the public. Does he not have to take any ownership of the data?
Oh and calling Tim Cook "Timmy" makes you look childish.
Erm, what about NO, I want Hairforceone to be the CEO.
Craig is super geeky and I don't know how well that would translate to, say, earnings calls.
He does have good stage presence though, much better than Cook.
Yep, so caustic (and more accurately so successful).
Some people need to check their ego at the door.
He was an A+ player stuck in a room of only A players.
Go read the press release again. It's very clear why Forstall was let go. Of course no CEO is going to spell out why an executive was let go in a press release. That's why you have to read between the lines. This was the press release header: Apple Announces Changes to Increase Collaboration Across Hardware, Software & Services. Clearly Forstall was a roadblock to increasing collaboration among the executive staff and their teams.
Could you share with us Forstall's vision for the future of iOS, iPhone and iPad? You mentioned Siri. What evidence is there that Siri would be better if Forstall was still here? The big Siri improvement at 2012 WWDC was being able to give sports scores. Wow. Major innovation there. You say Gruber is an Apple apologist but you sound like a Forstall apologist.
I'm sure there are some software engineers and designers (many probably still at Apple) who would quibble with this. No Apple executive is single handedly responsible for anything.
Ive presented on stage ONCE at a small Mac event at Apple Town Hall. He is not a regular on stage presenter. Doing voiceovers for product videos is nothing like presenting on stage in front of a large crowd.
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Is that you Scott?
Very busy-looking. I'd probably customize mine to have fewer options.I would like to know his opinion on this matter.
The music app in iOS 6 was just fabulous, thanks Scott. I miss it terribly. The music app hasn't been the same since YOU left.
As much as I would like this to happen, I just don't think it is possible. Even if he does come back, all the people who created iOS with him are basically gone. This always happens with software, where it reaches a peak, and then it attracts the next group of people who aren't as talented and end up ruining it.
Funny, but your theory doesn't actually reflect reality at all. Steve Jobs chose Tim Cook as his successor. Not Forstall. I fail to see how he was "grooming" him to become CEO. Seems to me Steve already chose Tim as his successor MANY years before he retired. Tim being temporary CEO during Steves first medical leave in 2005, as well as every time after, supports the idea that Steve had Tim in mind for years. And the fact that he didn't change his mind after all that time, says a lot about how much he trusted Tim.
Cook doesn't get enough credit. He hasn't gotten an ego, tried to take over Apple with his own agenda, changed the company, etc. He has treated Apple with a lot of respect and humility. He has made it his mission to preserve the things that make Apple special, and not change the company radically. Jobs knew that Apple didn't need a Steve Jobs wannabe, he knew that Apple needs a different leader that at the same time can respect and preserve the things that Steve Jobs tried to propagate within the company.
Apple would look very different if Forstall was in charge, his ego would have taken over. I'm not sure if it would have been for the better. I'm highly reluctant, as Steve obviously was. Or else Forstall would be CEO.
I used to be so impressed with iOS. It was rock solid in the beginning but has gotten flaky and annoying.
We miss you, Scott. I hope one day you'll be the head of Apple.
I disagree on two fronts:
1. "The Data" didn't make him go to market with an incomplete product. He should have said it's NOT ready and been done with it.
2. Tim Cook isn't known for behaving like a bully or goon, but Scott Forstall, by many MANY accounts is. Therefore, if you want him to be in charge of things, be prepared to lose a lot of other good people, and I'd be thrilled to see what he can accomplish without any support staff. I'm sure we'd have very fine skeuomorphic overlays on our desktops.
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If EVERYONE had an issue with the way Forestall treated the people around him, then perhaps, just maybe, the problem was HIM and not everyone else, and certainly not "the culture" for finally having had enough.
You apologize, even when it isn't your direct actions which are to blame, because you are the one who approved the situation which caused such disruptions to the users.
Over a MAP? Relax, dude.
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Don't blame Ives for the hardware design. That was Bob Mansfield's role, wasn't it? Why wasn't current Hardware Engineering SVP Dan Riccio part of the on-the-record conversation with the journalists?
Why should it matter to any of us if he was a douchebag behind the scenes? So was Steve but his legacy speaks for itself. You can't be a nice guy in the tech industry all the time, just look at the mess of iOS now with the supposed "harmonious" work environment. Funnily enough it's the "massive douchebags" like Scott and Steve that seem to bring out the best in Apple and the whole tech industry in general. That ruthlessness is clearly missing in today's Apple. No more Steve to say: "This is ****, make it better", like he would to half of the crap that Apple's been churning out these past few years. If he suddenly came back from the dead and saw the mess of the music app, the lag and random stutters scattered around iOS, the inconsistent and ugly UI, stuff like the camera bump and antenna lines on the iPhones... he'd probably fire 90% of the people there. And given that ruthlessness I was talking about, he'd be so livid he'd probably fire Jony too before telling him to **** off for ****ing his company, replace him with some other designer and then rehire Forstall.
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Skeumorphism was necessary in those nascent years of the iPhone. It helped us make a leap forward in performing operations, by pressing and swiping on glass.
Today, skeumorphism looks ugly and feels dated. I am happy that Apple moved away from it.
But that's not to say that iOS 11 is without fault. There are many to list. That busy control centre. Those unnecessarily big and thick heading fonts throughout the OS. The candy bubbles.
My favourite version was iOS 9. When the music app was beautiful. When the control centre was nice. When notifications looked good.
I like the functionality that has been added since iOS 9, like the software implementation of 3D Touch (e.g peek and pop). However, on a purely aesthetic basis, I feel that the OS peaked at version 9.
Today, skeumorphism looks ugly and feels dated. I am happy that Apple moved away from it.
But that's not to say that iOS 11 is without fault. There are many to list. That busy control centre. Those unnecessarily big and thick heading fonts throughout the OS. The candy bubbles.
My favourite version was iOS 9. When the music app was beautiful. When the control centre was nice. When notifications looked good.
I like the functionality that has been added since iOS 9, like the software implementation of 3D Touch (e.g peek and pop). However, on a purely aesthetic basis, I feel that the OS peaked at version 9.