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The profile also reports that Forstall may also been an indirect cause of the lost iPhone 4 prototype in 2010. Forstall reportedly convinced Jobs to allow dozens of his engineers to carry prototypes of the then unreleased iPhone 4.

:eek: BULLLSSHHIITT ! If you remember Steve's interview on All Things D, he said himself that Apple needs to test their mobile products beyond labs, under real world conditions. Needless to say you must to do it. Why would anyone need to convince anyone else for that ?!
 
Interesting. Forstall appears to be a very nice guy. I'm glad Mac OS X won.

Is he Jobs without the aura? In other words, does he have a much greater chance of being beat up at work? Jobs was unique. Imitators beware.

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I like him, though for some reason he reminds me of Kenny Bania, the Mendy's-obsessed, suit-donating Seinfeld character.

HE DOES! :)
Thanks for the laugh.
 
At the time of the iPhone 4S keynote, I was wondering why he was the only presenter that was able to keep his composure. It was almost as if Tim, and Phil, seemed a little nervous, or just a little off. Ultimately they were both probably shaken up, and knew of Steve's soon to be passing, the following day. With that being said, Scott seems to be very confident and I think Apple will do just fine in the years to come.
 
Newsflash- this is what it takes to get **** done and strive for excellence. I love how people naively think that Apple could have become what it is today, and can stay that way, with chilled-out push-overs and mellow dudes leading it. You can criticize what you see as personality flaws from the comforts of your position on a messageboards, as everyone did with SJ, but at least have the common sense to realize this is what is required to make it, especially in an industry as cut throat as this one. SJ got Apple to where it is precisely by having insanely high standards, exacting requirements, and contro-freak (I hate that term) who micro-manages even the tiniest details. And yes, that naturally produces someone who is difficult to work with. But it's a sacrifice that produces results. I know, as I've worked in high pressure environments. I truly hope Forstall IS like Jobs, as are others in the company, cause that's what Apple needs. People who fight tooth and nail for their vision if they believe it's the right one. That's what Steve did- he did it everyday.

Forstall made absolutely the right call. And out of all the public figures at Apple, I like him the best. Seems to be the most Steve-like in his charisma, energy, passion, and onstage presence. Not Steve by a long shot, obviously. I just hope there is a single person at Apple with a vision to lead everyone else by, because decisions by committee will never work. Someone able to play hardball with content providers, as SJ did with iTunes, iPhone, etc. Damn, now I'm getting depressed again.

Gary North made this same point the other day; THE reason Apple came back from the brink was because Uncle Steve was such a pain to work for and a stickler for details. Honestly, I forsee Forstall eventually becoming CEO, adopting the Steve Jobs Memorial Chair at Apple.

Also, the bit about pitting the Linux crowd versus the OSX crowd reveals how truly with it Uncle Steve was. What generates innovation more than direct, head to head competition?
 
I think Scott comes across very well on the stage for Apple, Phil Schiller as well for that matter. I don't think Apple will have any problems in selling its products if they keep using theses guys. This comes from an Irish perspective where sometimes the americanisms from the americans can be a it cringe. I also used to like the French bloke (what ever his name was). He was witty and I liked the way he said Leopard.
 
I would bet that the Linux mention in the BusinessWeek article is a factual inaccuracy. I'm sure Apple's iPod team was pushing for the iPhone to use the iPod's operating system -- a descendent of Pixo OS.
 
:eek: BULLLSSHHIITT ! If you remember Steve's interview on All Things D, he said himself that Apple needs to test their mobile products beyond labs, under real world conditions. Needless to say you must to do it. Why would anyone need to convince anyone else for that ?!

Well, of course he would have to say that after the fact.

Apple has a history of keeping their products secret, even from their own engineers. The first iPhone was only seen in one piece by a handful of people before its debut. Everyone else only saw the hardware with simple test software, or the software running on a circuit board inside a big box.

The first iPhone's mass field trials were done by AT&T just a couple of months before it went on sale. Prior to that, Cingular engineers were only allowed to test the radio sections without seeing the actual software running.

So yes, it makes sense that Forstall would have had to convince Jobs to put aside all the usual secrecy, especially for a big redesign like the iPhone 4.
 
If Forstall is Mini-Steve, There's Hope.

Aside from Jobs, Forstall has been the most impressive performer during Apple's keynotes. I've always liked him and honestly am very relieved to know that Apple has someone like him on board with high standards and a passion for making great products. The work he's done on the :apple: Iphone (mini OSX of sorts) is incredible and a game changer !
 

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And that 'douche' is famous, has millions of dollars in his name, and is set for life. Now, please go back to your cubical and finish that exciting Excel sheet you have been working on.

Aww, I didn't know that I was going to hurt your sentiments. But guess what? He's still a douche!
 
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I think Scott comes across very well on the stage for Apple, Phil Schiller as well for that matter. I don't think Apple will have any problems in selling its products if they keep using theses guys. This comes from an Irish perspective where sometimes the americanisms from the americans can be a it cringe. I also used to like the French bloke (what ever his name was). He was witty and I liked the way he said Leopard.

I think they need a woman in their presentation mix...Some woman who has good presence...they could call her SIRI...
 
I really like Scott Forstall.
But sometimes when he does a keynote looks like he was just up all night every day working on iOS.


Probably had been. Perfection is the goal and SJ was not an easy task master by anyones analysis.
 
This article makes me really uneasy. Steve was the glue that held everything together. Even if there was infighting between different teams/people and personality conflicts, it seems to be they would always put it aside to please Steve, because of respect/fear/loyalty or what have you. Steve commanded loyalty, and every single anecdote I've read reflects that. They would sweat blood for him, but his approval would make it all worth it- completely irrational, but thats the magic SJ had. He kept everything on track and kept the vision clear. He was the head taste-maker and curator, gave the final nod, as well as being involved in everything else. No other company is structured this way. Apple is. It's sobering to think of potential-fallouts and internal conflict now that the dynamic is changed and the visionary is gone.

Slurp, you are reading too much into this...but I see you point. Only time will tell. If Apple goes down in a few years...we all will know...but I think they will be ok.
 
And that 'douche' is famous, has millions of dollars in his name, and is set for life. Now, please go back to your cubical and finish that exciting Excel sheet you have been working on.

Totally right. Having millions and being (relatively) famous totally negates being a 'douche'.

:confused:

By your rational, Sarah Palin/Steve Balmer/Rupert Murdoch are all great company as well.

Sorry, I'd rather be a normal, content person in a cubical.
 
Scott Forstall reminds me of Richard Hammond. In looks and personality. Anyone else feel the same?

No.

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I think Scott comes across very well on the stage for Apple, Phil Schiller as well for that matter. I don't think Apple will have any problems in selling its products if they keep using theses guys. This comes from an Irish perspective where sometimes the americanisms from the americans can be a it cringe. I also used to like the French bloke (what ever his name was). He was witty and I liked the way he said Leopard.

I think this guy comes off rehearsed and phony. Phil is probably the smoothest after Steve.

If they had any brains at all, they'd have Jonathan Ive do all the presentations. He's young, good looking, and has a silver tongue. The keynotes without Steve are painful.... they need a better mouthpiece.
 
The NeXT Steve Jobs

We beat BusinessWeek by more than a month.
 
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Scott Forstall is the new STEVE. We need to start to immortalize this guy. LOL!

Hell is basically the Iphone\Itouch\Ipad creator...

WOW

He is young and he is a survivor...he will be CEO one day...

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No.

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I think this guy comes off rehearsed and phony. Phil is probably the smoothest after Steve.

If they had any brains at all, they'd have Jonathan Ive do all the presentations. He's young, good looking, and has a silver tongue. The keynotes without Steve are painful.... they need a better mouthpiece.


Jonathan Ive is the best one...and yeah without Steve the keynotes suck.

But Scott has the brains and the attention to detail, just not a good speaker like Steve.

Bring out Jonathan!
 
Interesting. A shrunken down OS X just seems like an all around better idea. Good call Forstall.

What I understood by reading the article it appears that it was Job's call. He had one team work on shrinking OSX and the other on a Linux based solution. Steve chose the best solution.

I think it was a no brainer to go with OS X, what's the fuss here all about.

Because it appears that Steve was open minded enough to consider an alternative if a strong enough case could be made. Job's preferred going with an OS based idea but he still considered another possibility.
 
He seems kind of rigid and over rehearsed when he presents. Steve was always just letting you in on something he thought was cool. This guy seems like he's trying to sell me something. Schiller too. (All due respect to them fellas, but you have to admit they're pretty stiff). The monotone excitement is probably what I'm reacting to.

Eddie Cue is the closest I've seen to someone who appears to be natural and able to ad lib (whether he is or not) during a demo. He strikes me as a bit more genuine.
 
Working at Apple sounds scary. Every time I read about accounts of the inner workings of Apple it reminds of accounts of the inner workings of Scientology. Apple is materially successful, but some of the accountings don't sound mentally healthy.

You should read the article in Wired magazine for the behind the scenes info during the iPhone development.
 
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