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Scott Forstall's Personality, Origins of iOS, and Lost iPhone 4 Prototype

MacAddict1978 said:
I love people, who most likely have never had to lead a team, so crass and negative in their comments.
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Yet you would defend a boss who's like that everyday?

I've both led, and been led in, highly successful teams without needing anyone to exhibit the nastiness that some of Apple's leaders reportedly tend towards.

Sure, fear and hate might get some things done faster in the short term, but it's not worth it in the long run.

Think about your favorite boss you've ever had, and the boss you hated the most. Now who was the boss that actually made you be successful? Probably wasn't either of the first two.
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My favorite boss was an older British engineer. He used his extremely dry wit, and his interest in our work, to drive us and it worked quite well.

A boss doesn't have to be hated to be effective.
 
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Fairchild said:
I wonder what kind of contract or employment arrangement Mr. Ive has with the company? The only thing that concerns me is that he be alienated and cashes out. While software is of outpost importance, his designs are second to none. Jony is the hardware aesthetic of Apple.
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I'm assuming you posted this from an iOS device, and that you have Mr. Forstall to thank for that awesome auto-correction blunder.
 
rdowns said:
Oh look, the "press" is already trying to create another Jobs. :rolleyes:
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Exactly.

I'm sure Forstall has his good points and bad points and has made some enemies and friends... but that's true of every successful executive ever.

This piece feels like a generic business-man profile spiced up with a little bit of dried could-he-be-the-next-Jobs?!?

I don't really think we're really getting to the guts here.
Hope (and expect) the Jobs bio will be much better.
 
Moopy Sac said:
Talented ******s get promoted, otherwise they are just ******s.
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******s, talented or not, are ******s. It looks bad on their leadership methods, bad on their health, the employees and creates a stressful environment all together. In other words, what this article was saying that he is a a bit of a corporate bully, he gets his way by bringing his tallent but also by doing things his way (not really thinking outside the box if he doesn't listen to new ideas)... just a thought
 
kntgsp said:
Been saying for years that Forstall is a poor choice to put in front of the public. Even in his early days, Jobs didn't come off as smarmy and unlikeable as Forstall. Sure Jobs was cocky, but he had that "cocky but likeable" air about him, a kind of "pretentious charm". Forstall just comes off as a smarmy douche in every single presentation he does. They could not have picked a worse pitchman. Even the emotionless, fat engineer would be better. At least he doesn't come off as condescending and he doesn't have that "I'm going to bury you under the floorboards" look like Forstall does.

Tim Cook has an anemic stage presence, but at least it doesn't completely turn you off to everything he says. It just makes you drowsy. The iPhone 4S keynote was just sad to watch. Not because Steve Jobs wasn't there, but because they did such a piss poor job of it.

Apple: For the love of god, find a better pitchman/men/women.
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I don't agree. I think he's the best we have at the moment. Cook is incredibly good at putting me to sleep, Schiller rushes the heck out of his piece, he doesn't have that all important 'gravitas' and dramatic tone of unveiling and buildup.. I always want him to finish up his section as soon as possible Seems 'bumbly' and imprecise. Cue is alright, but nothing special. Out of them all, Forstall's style is still ahead- by a wide margin, swarmy or not.
 
Apollo231 said:
******s, talented or not, are ******s. It looks bad on their leadership methods, bad on their health, the employees and creates a stressful environment all together. In other words, what this article was saying that he is a a bit of a corporate bully, he gets his way by bringing his tallent but also by doing things his way (not really thinking outside the box if he doesn't listen to new ideas)... just a thought
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Have you read any pieces about Tim Cook? He's also described as an ****** and a hardass. You think it's coincidence that these people have certain personality traits? No, it's not. The most logic reason is that they required those traits to get them where they are, to retain those positions, and to run a multi-billion dollar company.
 
Jonny Ive is a much better presenter than Scott, Scott tries too hard to be Steve whereas Jonny is a natural. Hope in Steve's permanent absence that Jonny will get given a high profile role in the keynotes

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Slurpy2k8 said:
Have you read any pieces about Tim Cook? He's also described as an ****** and a hardass. You think it's coincidence that these people have certain personality traits? No, it's not. The most logic reason is that they required those traits to get them where they are, to retain those positions, and to run a multi-billion dollar company.
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Exactly, from what I have heard about Cook Steve was a big softie compared to Cook, Tim is quieter but is ruthlessness personified
 
Interesting.

We know (thorough lawsuits) that engineers left Apple to start Android.
I wonder if any of them worked on the Linux version of (pre) iOS and used work product(s) in Android.
 
Slurpy2k8 said:
I don't agree. I think he's the best we have at the moment. Cook is incredibly good at putting me to sleep, Schiller rushes the heck out of his piece, he doesn't have that all important 'gravitas' and dramatic tone of unveiling and buildup.. I always want him to finish up his section as soon as possible Seems 'bumbly' and imprecise. Cue is alright, but nothing special. Out of them all, Forstall's style is still ahead- by a wide margin, swarmy or not.
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Thats just picking the lesser of two evils, the least ******* of a ******* assortment.

How about they just pick someone who isnt bad. Crazy concept.
 
When did Zach Braff start working for Apple? :D

All you need to do to curb his attitude is talk to him like Dr.Cox.

"Shut up, Nancy, I'm busy."
 
Scott has struck me as sort of a Steve Jr. Seems very enthused about what he is presenting, good speaker. Certainly want to keep that around.

Phil S. also does a fairly decent job with speaking, as well. Not quite as well as Steve Jobs, but quite well.

If one needs a gauge on how well Apple's staff presents versus others, watch some of the 3rd party CEOs come and talk -- some are painful to listen to.

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iChrist said:
Ha.
Forstall is not Steve Job. He is Steve Buschemi. :rolleyes:

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Nah. Scott's teeth are much nicer.
 
Scott's gonna need to find a RDF to negotiate more deals with those difficult record labels. In a way Steve surrounded himself with all the talent he needed, the only thing Steve took with his passing is he negotiation skills. I heard Sun Microsystems feared Steve's reality distortion field so much they implemented a policy that prevented anyone from signing contracts with Steve until he left the room. You can see a perfect example of Steve's negotiation skills when he got Gates to lend Apple some money (Gil Amelio apparently failed where Steve succeeded with less conditions that Amelio was offering to Gates)
 
Forstall was around Steve Jobs for a long time. There's no surprise that Jobs rubbed off on Scott, both good and bad.

I love the Buschemi comment! I can see the keynote where Buschemi comes out to introduce iOS 6, just like when Noah Wyle did his Jobs impression years ago.
 
Fast Shadow said:
Which means you've had more than a month to fix the misspelling of Forstall's name in the link to your story.
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It's not that simple from an SEO perspective given that several sites linked to our article. We'll set up a 301 redirect at some point. It's not at the top of our priority list. Thank you for your attention to detail.
 
Giuly said:
This was Steves modus operandi, wasn't it? Macintosh vs. Lisa fighting to death, iOS vs. iPodOS fighting to death.
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Yes, that was an M.O. of his.

Ex-Apple employees have said that, since Jobs had no real technical knowledge, he would get around that handicap by challenging opposing engineers to defend their position.

Jobs still couldn't understand most of the resulting debate, but made his decision based on whichever one seemed the most confident and which one faltered the most.
 
Therbo said:
Even if they did choose Linux, I doubt the end product would feel any different.

The user land would most likely be the same, and since Linux is Unix-like, and so is OS X, they could just pretty easily compile CoreAnimation, Cocoa, WindowServer etc.

But to the end user, I doubt it matters.
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The entire Messaging system is based upon Objective-C. Sorry, but the Linux Kernel is not the best for an ObjC runtime, irregardless of all the work done on GNUstep.
 
I hope I can become a keypart of big or cool projects too.

Sounds kinda cruel to pit 2 teams together, great for getting great work results, but chances are it will cause some bad blood amongst teams.
 
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