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SE 2 Predictions?

I've watched as others oscillate from the two device paradigm (small phone, large tablet) to the one device phablet paradigm and then back to two.

I have not sought to replace two with one yet, but I'm considering it.

If there will be such a thing as an SE 2 within the next 12 months, it will likely be my next phone. If not, I will probably get an SE, but I'm considering both the X and the 8 Plus, or even waiting another year and see how long my iPhone 4 continues to work as the phone I bought it to be.

It's been so long since I first switched to my :apple: iPhone 4, the phone I had before that was a BlackBerry Tour 9630 (with no WIFI support :eek:).
 
HippyRabbitFish said:
I've watched as others oscillate from the two device paradigm (small phone, large tablet) to the one device phablet paradigm and then back to two.

I have not sought to replace two with one yet, but I'm considering it.

If there will be such a thing as an SE 2 within the next 12 months, it will likely be my next phone. If not, I will probably get an SE, but I'm considering both the X and the 8 Plus, or even waiting another year and see how long my iPhone 4 continues to work as the phone I bought it to be.

It's been so long since I first switched to my :apple: iPhone 4, the phone I had before that was a BlackBerry Tour 9630 (with no WIFI support :eek:).
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Kudoes to you if you're still using an ip4...definitely got your money's worth from that phone. :)
 
in 2016, when sales of the 6s were not has high as Apple had projected they scraped together their spare parts and produced the SE. This enabled them to keep their total iPhone sales numbers acceptable to investors.

Prediction, iPhone 8 sales are not has high as projected and orders have been cut. iPhone X sales are constrained several quarters due to supply and the high price; Apple scrapes together some more stuff and produces an iPhone SE2.
 
A full screen SE2 would be cool.

But what if the SE2 was full screen but just the size of the SE's 4in diagonal screen? It would fit in your 5th jeans pocket.
 
If I have to bet my money on this, no SE2 any time soon. Not in 2018.

iPhone X is taking sales away from iPhone 8/8+, they don't need another device, especially not a low-end device, to take remaining sales away from 8/8+.

Apple continues to sell 6s and 7, which makes sense to not have SE2.
 
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A full screen SE2 would be cool.

But what if the SE2 was full screen but just the size of the SE's 4in diagonal screen? It would fit in your 5th jeans pocket.
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That’s my hope, and what would get me to upgrade from a 7+. Keep the same form factor as now, but go with a iPhone X like screen.
 
I'm guessing that the SE will be updated rarely, like the iPod Touch which went from an A5 processor on the 5th gen to an A8 on the 6th gen which surprised everybody. The SE has had a bump in storage and I think it will be 2019 before we see an SE update and it will have the A11 chip.
 
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SE will probably be updated to the 8/X internals (considering the original SE had 6s internals), possibly will have 3D touch, most likely will get 2nd gen Touch ID, most likely will get front-facing camera from the 6s/7/8, and although unlikely, could get the 4k60fps rear camera from the 8/X. Design will probably stay the same, but maybe a few years in the future, we'll get a larger screen on a bezel less phone, not now though. We'll probably stay on 32/128 GB until next year at the very least, and judging Apple's patterns, we should expect it next March.
 
I think there won't be an SE2. Instead, we'll see an autumn 2018 release of an iPhone X Plus and iPhone X Mini model, with the latter being the SE replacement. Gotta keep up those margins!

And well, "SE" does lend itself to "Special Edition", and not much special about it, if you keep updating it.. "iPhone SE 5" doesn't really cut it.
 
I think Apple giving the original SE the A9 was more than what we deserved for the asking price. The only time Apple offered us better value than what they priced it for. It was more powerful than the 6 and still cheaper.

It was a fluke. Even today you can get the SE for $150 while a 5s prepaid for Verizon is $180. Apple would not use the A11. That would cannibalize the 8 and X sales. So I expect A10 as the 7 should be priced about $500-$650 by next March.

SE2 would need to be priced lower and not be more powerful than the 7. I can imagine it looking like a smaller 8 with most of its features (no Telephoto) but only having A10.
 
garirry said:
SE will probably be updated to the 8/X internals (considering the original SE had 6s internals)
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No, it won't. Apple is not going to take an entry-level price iPhone and give it the latest specifications as their top tier iPhones with the X and 8. That would defeat the purpose of the price point and conflate with the other models. IF, Apple decides to update the SE, at the most, it would have similar internals as the iPhone 7.
 
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Relentless Power said:
No, it won't. Apple is not going to take an entry-level price iPhone and give it the latest specifications as their top tier iPhones with the X and 8. That would defeat the purpose of the price point and conflate with the other models. IF, Apple decides to update the SE, at the most, it would have similar internals as the iPhone 7.
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That's exactly what they did when they released the SE, it got the latest specs (cpu, ram, rear camera..) minus 3D touch from their flagship model at that time, the 6s.
 
geta said:
That's exactly what they did when they released the SE, it got the latest specs (cpu, ram, rear camera..) minus 3D touch from their flagship model at that time, the 6s.
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As you said, it's still missing certain features that the other models did have. When you Start adding capabilities like 3D Touch, stereo speakers, water resistance, etc. Those are things That will increase the price point of the iPhone. If the SE is updated, I don't think it will share many of the traits that the iPhone X/8 have. But it's also dependent on what the starting price point is and what it all includes.
 
Relentless Power said:
As you said, it's still missing certain features that the other models did have. When you Start adding capabilities like 3D Touch, stereo speakers, water resistance, etc. Those are things That will increase the price point of the iPhone. If the SE is updated, I don't think it will share many of the traits that the iPhone X/8 have. But it's also dependent on what the starting price point is and what it all includes.
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It would be nice to have it all, but nobody expecting that. This time around if they'll upgrade the SE, it will be again the same as before, they'll keep that same design and upgrade the important parts like cpu, cameras & touchID. If they'll add what you mention, they'll have to redesign first...
 
actcyclist said:
in 2016, when sales of the 6s were not has high as Apple had projected they scraped together their spare parts and produced the SE. This enabled them to keep their total iPhone sales numbers acceptable to investors.

Prediction, iPhone 8 sales are not has high as projected and orders have been cut. iPhone X sales are constrained several quarters due to supply and the high price; Apple scrapes together some more stuff and produces an iPhone SE2.
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And that is the only reason I can think of as well where they -might- do it.

All up to Apple...certainly many of us would like to see a SE2.
 
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Well if you are Apple, do you want a customer to pay €450 for an iPhone or do you want a customer to pay €850 (and upward to €1300) for an iPhone?
 
Or do you want a customer that is not willing to spend anywhere near 850-1300 to buy another companies product?
That's why its good to provide options to consumers and there are many that dont need the higher end iPhone model with all the bells and whistles;)


chriscl said:
Well if you are Apple, do you want a customer to pay €450 for an iPhone or do you want a customer to pay €850 (and upward to €1300) for an iPhone?
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wdmn1234 said:
Well firstly I think there will be an SE 2. I reckon even Apple is surprised by how popular a small, fast, affordable phone is and how timeless the design has become.

Release date?
Form factor?
Headphone jack?
Water resistant?
Internal specs?

Here's my stab at it:

March 2018 release
Same form factor as SE
No headphone jack this time
Not water resistant
Internals like the 7
Better screen with wide color display

Thoughts?
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snatefinch said:
I think everything you said it will have is correct except for one. I think they will keep the headphone jack. On the SE there is no reason to remove it. I think they will continue to bump up the SE every once and a while and keep it around.
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100% agree. I hope they keep with the headphoneJack.

Apple made a lot of money with the SE, because the housing did cost near to nothing, they put in only electronic parts of the iP6, a really good camera and the SE works perfectly with IOS 10.3.3
So, costs of R&D for the SE was near to nothing, form factor costs was near to nothing.


mattopotamus said:
I’ll disagree. I think the SE sold much better than Apple was anticipating, and it really just enforced there is still a strong market for smaller phones.
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Yes - apple was unable to deliver the SE because many, many people wanted and loved the iP5-form-factor.
So did I!

Never even thought about a smartphone bigger than the iP5, iP5s/IpSE...
I have normally sized Hands - for writing I put the SE horizontally for more space (bigger keyboard).


snatefinch said:
I think everything you said it will have is correct except for one. I think they will keep the headphone jack. On the SE there is no reason to remove it. I think they will continue to bump up the SE every once and a while and keep it around.
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My only wish is that they will upgrade to 256 GB.
The camera is already damn good.
Thanks to the little screen the battery capacity is very comfortably enough for a day or even two - if you deactivate the useless push-services and you are not a gamer. For the same reason I don`t want an OLED-Screen.

The form-factor of the SE is perfect (fits in every pocket and everywhere) and the SE was the very last thing Jonathan Ive did well - the last time he thought seriously about ergonomics and clients needs - and not about useless gimmicks as he does after since ..
The iP5/5s/SE are already now a timeless, really iconic design.


so - do we really need a SE V.2?

No - the SE is a perfect "reduce to the max"-Smartphone. Reliable, technically far enough up-to-date for a smartphone, that serves NOT as a toy for adults who are behaving like children.

Give me a 256 GB version, perhaps one day later on a 512 GB version - and I will buy it instantly.... :)
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chriscl said:
Well if you are Apple, do you want a customer to pay €450 for an iPhone or do you want a customer to pay €850 (and upward to €1300) for an iPhone?
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well - it is more about their clients will not to pay more than reasonable....
There are Millions of people who could easily pay 800 or 100 USD - but they are not willing to pay hat much for a solid smartphone. Because they act rationally and think such a thing is definitely not worth more.

And there are also many, many millions of customers who don´t have that much money to pay.

The profits of the newer iPhones are not that much higher you might think... The R&D and production of them are much more costly than the simple step to scale the old form-factor of the 5-series further into the future market with some reasonable electronic upgrades.... it is all about profit, not about prices.. ;)
 
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A second generation Touch ID (as in 7), an A10-11 chip, a bigger camera sensor (as in 7 for better low light photos), solid home button and water friendliness would make it a perfect little device!

If Apple X-fises the entire lineup then in a few years time we might even see an edgeless screen in a 4” body.
 
My prediction is:
1. A new form factor like the 7
2. A10 chip
3. True Tone
4. No headphone jack
5. Stereo speakers
6. Water resistant
7. Same type of Touch ID as the 7
8. Better camera with image stabilization
 
I had a thought for people who say they aren't updating SE because SE product line is geared towards India and budget market

What's to say they won't sell SE alongside an SE2 that also has a more premium price like they sell 6s/7/8/soon X all at once - different generation phones still competent enough to appeal to different markets
 
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