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I edited the post after you started your response, apparently. Apologies. He did use the SGS2 as an example. And it does do this. No need to take a pic.

I noticed, no biggie. ;)

Listen, I am not here to argue about what it can or can't do. The problem is several issues deep to be honest, I haven't even touched on carrier to carrier issues. Even if the OP sent an MMS, that does not mean that is buddy can do it the same way as he has an old phone. Also, it really is a carrier choice to allow text only MMS. I know the SGS1 can't do it and if they have enabled that in the SGS2 then it is a nice feature but I personally have not seen it. All of this being said, it still won't solve his problem. For now, a different way to communicate is the way to go until the carriers can implement what the OP wants.
 
And you are missing my point. He is complaining that his friends device can't handle an SMS that is being broken apart by his device. He is looking for a way to either circumvent this or use MMS to send just text.

My point is that instead of trying to use systems that are not designed to do what he wants, that he find a system that can do what he wants. Mail is suited for what he is trying to do but he just doesn't want to hear it.

Apple using systems that are in place is one thing, but Apple can't change limitations that the carriers have. SMS is not going to change and MMS is for multimedia which is what the carrier wants it to be.

In this case the OP simply needs to find a better way to send his message rather than trying to bend a system to fit his needs.

FYI, I am also one of the "1" that don't send long texts. Why? Because that isn't what it was for and there is a limitation. If it is long, I use e-mail, simple enough.


And the point you are missing is this: It is the year 2011, going on 2012. SMS is not used just for 160 character messages anymore. How do I know this? Talk to a teenager. How else do I know this? Other phones have specific ways to circumvent the limitations of SMS that are no longer relevant. It is called, have the OS change the message type to MMS the second that 161st character goes down. It's a very old feature. My Nokia flip phone had it when I was in grade school.

I am not simply dreaming up fun ways to "bend the rules" of SMS. This was common on flip phones from like 2003. And were MMS "just for media" - it actually would be just for media. It's not. MMS is also the option for longer-sized texts. It was 8 years ago, and the newest smart phones today also use this option.

So while you're entitled to proselytize about SMS purity or whatever you're hung up about - most phone manufacturers use this method. And MMS allows it because it was actually supposed to be a way to send larger things over-network - including text. Thats why it allows text. In fact! I believe that some carriers, if they recieve a large SMS that hasn't already been broken up by the phone, will convert it to MMS before it gets sent to their user.

You are the only person still using the definition of SMS from when it was invented in the late 90s. It's very different now, in that both carriers and manufacturers have worked around limitations that are no longer necessary or valid the best they could without revamping the whole system. But they did in fact try to revamp the whole system as well.

So. I state. Yet again. No. I am not looking for an email. I am looking to send a text message in the second decade of the 21st century. Which can very well be over 160 characters, assuming your phone's OS or the carriers involved handle it correctly. Since carriers vary - phones are primarily responsible for this task, and MMS is a widely-used and my preferred method of doing this.

Which is why I asked for suggestions in terms of apps, workarounds, or native feature. I did not ask to debate about what SMS was for 2 decades ago. Nor did I ask for rude, oddly-shaped people like the poster below to make snarky comments.

One would assume the the adults on this forum should know enough by now that if you do not have anything constructive to say that is topic related, you don't say anything at all. Apparently, a few people missed that lesson in kindergarten.
 
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Frankly, if you were sending me texts that are that long, often enough for such a concern to be an issue, I'd stop texting you!
 
I noticed, no biggie. ;)

Listen, I am not here to argue about what it can or can't do. The problem is several issues deep to be honest, I haven't even touched on carrier to carrier issues. Even if the OP sent an MMS, that does not mean that is buddy can do it the same way as he has an old phone. Also, it really is a carrier choice to allow text only MMS. I know the SGS1 can't do it and if they have enabled that in the SGS2 then it is a nice feature but I personally have not seen it. All of this being said, it still won't solve his problem. For now, a different way to communicate is the way to go until the carriers can implement what the OP wants.

I was merely responding to your statement regarding the fact that Apple can;t do this due to carrier restrictions. It seems to me it would solve the OP's problem, at least partially, in in that he could send at least his lengthy text as a single message, right?
 
Which I would love. If it were an open source industry standard.

Technically, it is. iMessage uses XMPP.

However, just because something contains open source technology, and even if iMessage became fully open and an industry standard, that doesn't mean that it's going to be something every platform will implement. Do you really think RIM will want to give up BBM, for instance?

Unfortunately, the equipment vendors like to be exclusive. SMS/MMS came about as a carrier innovation before it was determined by the equipment makers that they could differentiate their platforms, and that's what makes it technically "cross-platform."


That's kind of what I was saying getting at in the post above right before I read your post. Within the next 10-15 years, SMS limitations that no longer serve a purpose will eventually be overhauled.

And what I'm saying is, they're being overhauled now, through a proliferation of varying standards. They're just not being overhauled in the way you would like to see them.

Any carrier-implemented solution will need buy-in from equipment makers who make the handsets. who now see that they can have a bit more leverage in how their phones work if they can command a marketshare. And one way to command a marketshare is to have a differentiating messaging service, that unfortunately is "closed" to that platform by design: so that you can peer-pressure your friends into get x Phone so you can message them without it costing you money.

I'm not saying it'll never happen. I'm saying it'll take a very, very long time. Certainly not soon enough to solve your immediate problem. And it'll probably involve equipment vendors getting a bit of revenue share from it and probably some cross-licensing, which means it'll likely cost more.
 
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Just looked up those claims about the SGS2 and it actually depends on the carrier, some do send it as MMS, but not all.
 
Frankly, if you were sending me texts that are that long, often enough for such a concern to be an issue, I'd stop texting you!

Luckily, nobody here is talking about texting you anyway...

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Just looked up those claims about the SGS2 and it actually depends on the carrier, some do send it as MMS, but not all.

Works on ATT, at the very least (personal experience). It does want you to have 321+ characters though.
 
And the point you are missing is this: It is the year 2011, going on 2012. SMS is not used just for 160 character messages anymore.

ScaredPoet is pretty much spot on.

Wow, what part of a 160 character limit do you not get? It may be 2011 going on 2012 but the technology is still the same. This covers SMS.

MMS is a different story and sent in a different way. Could you do what you want via MMS? Sure, but that was not what the carriers designed it for and will likely not allow it. If there are phones that currently allow this then I would not be surprised if a carrier like AT&T squashes it with a patch after it is found.

I understand that text is important to you but one thing you keep failing to address is that your buddy has a phone that is old and can't handle SMS that is broken apart. If he updated his phone, that might solve the problem.

or....

You could just send a flipping e-mail! I get mine just as fast as my SMS now.

or....

You could simply stop sending that long of an SMS.
 
ScaredPoet is pretty much spot on.

Wow, what part of a 160 character limit do you not get? It may be 2011 going on 2012 but the technology is still the same. This covers SMS.

MMS is a different story and sent in a different way. Could you do what you want via MMS? Sure, but that was not what the carriers designed it for and will likely not allow it. If there are phones that currently allow this then I would not be surprised if a carrier like AT&T squashes it with a patch after it is found.

I understand that text is important to you but one thing you keep failing to address is that your buddy has a phone that is old and can't handle SMS that is broken apart. If he updated his phone, that might solve the problem.

or....

You could just send a flipping e-mail! I get mine just as fast as my SMS now.

or....

You could simply stop sending that long of an SMS.

He gets it... he wants to send as MMS and doesn't have the option and is wanting to be given them option. I still don't see why people are butting heads so badly over this. He wants a feature on the iPhone that is available on other phones. Simple. To the point. End of story.

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Nice rude attitude you have there!

You were the one that made the statement you wouldn't respond to a lengthy text in the first place, my friend...
 
ScaredPoet is pretty much spot on.

Wow, what part of a 160 character limit do you not get? It may be 2011 going on 2012 but the technology is still the same. This covers SMS.

MMS is a different story and sent in a different way. Could you do what you want via MMS? Sure, but that was not what the carriers designed it for and will likely not allow it. If there are phones that currently allow this then I would not be surprised if a carrier like AT&T squashes it with a patch after it is found.

I understand that text is important to you but one thing you keep failing to address is that your buddy has a phone that is old and can't handle SMS that is broken apart. If he updated his phone, that might solve the problem.

or....

You could just send a flipping e-mail! I get mine just as fast as my SMS now.

or....

You could simply stop sending that long of an SMS.

This person doesn't care, you're wasting your time. They want it there way and all the logic in the world isn't going to change that attitude.

He gets it... he wants to send as MMS and doesn't have the option and is wanting to be given them option. I still don't see why people are butting heads so badly over this. He wants a feature on the iPhone that is available on other phones. Simple. To the point. End of story.

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You were the one that made the statement you wouldn't respond to a lengthy text in the first place, my friend...

The last thing THIS woman would ever be is a friend of yours!
 
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This person doesn't care, you're wasting your time. They want it there way and all the logic in the world isn't going to change that attitude.

It's not at all about not caring. It's about asking for a feature to be implemented on the iPhone that other phones out there already have. Saying "write an email" in response to this is about as good as saying "make a phone call". Not helpful, not the point, so why even bring it up?

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You've yet to make one!

You said you wouldn't be interested in responding to a lengthy text. This is a pointless statement to make. It is neither helpful to the OP, me, or anyone else reading the thread, for that matter. I responded in kind. Anyway, I am done wasting my time responding to you like this. You have contributed nothing to the conversation thus far anyway...
 
He gets it... he wants to send as MMS and doesn't have the option and is wanting to be given them option. I still don't see why people are butting heads so badly over this. He wants a feature on the iPhone that is available on other phones. Simple. To the point. End of story.

This was something I already pointed out. There are very specific rules that the phone makes (Apple) have to follow before a carrier will allow the phone on the network. In the case of MMS, it is required to be used only for multimedia, not just text. If, and I say if as I have not seen one, there is a phone that will allow text only MMS, I would like to know the carrier and most likely it won't last long as the system was not designed for this.

As I said, I have used and have other phones (all flavors) and none would allow text only MMS. If the SGS2 is the only example we have here, it could simply be a bug.
 
This was something I already pointed out. There are very specific rules that the phone makes (Apple) have to follow before a carrier will allow the phone on the network. In the case of MMS, it is required to be used only for multimedia, not just text. If, and I say if as I have not seen one, there is a phone that will allow text only MMS, I would like to know the carrier and most likely it won't last long as the system was not designed for this.

As I said, I have used and have other phones (all flavors) and none would allow text only MMS. If the SGS2 is the only example we have here, it could simply be a bug.

I suppose it could be a bug. Or it could not be. I don't know, but I am not going to make the assumption that it is a bug since I see no reason to make that assumption. The only other smartphones I have had were the EVO, and the iPhone line, and my fiance uses the SGS2 along with an old iPhone 4, so I can't give any more specific examples. Of the (relatively few) different smartphones I have used, the SGS2 is the only one with this feature (or bug, depending on how you chose to see it).
 
Why don't you type you message in the Notes app. Makeing sure it stays the size of the screen. Take a screen shot of it and send that as an MMS?
 
This was something I already pointed out. There are very specific rules that the phone makes (Apple) have to follow before a carrier will allow the phone on the network. In the case of MMS, it is required to be used only for multimedia, not just text. If, and I say if as I have not seen one, there is a phone that will allow text only MMS, I would like to know the carrier and most likely it won't last long as the system was not designed for this.

As I said, I have used and have other phones (all flavors) and none would allow text only MMS. If the SGS2 is the only example we have here, it could simply be a bug.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong Wrong.

MMS is not limited in the way any of you describe. SMS may still have the old limits placed upon it from when it was invented, but you seem to not be reading the part where I explain that these limitations have been being worked-around for the past 10 goddamn years. You can say SMS is limited all you want - its only partially true because most phones work around it in the carrier messaging system itself unless they're super super old, cheap, or happen to be missing this functionally.

Go ahead. Say it again. SMS isn't for this. SMS has limitations.

Thats ****** wonderful. Phones have been working around that for awhile now. So as long as I am concerned, if it DOESN'T, then that is abnormal.

Also, as I state above, and found out independently - the iPhone DOES have this ability albeit just not one number to another number. It's gotta be group.

So, anyone need me to repeat myself? Or have we finally understood...

Christ almighty....
 
OP,

For starters, I can see how this might be annoying, but you (and all the people in here arguing with you) are blowing this wayyyy out of proportion.

1) you keep saying that a majority of phones send a text over 160characters as MMS... This is probably untrue.
*inb4anecdotalevidence*
I text A LOT of people with dumbphones... in the last 4 years, I've only gotten one MMS that was supposed to be a text. This was from a Samsung Galaxy S, and the only reason the phone converted it to MMS is because it was ridiculously long (I think it was 6 or 7 parts). I don't know any phone that automatically sends it as an MMS the moment it goes over 160. This may be an option in the phone's settings. And we all know that Apple isn't about options, so comparing that to the iPhone is a waste of time.
Look into jailbreaking/bitesms

2) In my opinion, it's not a problem the way the iphone sends messages. You say your friend sometimes gets them out of order? Who cares?? It's very easy to figure out the order of 4 or 5 text messages.

If you're friend, for some reason, just can't figure out the order of your messages, just attach an image to the sms.

Or find a smarter friend.
 
Why don't you type you message in the Notes app. Makeing sure it stays the size of the screen. Take a screen shot of it and send that as an MMS?

THANK YOU! Thank you for coming up with a ****workaround*** to the question at hand. Thank you for thinking. Thank you for being helpful. Thank you for not repeating things about SMS technology that hasn't been relevant since phones started working with larger messages. Thank you for not using the word email. You, sir or madam, I wish a very wonderful day. I hope you find a $20 on the ground. Better yet, I might just leave one on your door step!


(I actually did consider doing that btw, lol. I just wanted to see if a text-MMS option was possible. Instead I got bitching and out-dated facts that phones no longer play by.)
 
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Thank you for coming up with a solution to the question at hand.

I see that you don't know what the definition of solution. What the above poster said to do with the notes app is a workaround. Just like when I, along with other people, suggested attaching a photo to the sms. A workaround. And I still think attaching a photo would be better. Your friend would still see the actual "text" of the message, instead of a screenshot that will be compressed. Also, sense your friend has an "old" phone, I don't know how well he would be able to see the gimmicky font of the notes app.
 
THANK YOU! Thank you for coming up with a solution to the question at hand. Thank you for thinking. Thank you for being helpful. Thank you for not repeating things about SMS technology that hasn't been relevant since phones started working with larger messages. Thank you for not using the word email. You, sir or madam, I wish a very wonderful day. I hope you find a $20 on the ground. Better yet, I might just leave one on your door step!


(I actually did consider doing that btw, lol. I just wanted to see if a text-MMS option was possible. Instead I got bitching and out-dated facts that phones no longer play by.)

Now I am confused. Sarcasm can be tough to read, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but is this seriously a more viable option for you than just dealing with splits texts? :confused:
 
IN CONCLUSION

1) Carriers won't allow MMS to be text only: FALSE


Believe what you want, I am done trying to explain it to you as you clearly DON'T get it and don't want to listen.

As for being nice, you were the one that started being rude to people in this thread first. Have a nice day and I hope you find a solution to your issues (although I doubt you will).
 
OP,

For starters, I can see how this might be annoying, but you (and all the people in here arguing with you) are blowing this wayyyy out of proportion.

1) you keep saying that a majority of phones send a text over 160characters as MMS... This is probably untrue.
*inb4anecdotalevidence*
I text A LOT of people with dumbphones... in the last 4 years, I've only gotten one MMS that was supposed to be a text. This was from a Samsung Galaxy S, and the only reason the phone converted it to MMS is because it was ridiculously long (I think it was 6 or 7 parts). I don't know any phone that automatically sends it as an MMS the moment it goes over 160. This may be an option in the phone's settings. And we all know that Apple isn't about options, so comparing that to the iPhone is a waste of time.
Look into jailbreaking/bitesms

2) In my opinion, it's not a problem the way the iphone sends messages. You say your friend sometimes gets them out of order? Who cares?? It's very easy to figure out the order of 4 or 5 text messages.

If you're friend, for some reason, just can't figure out the order of your messages, just attach an image to the sms.

Or find a smarter friend.


You're right. But I didn't come here to get into any of this ****. I asked a very straight-forward question. I had 1 person who recognized how crazy other people were acting, just got one person who actually stayed on-topic and made a suggestion, and then there is you.

Ideally, I posted here to get a tidbit of info about this from anyone with knowledge about it. Not a page of bitching about people's metaphysics of SMS. Ultimately, I did end up finding the information I wanted. An MMS can be created, text-only, natively, from an iPhone. You just need to set it up as a group text first. e.g. send a copy to yourself.

let this forum be a testament to anyone else who has this oddly specific question. as well as a testament to never reference SGS2 in your question - even if you own a MacBook Pro, iPad 2, iPhone 4S, & Apple TV. If you smell like anything but an Apple store - the posters set their lasers to kill.
 
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