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True, although some things make it easier.

For example, if all the hardware uses microUSB cables instead of something proprietary.

Or especially if you store your data in a device agnostic cloud. That's why I like keeping calendar / mail / contacts with Google. I can easily switch between iOS, Android and Windows devices, and all the data is shared.

But But But your personal information is being sold to anyone off the street and google is scanning all your files, sending them to the NSA and laughing about your last research project over a cappuccino!!! :eek:;););)
 
True, although some things make it easier.

For example, if all the hardware uses microUSB cables instead of something proprietary.

Or especially if you store your data in a device agnostic cloud. That's why I like keeping calendar / mail / contacts with Google. I can easily switch between iOS, Android and Windows devices, and all the data is shared.

But can you migrate data and switch cloud provider easily.
 
True, although some things make it easier.

For example, if all the hardware uses microUSB cables instead of something proprietary.

Or especially if you store your data in a device agnostic cloud. That's why I like keeping calendar / mail / contacts with Google. I can easily switch between iOS, Android and Windows devices, and all the data is shared.

I get my calendar/mail and contacts on my Mac, iPhone and Windows machine. You can get all of those on Android as well. Not as locked in as you think. The real issue is transferring media that you purchase at iTunes Store. If you don't like that then just get your music and movies elsewhere. Hardly any of my music is purchased through Apple, but I use iTunes match and can access my entire library from my MacBook, Windows machine, iPhone, iPad and AppleTV. They aren't forcing anyone into the ecosystem. People are there because they like how it all works together.
 
"Apple is in danger of hanging on to old paradigm for too long (innovator's dilemma)."

Too bad Tim didn't get the memo.

Apple needs to stop reducing the size of their portfolio, like they did when they were at the verge of collapse. They are more successful than ever.

Expand the portfolio, compete in other segments, or die. Diversify, Apple!
 
As an Apple user, I'm ashamed by this lawsuit and supporters of Apple's claims. Did you honestly think that Apple should've been the only company to have a form factor like the iPhone? That's like saying no one else is allowed to come up with handheld GPS units or books shaped like rectangles or using your hands to do anything that would be considered a natural hand movement.

I hope Jailbroken application and feature developers start to patent their functions. I would love to see Apple getting sued and Apple users getting hindered and archaic features forced onto them because people who Apple stole ideas from start to hit Apple where they're used to throwing punches.

This is the equivalent of Lebron James suing a basketball player for doing a layup that he did first, better than him and beating him for the championship with it.
 
I don't get why people are "disturbed" by the ecosystem comment. Apple's ecosystem is a huge positive in my eyes and it's why me, and now my entire family and in laws, use iOS devices.

Safe apps, no need to worry about malicious code on the App Store, FaceTime, iMessage, etc. We all stay in touch using the same services and same type of devices.

Ecosystem is a huge plus point.

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As an Apple user, I'm ashamed by this lawsuit and supporters of Apple's claims. Did you honestly think that Apple should've been the only company to have a form factor like the iPhone? That's like saying no one else is allowed to come up with handheld GPS units or books shaped like rectangles or using your hands to do anything that would be considered a natural hand movement.

I hope Jailbroken application and feature developers start to patent their functions. I would love to see Apple getting sued and Apple users getting hindered and archaic features forced onto them because people who Apple stole ideas from start to hit Apple where they're used to throwing punches.

This is the equivalent of Lebron James suing a basketball player for doing a layup that he did first, better than him and beating him for the championship with it.

There has always been layups before Lebron James. There was never a smartphone like the iPhone before the iPhone. The argument about rectangles is woeful and a weak one.

Look at "smartphones" and touchscreen phones before the iPhone, they were horrible. Unresponsive, clunky, cheaply made, bundled with awful software, and couldn't load custom software like apps from an App Store.

I'm 35, I've gone from the good old Nokia 3210 to the Sony Ericsson P800 to the iPhone and used almost every "cutting edge" mobile phone in between.

The iPhone changed the phone industry. Even Android in its earliest forms was modelled on RIM's OS and then Google took a drastic u turn when they seen the iPhone, most probably through their "mole" on the board, Schmidt.

The fact is that Samsung done their devices off the back of the iPhone and iPad. They've made a fortune offering copies of what Apple done first and if Samsung is such an innovative company they'd have done them first or have files to back up the R&D years earlier.
 
I don't get why people are "disturbed" by the ecosystem comment.

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Even Android in its earliest forms was modelled on RIM's OS and then Google took a drastic u turn when they seen the iPhone, most probably through their "mole" on the board, Schmidt.

The fact is that Samsung done their devices off the back of the iPhone and iPad. They've made a fortune offering copies of what Apple done first and if Samsung is such an innovative company they'd have done them first or have files to back up the R&D years earlier.

1. "Some" people are disturbed because it's an eye opener for them that Apple isn't all warm and fuzzy about their users but rather - like every and any business - is about making money and retaining customers however they can. This shouldn't be disturbing. Unless you've been disillusioned.

2. Your assertions about Android are wrong. There were two modes being worked on. One with a keyboard and one without. The "famous" quote about seeing the iPhone and switching gears has been debunked many times. And Schmidt wasn't involved in meetings regarding the iPhone. Your timeline is off.

3. As for Samsung not being innovative - you're wrong. For YEARS in the cell phone industry they pushed boundaries. They have essential patents because of their tremendous investment in R&D. And most recently their breakthrough with Graphene, http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-gr...-wonder-material-from-the-lab-to-your-pocket/
 
1. "Some" people are disturbed because it's an eye opener for them that Apple isn't all warm and fuzzy about their users but rather - like every and any business - is about making money and retaining customers however they can. This shouldn't be disturbing. Unless you've been disillusioned.

2. Your assertions about Android are wrong. There were two modes being worked on. One with a keyboard and one without. The "famous" quote about seeing the iPhone and switching gears has been debunked many times. And Schmidt wasn't involved in meetings regarding the iPhone. Your timeline is off.

3. As for Samsung not being innovative - you're wrong. For YEARS in the cell phone industry they pushed boundaries. They have essential patents because of their tremendous investment in R&D. And most recently their breakthrough with Graphene, http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-gr...-wonder-material-from-the-lab-to-your-pocket/

Schmidt was very much aware of the iPhone while on Apple's board. He was brought on stage by Steve at the unveiling of the iPhone. Jobs kept iPad from him after feeling betrayed after seeing Google hoover up ideas for Android. Schmidt wasn't involved in meetings, as he wasn't part of the development team, but as a board member he knew it was happening.

My timeline is fine.

And again, if Samsung had all these patents and R&D why didn't they do it first? It's nothing to do with Apple simply getting there first, Samsung are not innovative ... and that goes down to their God awful consumer products like their cheap and nasty LCD televisions I've bought once and will never again.

Cheap, nasty, crud.
 
Schmidt was very much aware of the iPhone while on Apple's board. He was brought on stage by Steve at the unveiling of the iPhone. Jobs kept iPad from him after feeling betrayed after seeing Google hoover up ideas for Android. Schmidt wasn't involved in meetings, as he wasn't part of the development team, but as a board member he knew it was happening.

My timeline is fine.

And again, if Samsung had all these patents and R&D why didn't they do it first? It's nothing to do with Apple simply getting there first, Samsung are not innovative ... and that goes down to their God awful consumer products like their cheap and nasty LCD televisions I've bought once and will never again.

Cheap, nasty, crud.

No. Your timeline and conspiracy theory is completely incorrect. But you can enjoy having that fantasy. And my comment about Samsung's R&D referred to the years they have been in the industry and developed technology that, without then, there would be no iPhone. Apple definitely changed a lot in the industry - but they couldn't have done that without all of the many companies that came before them to build out the infrastructure and technology to get to the point where Apple could spend less that 200M developing the iPhone.

But since you prefer to keep your head in the sand, apparently, I don't expect you to understand historical context.
 
No. Your timeline and conspiracy theory is completely incorrect. But you can enjoy having that fantasy. And my comment about Samsung's R&D referred to the years they have been in the industry and developed technology that, without then, there would be no iPhone. Apple definitely changed a lot in the industry - but they couldn't have done that without all of the many companies that came before them to build out the infrastructure and technology to get to the point where Apple could spend less that 200M developing the iPhone.

But since you prefer to keep your head in the sand, apparently, I don't expect you to understand historical context.

Firstly, climb off your high horse.

Secondly, this is all I see when I read the above:

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WAY too intense.
 
Look at "smartphones" and touchscreen phones before the iPhone, they were horrible. Unresponsive, clunky, cheaply made, bundled with awful software, and couldn't load custom software like apps from an App Store.

Not sure where you're from, but in the USA, carriers did not restrict smartphones to their own stores. You could buy or download apps from anywhere, both native and J2ME.

When the iPhone came out, it was crippled in many ways compared to the smartphones of the time. Many others had 3G, GPS, MMS and video recording, all of which the first iPhone was missing for at least a year.

They also third party native apps such as Google Maps, TomTom navigation, medical dictionaries, Slingplayer TV, and of course games. Some even came with built-in app stores such as Handango (my favorite), who sold apps for every type of smartphone.

...if Samsung is such an innovative company they'd have done them first or have files to back up the R&D years earlier.

Samsung did have R&D files (see sample below). Judge Koh banned them over a technicality at Apple's request.

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Apple also managed to block any evidence from the Samsung F700 designer, which would've proved certain of their claimed unique design elements predated the iPhone:

f700.png

Apple's lawyers fought against Samsung showing it, claiming that, "Going into the design history of the F700 in particular is extremely prejudicial because the risk is high that the jury will consider the F700 as evidence of independent development, invalidity, or non-infringement regardless of whether or not Samsung encourages them to do so. "

Well duh.

If Apple truly believed they were in the right, why would they be so afraid of letting juries see prior art? The answer is, they had already lost design and patent trials in Europe when such evidence was shown. They also lost an injunction request in the US partly because the appellate judges DID have access to everything (unlike the jury).

Apple knew they were not first to invent everything they claimed. They were the first to popularize. Big difference, although they certainly deserve every credit for the latter.
 
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When the iPhone came out, it was crippled in many ways compared to the smartphones of the time. Many others had 3G, GPS, MMS and video recording, all of which the first iPhone was missing for at least a year.

They also third party native apps such as Google Maps, TomTom navigation, medical dictionaries, Slingplayer TV, and of course games. Some even came with built-in app stores such as Handango (my favorite), who sold apps for every type of smartphone.

It had the featured that a device of that size could bear, the previous phones were more like miniaturized desktops, a concept that did not work well, which is why it never became a widespread success.

Apple knew they were not first to invent everything they claimed. They were the first to popularize. Big difference, although they certainly deserve every credit for the latter.

And why do you suppose it became popular. They did it right and managed to make it work in that form factor on a touch screen, it's not something that is self-evident, it comes down to their implementation.
 
Interested read on the WSJ - I suggest people click in.

Of note

"In the same email, Jobs identified issues for the executives overseeing Apple’s iOS mobile software. He said the company “needed to catch up to Android where we are behind.” He cited “notifications, tethering and speech” as three areas, while writing that Apple could leapfrog Android with features like Siri, Apple’s speech-recognizing digital assistant."

and "Apple is in danger of hanging on to old paradigm for too long (innovator’s dilemma)” and “Google and Microsoft are further along on the technology” to connect and synchronize contacts, calendars, photos, music, videos and bookmarks across all devices using online services."

What's interesting is this is right from Jobs' himself. Which goes against what some people seem to believe here...

Err except this is for 2011. Right? 2011... wasn't iOS 5 released? iOS 5... didn't that bring iCloud (do not say Android has this, it simply does not), notification center, and tethering? So what exactly are you saying? That people are arguing on the forum about iOS 5? Cause I can tell you that is not true.

Also, how does comparing their product to their rivals and criticizing themselves a bad thing again? They didn't copy and paste icons, they weren't obsessed with another companies UI, and they weren't using unlicensed patents. If they did they were accused and guess what? They paid.
 
Err except this is for 2011. Right? 2011... wasn't iOS 5 released? iOS 5... didn't that bring iCloud (do not say Android has this, it simply does not), notification center, and tethering? So what exactly are you saying? That people are arguing on the forum about iOS 5? Cause I can tell you that is not true.

Also, how does comparing their product to their rivals and criticizing themselves a bad thing again? They didn't copy and paste icons, they weren't obsessed with another companies UI, and they weren't using unlicensed patents. If they did they were accused and guess what? They paid.

Missed the point entirely.
 
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