So in your view we should have indefinite national lockdowns? Lock every thing done forever maybe? Do you work for a living?
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So in your view we should have indefinite national lockdowns? Lock every thing done forever maybe? Do you work for a living?
If you think 4 weeks is going to do the job you’re dreaming. From Melbourne.
Anyone who thinks lockdowns are a good idea has never stayed up at night from the stress of wondering if you'll have money next week.
That can only ever be proven by a regression study that’ll never actually happen in full... the official data is 46.6 million confirmed cases currently... of which the US accounts for nearly 10... and 1.2 million deaths. Which also factors out to... 2.5%.
They didn't lie about it. They reported immediately, both to WHO and to Mr. Orange. Mr. Orange chose to play it down, though, and that's it. He didn't understand that the economy will not recover before corona is brought to its knees, like in China. China wins, hands down.
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But to be fair, China is playing by a different set of rules here.
An executive for China National Biotec is is reporting that 350,000 people have been given an phase 2 vaccine outside trials. It's also been reported that China's military, medical workers, and employees of state owned companies who anticipate traveling abroad have received stage 2 vaccines as well.
Sinovac has reported that approx. 90% of it's employees have taken the vaccine.
Right now, no vaccine is available in the US, or the EU outside testing due to more stringent protocols. In addition, a vaccine that has only passed stage 2 trials can't be given to at risk populations. The ones most likely to die from the virus.
It is anticipated that by the end of the year, the US/EU will have a vaccine that has been through stage 3 trials that can be safely given to everyone. Even then, many people are wary about getting it. I will do what my doctor tells me, I have multiple pre existing conditions and work in a job that puts me in greater contact with the population.
But if people are reluctant to take a vaccine that has been through stage 3 trials, how are you going to get them to take one that has only been through stage 2 trials?
In the end, it's not about "winners" and "losers". It's about humanity. Death, suffering, turmoil. I know that when one of the vaccine candidates makes it thought stage 3 trials, the US/EU won't withhold from the rest of the world.
So even if China currently is distributing a phase 2 vaccine, those people will have access to the phase 3 vaccine being currently developed.
Winning isn't everything....
That current trend line, with fall weather and school reopening upon us, suggests we haven’t seen anything yet.
Not just plain idiocy -something one could feel sorry for-, but also parroting extremely dangerously misleading misinformation to others - which should be punished severely -.
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Anyone who thinks lock downs are a bad idea probably has never worked as a healthcare frontline worker and dealt with the stress and burnout and eventual PTSD of seeing large numbers of people suffer and die.
Suicides of two health care workers hint at the Covid-19 mental health crisis to come
Even before the #Covid19 pandemic emerged, moral injury and burnout were rampant among clinicians. Coping with Covid-19 has magnified many of those challenges and added new ones with the reality of resource constraints.
www.statnews.com
Psychological Trauma Is the Next Crisis for Coronavirus Health Workers
Hero worship alone doesn’t protect frontline clinicians from distress
Health care workers share the devastating mental toll of COVID-19: "I'm no hero, I'm broken"
"I close my eyes and I see the patient that I took care of last. I see the image… just images of suffering," a nurse said. "I think that's gonna scar me for life."
www.cbsnews.com
‘I Can’t Turn My Brain Off’: PTSD and Burnout Threaten Medical Workers (Published 2020)
Before Covid-19, health care workers were already vulnerable to depression and suicide. Mental health experts now fear even more will be prone to trauma-related disorders.
'Death is our greeter': Doctors, nurses struggle with mental health as coronavirus cases grow
Hospitals across the USA are worried about protecting health care staff from serious mental fallout after weeks of fighting a relentless virus.
www.usatoday.com
What you call left wing Democrats are by most people’s standards still fairly right wing.
I would argue that they are further to right than our current right leaning government here in the U.K.
You need to research how this is done. The IFR, the Infection fatality rate, is the measure used by epidemiologists and CDC and every major health organization in the world to determine fatalities due to a virus.
No one uses the method you propose( the case fatality rate) because it’s Dependent on the number of people who have been tested not the number of people who actually have been infected. Everyone knows there are many more people who have been infected by the virus then the number of people who have been tested for it, so it’s silly to use that measurement.
This is why the CDC and every major health organization determines the seasonal flu, Ebola, etc,. fatality rate by testing the blood supply for the presence of antigens.
Finally, you’re dead wrong about the reporting of COVId deaths. Here’s the link to the head of US efforts i. This regard, Dr Birx https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...e_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html#!
If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. China lied, and people died. Very simple. They did not immediately tell The WH O and when they did they told them the virus is not easily transmissible between humans.
Anyone who thinks lock downs are a bad idea probably has never worked as a healthcare frontline worker and dealt with the stress and burnout and eventual PTSD of seeing large numbers of people suffer and die.
Suicides of two health care workers hint at the Covid-19 mental health crisis to come
Even before the #Covid19 pandemic emerged, moral injury and burnout were rampant among clinicians. Coping with Covid-19 has magnified many of those challenges and added new ones with the reality of resource constraints.
Psychological Trauma Is the Next Crisis for Coronavirus Health Workers
Hero worship alone doesn’t protect frontline clinicians from distresswww.scientificamerican.com
Health care workers share the devastating mental toll of COVID-19: "I'm no hero, I'm broken"
"I close my eyes and I see the patient that I took care of last. I see the image… just images of suffering," a nurse said. "I think that's gonna scar me for life."
‘I Can’t Turn My Brain Off’: PTSD and Burnout Threaten Medical Workers (Published 2020)
Before Covid-19, health care workers were already vulnerable to depression and suicide. Mental health experts now fear even more will be prone to trauma-related disorders.www.nytimes.com
'Death is our greeter': Doctors, nurses struggle with mental health as coronavirus cases grow
Hospitals across the USA are worried about protecting health care staff from serious mental fallout after weeks of fighting a relentless virus.www.usatoday.com
That would require them to think of or care about other people, which they seem congenitally incapable of doing.
2019-12-30: China reported to WHO. International media reported.
2020-01-01: China informed CDC. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/testing-coronavirus-pandemic.html
2020-01-07: China publishes the gene sequence, nations can initiate testing.
2020-01-22: Trump twitters: It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s—going to be just fine.
2020-01-24: Trump Twitters: China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
2020-01-27: US intelligence warns for a pandemic, Mr. Orange shrugs. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html
2020-01-30: WHO declares international emergency.
2020-01-30: Trump: We only have five people. Hopefully, everything’s going to be great. They have somewhat of a problem, but hopefully, it’s all going to be great. But we’re working with China, just so you know, and other countries very, very closely. So it doesn’t get out of hand. But it’s, you know, it’s something that we have to be very, very careful with, right? We have to be very careful.
2020-02-04: We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China. My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat.
2020-02-10: Trump: Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine.
2020-02-11: Trump: In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it’s actually less.
2020-02-28: Trump: Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over. And this is their new hoax.
2020-03-05: Trump: Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus situation. The April 2009-10 Swine Flu, where nearly 13,000 people died in the U.S., was poorly handled
2020-03-10: Trump: This was unexpected. And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.
2020-03-25: Trump: Nobody would ever believe a thing like that’s possible. Nobody could have ever seen something like this coming, but now we know, and we know it can happen and happen again.
You see the progression: only 1 people, only 5 people, only 12 people,… now 9,529,006 people, of which 236,814 are DEAD. It's called exponential growth, stuff Trump never learned at Wharton or elsewhere, and frankly is too stupid to grasp.
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Yeah... no.
The death-to-case mortality rate is against people that have any disease. Not those that had a test. Cancer wouldn’t be a problem if everyone that ever had a biopsy ever in their lives counted in the mortality rate. Your political BS answer to soften the blow of how poorly this administration has done is a garbage number.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
coronavirus.jhu.edu
Man... that number seems to match mine. Must be an error, I guess.
Then, since you’re concerned with the death rate instead of the mortality rate... we currently sit at 299,028 excess deaths this year over projected levels from that death rate. We have a reported 231,000 Covid deaths. Totally fake disease I guess, total coincidence.
Sorry, not sorry.
Humans can influence the result.
Look at countries like China, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, New Zealand and many others.
Even my own country, Norway, which has had a huge increase in new cases in October, there were only 5 deaths during last month, bringing the total up to 282. And Norway has had virtually zero use of masks until about 2 weeks ago.
Had Trump and the US done the job properly in February and March, so many lives could have been saved.