Security Update 2005-008 for Mac OS X

[Stridder44]

I hope you're kidding. Because you could start by reading the damn thread.

HIIISSSS!!! *makes cat sounds*


forgive me Forum Nazi

 

[shamino]

Apple offers more OS fixes than Microsoft. I think that's a good thing, but people always make fun of MS about the number of security updates they get, which is just ignorant.

It's not the number of patches, but the number of bugs that remain after the patch is applied

Of course, IT professionals have a reason to complain about the number of patches. Each patch has to be tested against the corporate standard set of apps before deployment over the corporate LAN. This can take quite a bit of time. (If this is not done, and the patch breaks an app, the company will lose a lot of productivity until the problems can be fixed or worked around.)

 

[WildCowboy]

VERY happy to see Sound Check enabled for the Shuffle...now, to run it through its paces...

 

[afehrenbach]

Now, I have no idea as to how the two may be related, but when I installed this security update and restarted, my iMac G5(17 in, 1.6 GHz)'s engines went haywire, and the fans were increasing speed and decibal rapidly. I thought for sure that the disc would get fried at the rate it was going, and, not having success re-restarting the iMac by pressing the power button on the back, I ended up hitting the button on my power strip to turn everything off. I then restarted, and everything's fine again.... For now...
Don't know if anyone has experienced this with any other updates, but if so, fill me in, please. Thank you...

 

[fklehman]

No problems for me either on my Pismo. I've been ignoring Sec. Update 2005-007 all this time because of the problems it caused for many people, and when 008 came out I finally installed both at the same time. All is well.

 

[samh004]

After installation, my computer posted "OS X needs keychain password for SYSTEM" and asked me to enter it. I have no idea what my system keychain password is....

That should be your root password or your admin password, the one you enter when you do an update and it asks for a password to authenticate...

That dialogue came up for me and that's what I entered, and it worked I guess... but then my dock kind of crashed (wouldn't display program names when my mouse was over them and magnification failed). then i restarted and my speakers don't work now.

But the dock is back to normal

 

[aznsal612]

HIIISSSS!!! *makes cat sounds*


forgive me Forum Nazi

Forgiven.

 

[shamino]

Now, I have no idea as to how the two may be related, but when I installed this security update and restarted, my iMac G5(17 in, 1.6 GHz)'s engines went haywire, and the fans were increasing speed and decibal rapidly. I thought for sure that the disc would get fried at the rate it was going,

On a G5, fan speed is software controlled. If the controlling software crashes or otherwise stops, the fans all go to full speed, in order to prevent the possibility of overheating.

The fans speeding up is not a bug or a second problem, but a symptom of a crash, either of the whole system, or of at least the fan-controlling piece of it.

 

[artifex]

I can totally understand mikataur here. yeah, he bought the iPod with a certain feature set, but it's not an unchangeable object as such. The iPod has a huge hard drive on it which leaves ample room for improvements via software. Apple can easily choose to update that sw. If they don't, it's their choice - and I can understand how one could be disappointed by that.

Well, I'm disappointed I can't walk into an Apple Store with my B&W U2 iPod and $30 and get a color screen upgrade. Not that I really need to see album colors

 

[veedubdrew]

Is it just me or does the Shuffle fill up a heck of a lot faster now? It seems to fly through updating the songs compared to the glacial pace of before.

-Drew

 

[JohnK.O]

Is it just me or does the Shuffle fill up a heck of a lot faster now? It seems to fly through updating the songs compared to the glacial pace of before.

-Drew

I'd agree with that... 64 songs updated in no time at all. Now i just hope its sorted out the problem of the shuffle not being random enough.

 

[garybUK]

It broke Samba ... well I had to unbind my machines and re-bind them to the AD directory and edit /private/etc/smb.conf with the correct Workgroup name after this update.


Very very annoyed!

 

[jsw]

I'd agree with that... 64 songs updated in no time at all. Now i just hope its sorted out the problem of the shuffle not being random enough.

I'm not seeing any real improvement in my Shuffle loading speeds.

 

[Mavimao]

I'm not seeing any real improvement in my Shuffle loading speeds.

Me neither really. Perhaps an itty bit, but nothing huge. I'm still using USB 1... :-(

It does seem to have fixed the Podcast issue a bit. Instead of starting halfway through the podcast, it'll start a few second into it.

I haven't tested the shuffle not being random enough.

But I wonder if it now lets you plug it into other computers to play what's on your play list? Hmmm...gotta try that out.

 

[crpchristian]

ugh...why?

So installed the security update along with the itunes update and now my computer will only boot up in safe mode (dual 2.3 , 10.4.2). I've had issues with the computer restarting when i shutdown (apple has a doc stating is might have to do with dual vga monitors or something) but now i can't even start it up (aside from safe mode).

Any one else have any problems like this? This is really starting to get on my nerves.

 

[iDM]

I, too, was happy to see this update for Panther as well. I honestly don't know if I'll be moving to Tiger or not, and perhaps even just waiting for Leopard, so it's nice to know Apple isn't forgetting about me. Now when they start releasing security updates a year from now and I'm still on Panther, I guess we'll see if this is still the case.

I love Spotlight and all, but tiger is kidnapping all my ram hopefully Leopard will hook people up who aren't running 2 gigs of ram or a new Intel

+1 post for me

 

[~Shard~]

I love Spotlight and all, but tiger is kidnapping all my ram hopefully Leopard will hook people up who aren't running 2 gigs of ram or a new Intel

+1 post for me

This is one of my concerns as well. Spotlight looks great (although I question how much I would use it since I like to keep my computer organized... ), but the first time I heard about Dashboard it set off a red flag for me, and I thought, "Hmm, that has the potential to be a huge resource hog" - chalk it up to my experience with Konfabulator. I'm sure it's not that bad, but I have read and heard many comments about Tiger being a lot more RAM hungry than Panther. As a result, I'm in all likelihood going to hold off upgrading my OS until Leopard comes out, whether that's a year and a half away or not.

 

[samh004]

Just wanted to mention that my speakers are now working again, after a day when they just wouldn't work at all, this morning I switched on the computer and the chime was back, who knows why they stopped working...?

 

[Mechcozmo]

Just wanted to mention that my speakers are now working again, after a day when they just wouldn't work at all, this morning I switched on the computer and the chime was back, who knows why they stopped working...?

Volume was off?

 

[Nitrocide]

After installing on my mac (P.M. G5 2GHz 1st gen.) i restarted as usual, but (and as im begining to see this isnt the only case) it refused to load past the initial loading screen. and the fans reved up full requiring a forced shut down.

This problem would occur EVERY time i started up, so in the end had to run from the installation disk and archive install. really annoying, but it worked, i just had to re-download/install all the updates again, yet this time it didnt screw my system.

At first i thought it was my hard drive finally giving up on me (It started complaining of a "critical error (or something?)" pretty much soon after i got the machine.

Hope this was... useful?? to someone =5
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[shamino]

I love Spotlight and all, but tiger is kidnapping all my ram hopefully Leopard will hook people up who aren't running 2 gigs of ram or a new Intel

Are you seeing any performance degradation? Swapping?

If not, then ignore the amount of memory "in use". It's a meaningless figure on a modern OS like OS X. Unused memory is wasted memory. A smart OS will use all your RAM for something. If not for running apps, then for disk cache or pre-fetching stuff that it thinks apps may want later.

If you really care about meaningless statistics, the one that is the most useful is the "Inactive" memory count. That is memory that is in-use, but can be immediately discarded if needed to satisfy an application's request. If the sum of Inactive and Free memory together drops too low, then you'll see some swapping. A small amount of swapping isn't a problem, but a large amount will dramatically slow down the system.

FWIW, on my system, I've 1G of RAM. It lists 820M as "used", but 467M of that is inactive. Meaning 65% my RAM (204M free + 467M inactive = 671M) is available for apps, even though 80% is "used".

 

[shamino]

This is one of my concerns as well. Spotlight looks great (although I question how much I would use it since I like to keep my computer organized... ), but the first time I heard about Dashboard it set off a red flag for me, and I thought, "Hmm, that has the potential to be a huge resource hog" - chalk it up to my experience with Konfabulator. I'm sure it's not that bad, but I have read and heard many comments about Tiger being a lot more RAM hungry than Panther. As a result, I'm in all likelihood going to hold off upgrading my OS until Leopard comes out, whether that's a year and a half away or not.

Be sure you look at the right statistics.

For instance, when you've got something like Dashboard, where lots of processes are all using the same large-size shared libraries and frameworks (like WebKit), memory-usage apps will get confused. They'll see each one using a ton of memory, leaving it up to you to realize that most of that memory is shared among them all.

Look at the amount of free+inactive memory, and the amount of swapping. Those figures will give you a much better feel for what memory usage really is.

That being said, Tiger probably does consume more. Note that Apple increased their minimum requirements from 128M to 256M. Of course, 128M was always too small, even back when 10.0 was shipping, so this change might not have too much to do with actual requirements changing.

 

[~Shard~]

Be sure you look at the right statistics.

For instance, when you've got something like Dashboard, where lots of processes are all using the same large-size shared libraries and frameworks (like WebKit), memory-usage apps will get confused. They'll see each one using a ton of memory, leaving it up to you to realize that most of that memory is shared among them all.

Look at the amount of free+inactive memory, and the amount of swapping. Those figures will give you a much better feel for what memory usage really is.

That being said, Tiger probably does consume more. Note that Apple increased their minimum requirements from 128M to 256M. Of course, 128M was always too small, even back when 10.0 was shipping, so this change might not have too much to do with actual requirements changing.

Cool, thanks for the insight shamino, I appreciate it. You learn some thing new every day! I'll definitely keep what you've said in mind, as I never thought to look at it that way before.

 

[shamino]

Just wanted to mention that my speakers are now working again, after a day when they just wouldn't work at all, this morning I switched on the computer and the chime was back, who knows why they stopped working...?

Could you have been seeing this?

Apparently Mac OS turns off the speakers when going to sleep (to save power) and it doesn't turn them back on again until the first sound is played. If you wake up from sleep and then do a shutdown/restart, the volume level saved in NVRAM is left at zero, and you don't hear a startup chime.

The workaround (if you care) is to do something that makes a sound before shutdown/restart.

 

[~Shard~]

Could you have been seeing this?

Apparently Mac OS turns off the speakers when going to sleep (to save power) and it doesn't turn them back on again until the first sound is played. If you wake up from sleep and then do a shutdown/restart, the volume level saved in NVRAM is left at zero, and you don't hear a startup chime.

The workaround (if you care) is to do something that makes a sound before shutdown/restart.

Wow, something else I never knew - you're just a fountain of knowledge, aren't you shamino? Now that you mention this, I think this has happened to me once or twice as well, but I never thought much of it. Interesting...