Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
According to Steve Jobs, iOS 4.2 for iPad is coming out in November, 2010. I wonder why it is taking Apple so long to update iOS on the iPad, especially considering the fact that iOS for iPad is very similar to iOS for iPhone and iOS for iPod Touch. Could the November release of iOS 4.2 for iPad signal the concurrent launch of the 2nd generation iPad with the front-facing camera?

I think this is a plausible idea - we would be talking about iPad 1.1 and not 2.0 (which might be released according to a more regular 12 month cycle).

Any additions would be primarily in the interests of increased consistency between the OS 4.2 hardware platforms.

E.g. Front facing camera, gyroscope, possibly more memory.

Most of these changes could be made "under the hood" and would not involve major re-tooling.

Could make sense.
 
With iOS4 multitasking, when RAM runs out the system dumps the suspended program into flash memory. Even if it's no longer stored in RAM, it will still almost instantaneously reload to your exact same spot. The RAM deficiency will only be noticed when an app must continue to run instead of just freeze state. Eg, keeping safari tabs in RAM, and if you multitask enough actively running programs at once, like iPod, Safari, Mail, Pandora, downloading a file... to be honest I don't see how it can be done that you'll have 200+ MB of RAM being actively used with the way Apple implemented the system. Almost all programs save state and freeze, there are very few that stay active.

Are you sure about that? In my experience it's not the case.

"Old" games that are still in the task switch list but haven't been run in a while (meaning other apps have slowly needed and used memory) relaunch completely. There is no practical difference between launching them from the list and closing them out completely or rebooting and then launching them.

Apple even says that during low memory situations, your app must be prepared to be quit by the OS- and then it would have to make the same allowance that is made under iOS 3 to save its state manually.

Can you direct me to anything that says the app's memory image is frozen to disk and then reloaded when it's launched? (Not saying you're wrong, but that's not how I read the docs and not my experience in real life with the iPhone 4/3GS)...
 
"Old" games that are still in the task switch list but haven't been run in a while (meaning other apps have slowly needed and used memory) relaunch completely.

That has been my experience as well, except for Flight Control, which has it's state saved by the game itself and not using iOS 4 multitasking save states :p.
 
What I find more interesting

What i find more interesting is that unlike 3.x updates which were more fixes to issues or patching holes 4.x updates continue to add features:D
 
That has been my experience as well, except for Flight Control, which has it's state saved by the game itself and not using iOS 4 multitasking save states :p.

Right. Because if you think about it, if the OS needs to save a 70 meg (for example) game state, that's going to take several seconds.. Slowing down the launch of the next app. Relying on the developer to save his or her own app state is usually only going to be a few K at most. And then going back to the app would need to load that 70 megs again, which probably wouldn't save much over just launching the app anyway. It's pretty easy to see the difference in apps with big splash sequences vs apps that just pop right back to where they were when you quit them.

Who knows though, maybe Apple recognizes the need for something like this in iOS 4.2 since the iPad is more "RAM starved" than the other iOS devices due to having larger and more complex apps. Perhaps the tradeoff of slower app "quitting" is worth it since you'd be able to hold far fewer apps in RAM before running out.
 
Are you sure about that? In my experience it's not the case.

"Old" games that are still in the task switch list but haven't been run in a while (meaning other apps have slowly needed and used memory) relaunch completely. There is no practical difference between launching them from the list and closing them out completely or rebooting and then launching them.

Apple even says that during low memory situations, your app must be prepared to be quit by the OS- and then it would have to make the same allowance that is made under iOS 3 to save its state manually.

Can you direct me to anything that says the app's memory image is frozen to disk and then reloaded when it's launched? (Not saying you're wrong, but that's not how I read the docs and not my experience in real life with the iPhone 4/3GS)...

You know, I was so sure I was right, but looked it up anyway, and I was totally wrong. You're right, frozen apps do not transfer over to flash memory. If memory runs out, the system closes frozen apps from the RAM and you have to reload them from the start.

I think Apple needs to get their stuff together with utilizing some flash memory for cache for the OS.
 
Man just wait until next year when iPad 2 comes out.
Can you imagine that beast with a retina display and 512 or ram?
Holy sh**!
I have the 16 gig wifi +3G and it is Fu***** awesome.
I'm going to post some videos of me using my iPad at my front desk job on south beach.

512MB of RAM? Probably. Retina display? Not happening. Why? GPU. There is not a mobile GPU alive that can handle 2048 x 1536. Find me one, and we'll talk. Retina will not come to iPad or Mac until those types of GPUs can handle the strain with no delay. Until then, be happy with what you have. =)
 
512MB of RAM? Probably. Retina display? Not happening. Why? GPU. There is not a mobile GPU alive that can handle 2048 x 1536. Find me one, and we'll talk. Retina will not come to iPad or Mac until those types of GPUs can handle the strain with no delay. Until then, be happy with what you have. =)

Yeah... If anything I'd expect a 1280 x 960 display or something just a little better. 1600 x 1200 would be amazing. Would cause more pain than simply doubling the resolution like with the iPhone though :/
 
Yeah... If anything I'd expect a 1280 x 960 display or something just a little better. 1600 x 1200 would be amazing. Would cause more pain than simply doubling the resolution like with the iPhone though :/

Still expensive, and very clumsy for app conversion and back/forward compatibility. Anything but double both ways is just not sensible. I'd say we will have a 7" iPad at some point (maybe as soon as November), with the same resolution. Until Apple can move the whole thing forward (Apple could have done Retina at any point, but they kept the 320x480 for three generations and 6 devices.) they won't move at all.

EDIT : Like, for example. Going with the double on both dimensions, a Macbook would be 2560 x 1600. That's insane. The 27" iMacs would be 5120 x 2880. Insane stuff, that is several years in the future.
 
I think this is a plausible idea - we would be talking about iPad 1.1 and not 2.0 (which might be released according to a more regular 12 month cycle).

Any additions would be primarily in the interests of increased consistency between the OS 4.2 hardware platforms.

E.g. Front facing camera, gyroscope, possibly more memory.

Most of these changes could be made "under the hood" and would not involve major re-tooling.

Could make sense.

If they were to come out with the iPad you are talking about, what would they have left to release for the next version 4 months later? Retina Display? Dream on. And why not just have the iPad you are talking about be the "2.0" and release it on the regular cycle?

I have yet to see a single good reason for Apple to release a new iPad in November. Nobody is making any sense here. There will be no "quiet" update that is a "minor" update. The current iPad design has no pre-cut space for a front-facing camera anyway, so they would have to do some engineering for it to work. An update with a gyro and more memory makes sense, but if they were to put a camera in it they would likely change the casing significantly and would place that in line with a major update.

People just love to speculate, but the reality is pretty clear, no updates until next year. They are releasing 4.2 on the schedule that fits within their development cycle on a software side, it has nothing to do with hardware.

If we start to see more real evidence of new hardware coming out soon then I will be happy to shut up and agree. Until then, give me some reasons why it makes sense, because we have absolutely no evidence right now.
 
According to Steve Jobs, iOS 4.2 for iPad is coming out in November, 2010. I wonder why it is taking Apple so long to update iOS on the iPad, especially considering the fact that iOS for iPad is very similar to iOS for iPhone and iOS for iPod Touch. Could the November release of iOS 4.2 for iPad signal the concurrent launch of the 2nd generation iPad with the front-facing camera?

No

SJ

Sent from my iPad.
 
According to Steve Jobs, iOS 4.2 for iPad is coming out in November, 2010. I wonder why it is taking Apple so long to update iOS on the iPad, especially considering the fact that iOS for iPad is very similar to iOS for iPhone and iOS for iPod Touch. Could the November release of iOS 4.2 for iPad signal the concurrent launch of the 2nd generation iPad with the front-facing camera?

From what i've heard there making 2 different sizes of the iPad along with the current there marketing it towards eBooks and some other things, (Not that the iBooks store down in Aust is any good stupid Aust publishers) so i think they will release the 2 other sizes around this time, though these may not have the camera, iPads with cameras are more likely due for it's 1st birthday.
Then again i could be completely wrong with this ...time will tell
 Apple FTW 
 
Serious question.

Will the iPad having half the Ram of the new iPhone mean that it is going to to multitasking (task switching) in not such a good way than the iPhone?

I assume an app takes up some ram, and to hold one in limbo must use ram?

I'm praying it won't be an issue, but I'm thinking there must be some downside when it comes to this new feature and my iPad only having half the Ram.

I'm guessing we won't know for sure, till someone here loads the same apps on both devices and uses the same options and see if the iPad suffers.

I mean the Double Ram on the iPhone MUST be being put to good use, it's not just sitting there unused is it?

Not to worry,works fine on the 3GS,same ram as the iPad.As others have said,the main reason for the larger ram is probably 720p video and iMovie.
 
Arg I wish they would release the beta already.

I can't count the number of times I've logged into the iOS site looking to see if 4.2 beta has dropped since last Wednesday, when 4.1 was publicly released.

Edit: Just checked again. Nope.
 
The fact that China is just now getting the iPad does not mean that Apple cannot launch 2nd generation iPad in November. China has very restrictive rules on a lot of things. For example, Apple was selling iPhones with disabled Wi-Fi in China because of the China's government restrictions. I would not be surprised if the Chinese government banned the iPad with Face Time, so Apple may be forced to continue offering camera-less iPad for the Chinese market.

There is also a chance that Apple would carry both generations at the same time for the holiday season while marking down the 1st generation iPad. There are a lot of people who would choose a camera-less iPad if it cost $100 less. Not everyone uses video chat, so the benefit of the front-facing camera is lost on many people.

Apple just may surprise everyone and come out with the 2nd generation iPad in November. As for the reviewers, this would be an incremental update to the hardware - nothing revolutionary. Back in the beginning of 2010, the iPad was something so conceptually new that Apple really needed to create positive PR about this product, which they successfully achieved before launching the product. This time around, the iPad is so hot that they don't even need to advertise it. There are certain markets in the US where there is still a long waiting list to get one.

Why have so many people convinced themselves of this on zero evidence for,and years of Apple behavior indicating it won't happen??Why?
We may see a smaller iPad though.
 
If they were to come out with the iPad you are talking about, what would they have left to release for the next version 4 months later? Retina Display? Dream on. And why not just have the iPad you are talking about be the "2.0" and release it on the regular cycle?

I have yet to see a single good reason for Apple to release a new iPad in November. Nobody is making any sense here. There will be no "quiet" update that is a "minor" update. The current iPad design has no pre-cut space for a front-facing camera anyway, so they would have to do some engineering for it to work. An update with a gyro and more memory makes sense, but if they were to put a camera in it they would likely change the casing significantly and would place that in line with a major update.

People just love to speculate, but the reality is pretty clear, no updates until next year. They are releasing 4.2 on the schedule that fits within their development cycle on a software side, it has nothing to do with hardware.

If we start to see more real evidence of new hardware coming out soon then I will be happy to shut up and agree. Until then, give me some reasons why it makes sense, because we have absolutely no evidence right now.

Well said.But the true believers just gonna keep believin'...till December.
 
Why have so many people convinced themselves of this on zero evidence for,and years of Apple behavior indicating it won't happen??Why?
We may see a smaller iPad though.

Exactly, it really confuses me. I guess people just love the idea of a new iPad and don't really think about the full picture.
 
Not to worry,works fine on the 3GS,same ram as the iPad.As others have said,the main reason for the larger ram is probably 720p video and iMovie.
Nah, the new iPod touch has 256MB RAM. It supports 720p HD video recording and runs iMovie.

Maybe another reason, but not yours at this time.
 
I can't count the number of times I've logged into the iOS site looking to see if 4.2 beta has dropped since last Wednesday, when 4.1 was publicly released.

Edit: Just checked again. Nope.
Why even bother logging into the iOS site?

All the rumors sites would have it plastered on their homepages.
 
kntgsp said:
Don't know how much. How many tabs can the iPhone3GS running iOS4 keep open without needing to refresh? Poster above says 2-3.

That is my biggest gripe about the current iPad is that annoying refresh of tabs. I can keep 2 open without them needing to refresh as I tab back and forth, but 3 usually makes them refresh (depends on page size), and 4+ is no-go.

Would like to see the iPad be able to have 4 tabs open without needing to refresh, only time will tell if iOS 4.2 on the iPad makes that possible.


Just use Perfect Browser from the app store, better tabs at the top like it should be and no refreshing. It beats Safari on the iPad. Been using it for a very long time and love it.

Sent from my iPad using Perfect Browser
 
The fact that China is just now getting the iPad does not mean that Apple cannot launch 2nd generation iPad in November. China has very restrictive rules on a lot of things. For example, Apple was selling iPhones with disabled Wi-Fi in China because of the China's government restrictions. I would not be surprised if the Chinese government banned the iPad with Face Time, so Apple may be forced to continue offering camera-less iPad for the Chinese market.

There is also a chance that Apple would carry both generations at the same time for the holiday season while marking down the 1st generation iPad. There are a lot of people who would choose a camera-less iPad if it cost $100 less. Not everyone uses video chat, so the benefit of the front-facing camera is lost on many people.

Apple just may surprise everyone and come out with the 2nd generation iPad in November. As for the reviewers, this would be an incremental update to the hardware - nothing revolutionary. Back in the beginning of 2010, the iPad was something so conceptually new that Apple really needed to create positive PR about this product, which they successfully achieved before launching the product. This time around, the iPad is so hot that they don't even need to advertise it. There are certain markets in the US where there is still a long waiting list to get one.

I beg to differ for several reasons:

1) Current production barely meets the current demand, so concurrent sales of the current model and a newer one is highly unlikely unless Apple was silently sitting on a stockpile, and especially becauser Apple doesn't like to drop the price on their stuff.

2) If a new iPad was so close, they wouldn't have ramped up production of the current model, with plans to further increase production for the holidays.

3) Currently the rumour mill is ticking over veeeery slowly when it comes to iPad Gen 2 news - most of it is just rehashed or opinion, and especially telling is the fact that a lot of the rumours come from "anonymous" and "unnamed" sources (which probably means someone misread something and made a mountain out of a molehill). If the next iPad were really only two months out, we'd have a LOT more solid information - if the iPhone4 leaks are anything to go by.

And finally:

4) The current iPad still hasn't rolled out world-wide, and probably still won't have by the end of the year. Sure, you could argue that those who haven't gotten the iPad Gen 1 yet could be supplied the Gen 2, but then you'd be ignoring the fact that they can barely meet demand right now for the current version. They'd have to be secretly knocking out thousands of the Gen 2 a day right now in order to meet the expected demand for the holidays. Considering that they sold a million units in 28 days first time around, this would mean that if iPad Gen 2 started production right now, they'd need to knock out around 14,000 units a day in order to be ready for release at the end of November (1,000,000 units/70 ish days until 1st of December = 1,000,000/70 = 14,286 units a day). That's a big ask.

I think that a lot of the stuff going around about the next iPad's "immininent" release is because people want the next generation with certain features so much that they wish it would come so soon, and consequently interpret any evidence, irrespective of how tenuous, as suggesting that an update is just around the bend because then their desire for a new Apple gadget could possibly be satisfied sooner than well-grounded logic tells us will most likely be the case.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.