Nostromo
macrumors 65816
When you read my post, then you'll see that I never said it was close.
I said "shares workflow moments", which is quite different.
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Sell Final Cut Studio 2 - buy FCPX?
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When you read my post, then you'll see that I never said it was close.
I said "shares workflow moments", which is quite different.
Well, as mentioned in my last post, I have to think about it. The feedback I got from this thread (including yours) actually has me leaning towards giving FCPX time to mature. As you wrote "if it ain´t broken, don´t fix it", and I AM very happy with my FCS2.
BTW: I still see FCS2 going for 2-300$ on eBay and local equivalents.
Regarding installation on Lion: ONLY the installer needs Rosetta - the rest are Universal Apps. So if your Mac isn´t entirely new, you can install FCS2 under SL, then upgrade to Lion. And other workarounds are already popping up all over the place. Examples (haven´t confirmed them for myself though):
http://imnotbruce.blogspot.com/2011/06/roaringapps-final-cut-studio.html
http://www.photoethnography.com/blog/2011/08/installing-fina.html
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3215228?tstart=0
If it works, this is actually great news for lots of people with EOL software they have some kind of nostalgic relationship with🙂
I use both and, being an dabbler who earns some money with videos, I must say that I find FCPX unusable. Especially the missing input for FCP 2.0 projects. That REALLY sucks. Most of my projects run over several years, with customers needing small changes over time, and that means that I cannot update the projects of these customers to FCPX. Only new customers can start on FCPX. And new customers are rare are hell!!
748s
macrumors 6502a
Right on!
Make up anything to support your argument.
I was glad to see the end of 16MM reversal (you kiddies can google it "reversal").
Colleagues have always been eager to move onto more sophisticated tools.
As much as YOU scream and cry, FCPX is for hobbyists.
Nothing wrong with that 🙂 Ive been teaching FCP for almost 9 years and 80% of my students are hobbyists. The ones that go further know better and would learn more or adapt.
Starting FCPX this fall 🙂
And folks, we've heard it all before on the woes FCPX, lets just move forward.
Not to mention how many pro's who started out as hobbyists. I'm not a pro, but use FCP X to edit my news clips that I run on my live internet show.
genshi
macrumors 6502a
What an ignorant statement to say FCPX is for hobbyists. This argument has already been beaten to death on so many other threads and forums. There are plenty of "Pros" using FCPX and loving it. And there are many Pros (mostly in tape-based Broadcasting houses, as I mentioned originally) that can not use FCPX and are upset at the drastic and lacking changes made in FCPX. And that's fair enough. But there are others, who are unjustifiably bashing FCPX without any clue (look in the mirror 748s, since you've made this personal now.)
And how exactly am I screaming and crying about anything? I just stated how I've experienced working with some people in this industry and mentioned how some people just need to give FCPX more of a chance. That's all.
It won't be for everyone, obviously, but for those that are having knee-jerk negative reactions, it's just not justified was all I was saying. So thanks, for your ignorant and condescending response while lumping me in with the "kiddie hobbyists". Incidentally, I'm almost 50, have worked for everyone from Universal Studios to AVID themselves along with working as a post-production supervisor at a major post house in the 1990s whose main client was Disney... so I do have some (decades) of experience working in this industry and with a wide variety of people. But I am evolved enough to adapt to most anything and FCPX was the easiest transition I have ever made. Again, just my own personal experience.
Whoa dude, what's your deal? I didn't see him crying about anything. He was sharing his own experiences with stuff. It's always people like you that seem to be the ones defending their own inadequacies.
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
You don't like being called a kid for liking FCP 10 and other people probably don't like being called old guys foolishly trying to protect their knowledge because they are too stubborn and/or ignorant to change with the times just because they don't like FCP 10.
Seems like a wash as far as insults go, IMO.
And this is the closing quote from Pogue's post:
😉
I don't see a point in either 'side' being snide or condescending, but it's the internet so here we are. If we were all sitting around a table having a beer I'm sure the conversation would have a different tone.
Lethal
genshi
macrumors 6502a
But that's exactly what I said as well; that certain Pros, like those in Broadcasting, have every justifiable right not to like FCPX right now. I wasn't making a blanket statement saying "anyone who doesn't like FCPX are stubborn/ignorant" (I was specifically addressing those that are yelling the loudest on every forum thread with their knee-jerk reactions and FUD without them even giving FCPX a chance!) but people will only read what they want to I guess. 🙄
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
It can come off as a bit of a blanket statement because no one knows what your personal boundaries are on what you said unless you explicitly state them (subtly and subtext are quickly lost on the internet) and it's only now that you are saying that those characterizations were only specifically meant for those yelling FUD from the mountain tops at anyone who will listen.
Maybe we just run in drastically different circles but 90% of the editors I know that don't like FCP 10 dislike it because it can't fit in their workflows not because they have an irrational fear of change or are afraid that a $299 will undercut their ability to hoard knowledge. And I'm talking about a range from big budget to no budget.
Like I said, I think if we were all sitting around having a beer this conversion would go a lot smoother because its much easier to miscommunicate online than it is in person, IMO. 🙂
Lethal
genshi
macrumors 6502a
Well, my initial response was to one specific user, VideoCave, who claimed FCPX is for nothing more than dabbling and that it's "so dumbed down and control been stripped away that it is not usable". Which is bull. If it is so not usable, then how am I, and many many others, using it? It was also directed to all of those, as I have now said countless times, that are giving knee-jerk reactions without actually giving the program a real chance. They're just regurgitating the FUD they've heard. It's the same thing we hear every-single-time Apple releases ANYTHING at all. And usually from the same people.
And my very first response to you back on page one was "I do agree with you that if it doesn't fit your particular needs, then it just doesn't fit, but I think a lot (not all) of the people complaining about FCPX either haven't actually tried it or given it a fair chance, or are those old guards that did have to be dragged kicking and screaming from cutting on film, to linear tape, etc., etc. "
So I think I've been pretty clear all along. But I apologize if people are misunderstanding what I am saying or if I sounded like I was making a blanket statement; just so sick of all the negativity and bashing on these forums from people who don't even really work with this stuff.
Maybe. The circles I currently run with are mostly indie filmmakers that shoot shorts, self produced features and music videos. It's been awhile since I've worked with broadcast video people and major studios (though I still have friends in that industry; probably mutual friends of yours.) But back when I did, a lot of those people seemed to whine and complain about any little change, even if it was a good change, because they were simply afraid of [having to] change. It could be very different now.
And as for my current circle, I would say that about 40% don't like FCPX even though they haven't tried it and are just reacting to the FUD they've heard, 35% like it but can't use it fully because it doesn't fit into their workflows yet, and 25% happily love it, use it and are very productive with it. So it's that first 40% that I wonder about...
Agreed. 🙂
748s
macrumors 6502a
You have an opinion.
Good for you.
You get another opinion back, dressed in the same emotive language and it's wrong.
It gets tiring very quickly when you denigrate a group to justify your opinion (by your reaction you now understand how it feels).
If you are going to dish it out, expect some to come your way.
Jesus f'ckin Christ, give the guy a break. He didn't even come close to being as bad as some of you d'bag trolls. He simply states in a positive way that people should give the software a chance, and all you typical Apple-hating trolls come out for the feeding frenzy. So typical.
genshi
macrumors 6502a
What is your problem exactly? I had already apologized for making any blanket statements (even though I actually didn't, I thought I was being fairly clear, but did clarify even further) and there is a difference between an opinion like mine when I say "I don't think people have given it a fair chance" or "It's probably many (but not all) of the old guard not liking the change" and then an "opinion" like yours saying "FCPX is only for hobbyists" when CLEARLY there are professionals using it, so yes, your opinion is WRONG. And Ignorant.
And then to continually attack me instead of justifying your ridiculous statement is pretty troll like behavior, especially after I tried to clarify my statements and then make peace.
CaptainChunk
macrumors 68020
Hmmm...NOSTALGIA?
My relationship with FCP 7 (and the same can be said for many other editors in my same situation) is certainly not nostalgic. It's a simple matter of it continuing to fit the needs of my workflow, whereas FCP X falls short. I edit a lot of RED footage. FCP X can't do that yet (at least not natively like it should). I work with post sound mixers (most on ProTools DAWs) on a pretty consistent basis. FCP X can't output OMF files, nor can it do assigned audio tracks without a 3rd party workaround (Automatic Duck) I never used to need.
Not nostalgia. Survival.
same boat here Capitan 😉 looking forward to FCPX ingesting R3D files. With news on Sony's SR Master, maybe we will see the mighty R3D in a magnetic timeline 😉
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
I'm sure we will. Unfortunately it will be announced, then delayed, multiple times and once released will be in beta for years. 😉
Lethal
Helps with viewing, first light and exporting. However for editing into whatever, its not. Who knows with RED, they can turn around and make an NLE 🙂
well RED is going thru some drama and a huge announcement for Nov 3.
the drama is related to the ARRI scandal.
Google it if you need more info.