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Sell Final Cut Studio 2 - buy FCPX?

CaptainChunk said:
Hmmm...NOSTALGIA?

My relationship with FCP 7 (and the same can be said for many other editors in my same situation) is certainly not nostalgic. It's a simple matter of it continuing to fit the needs of my workflow, whereas FCP X falls short. I edit a lot of RED footage. FCP X can't do that yet (at least not natively like it should). I work with post sound mixers (most on ProTools DAWs) on a pretty consistent basis. FCP X can't output OMF files, nor can it do assigned audio tracks without a 3rd party workaround (Automatic Duck) I never used to need.

Not nostalgia. Survival.
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I was reffering to the fact that workarounds for installing Rosetta on Lion seem to be popping up, so that people with a nostalgic relationship with some EOL software IN GENERAL, now might be able to revive it under Lion (and thus find that a welcome "bonus" after the fact). NOT FCP in perticular (or other bread and butter Apps for any profession - which would find another solution and/or certanly not install Lion if it meant going out of business).

And I fully understand you pros having issues cause X totally disrupts your workflows!! My worries about switching is more like will I find it irritating that "why cant I put that there, and why cant I drag that here... And why the h...l won't my keyframing work like it should, and how/where the f... do I set my Ins and Outs!" kind of thing. If someone completely rearranged my Communication Strategy template and deleted the old one at my workplace, I'd be pretty pissed of as well.
 
And I fully understand you pros having issues cause X totally disrupts your workflows!! My worries about switching is more like will I find it irritating that "why cant I put that there, and why cant I drag that here... And why the h...l won't my keyframing work like it should, and how/where the f... do I set my Ins and Outs!" kind of thing. If someone completely rearranged my Communication Strategy template and deleted the old one at my workplace, I'd be pretty pissed of as well.
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And don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily mind things being different for the sake of advancement. I'm always eager to learn new ways of doing things. Most of what has disappointed me about FCP X (yes, this is beating a dead horse) is the lack of features I heavily rely on that are suddenly absent just because. I also understand that making these changes also doesn't happen overnight. I'd be willing to give FCP X another serious look when these things start being addressed. But for now, I'll stick with FCP 7. I've also been teaching myself Premiere Pro (thanks to the 30-day trial) to test other waters, just in case. So far, aside from minor stability issues, I've been pretty impressed with what Adobe has done with the software.

I know Apple dropped Rosetta to move on from supporting antiquated PPC applications in their operating systems, so crippling the Carbon-based installer for FCS2 could have been an unintentional consequence of that. Hard to say. But the FCS3 installer is Intel, no?
 
CaptainChunk said:
I'd be willing to give FCP X another serious look when these things start being addressed. But for now, I'll stick with FCP 7.
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Give it a year (paraphrasing Larry Jordan)

I know Apple dropped Rosetta to move on from supporting antiquated PPC applications in their operating systems, so crippling the Carbon-based installer for FCS2 could have been an unintentional consequence of that. Hard to say. But the FCS3 installer is Intel, no?
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I don't think it was unintentional (miffed myself a bit as I never made it to 7 - too underwhelming for me). The FCS3 installer is no problem with Lion. FCS2 shouldn't be a problem either if you only upgrade from SL to Lion, but if you buy a new machine, you're basically screwed without the workarounds.
 
I don't think it was unintentional (miffed myself a bit as I never made it to 7 - too underwhelming for me). The FCS3 installer is no problem with Lion. FCS2 shouldn't be a problem either if you only upgrade from SL to Lion, but if you buy a new machine, you're basically screwed without the workarounds.
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Hmmm...good to know. :)

Well, I really only upgraded to FCS 3 out of necessity. Too many editors I was working with had already upgraded and it was getting annoying to deal with not being able to open their project files (having to turn to XML import/export instead).

Although the upgrades were very minor, I did like how Color (RIP) started supporting 4K workflows and the ProRes codecs (especially 422 LT, for me) proved very useful. FCP got some very minor interface tweaks (like finally adding the Cmd-E shortcut for sequence export). But yes, for most editors, FCS 3 wasn't a must-have and probably should have been released as perhaps a nominally-priced update instead.
 
Coulda-Shoulda-Woulda!

Reading Jbgloss's description below gives me reason to sigh. I too am fairly new to video. I reluctantly bought FCP7 because it was a requirement of a class in video production that I took in Sept 2010.

I never warmed up to it... way too complicated in my opinion, but I admit, I never wanted to be an editor. I'm a still photographer who's having to change with the times. I wish I could delegate editing all the time, but that's not reality.

That said, I'm thinking I should sell FCP Studio, even if it will mean taking a loss, and buy FCP X. I just feel the ease of it's use will benefit me greatly. And I know the upgrades have improved the things that many disliked, since the below post was first discussed.

So my question to the forum is this... can I sell FCP Studio (7.0.3) even if it's been installed on both my laptop & my desktop? I looked into this question on Apple's forum and the statement is, all that's allowed are two computers. Can I deinstall it? Would that make a difference? Will a buyer not be able to install it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.... thanks!



Jbgloss said:
I am very new to video - I bought FCP from BHP photo back in March for $749. I started learning it. I was doing pretty good then X came out. I decided if I am going to learn it might as well be the new software. So I put FCP on Ebay in July when Apple quit selling it. I sold it for $1400!

I turned around and bought X, Compressor and Motion. I could not be happier. With the extra $1000 I turned around and bought a Canon XF100 which is the best camera I have ever used I love it. Got a $3000 camera for $2000. I wish X worked with Cannon Codec but it is what it is... maybe on the upgrade. But, I love the camera so much I will deal with it.

So for me a HUGE WIN. I am very happy with X. It does crash sometimes, it is the first version, but most of the time my work is saved. I am editing on a 3.33 6 Core MP with 16GB's of Ram. I have to 120GB SSD that I do my editing through then move the project to 7200 drive when done.

I love the look and functionality. I do video for my own business and it works great for me. I also love motion I am now doing my own graphics, lower 3rd's logo's etc...

I did not have ANY video experience and now people are coming to me, saying how are you doing that and I am saving tons a money. My videos used to cost me $1500 - $3000 each. I am big on getting quality audio. I have a bunch of Mics. I use a shotgun outside and a lav normally. I came upon a cool condensor that I will use indoors above me. If I am in a pinch I will use my Senn with a countryman and the mic is actually on my face can't get closer then that.

I am one of the few VERY happy X users and I am still learning, Motion is just awesome. Love it too! I have two ACD's and I have X on one and motion on the other it just rocks :) Jam some Metallica and good to go :)

Just saying over the last 6 months I have probably saved $40,000 thanks to FCPX and I am learning a skill that I actually enjoy.

There are some good tutorials out there.

Good luck, hopefully you can sell it and get a win like I did or if you keep I don't think you can go wrong learning X, been a great experience for me and have not looked back.

JB
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KeithBrofsky said:
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So my question to the forum is this... can I sell FCP Studio (7.0.3) even if it's been installed on both my laptop & my desktop? I looked into this question on Apple's forum and the statement is, all that's allowed are two computers. Can I deinstall it? Would that make a difference? Will a buyer not be able to install it?
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Just uninstall it from any machine of yours that has it and sell the discs.


Lethal
 
I'm using FCP 6 because I have it. But I look forward to use FCP X at a later date.

Right now, I don't upgrade. I'm investing my money into shoots. FCP 6 is perfectly capable for shooting with a 5Dii as long as one downloads the Canon plug-in.
 
So my question to the forum is this... can I sell FCP Studio (7.0.3) even if it's been installed on both my laptop & my desktop? I looked into this question on Apple's forum and the statement is, all that's allowed are two computers. Can I deinstall it? Would that make a difference? Will a buyer not be able to install it?
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Digital Rebellion makes a good tool called FCS Remover for this. It will remove every trace of FCS from you system, with the exception of project files, render files and capture files. Those files can be manually trashed if you desire.

Then, as Lethal has already said, just sell the discs and the serial number. There's no product activation to worry about on legacy FCP. Its copy protection only checks for duplicate serial numbers running on the same network. Therefore, it would install and run on the new owner's machine just fine.
 
FCPX Free 30 day trial

The OP can try FCPX full version for 30 days free as I understand it.

I found it takes awhile to get used to working with FCPX. There are still some annoying workarounds necessary to do a few things that were simpler in FCP7 but most of what was originally missing in FCPX is now there in the recent updates. (BTW, David Pogue wrote that review that Lethal quotes a week after the 1st version of FCPX came out). It does some amazing things with ease that no other editing system does.

Though it may have some superficial similarities to iMovie, FCPX is in no way just an advanced version of iMovie. Unless you've actually cut a real project on FCPX you're not in a position to say anything useful about it.
 
(BTW, David Pogue wrote that review that Lethal quotes a week after the 1st version of FCPX came out)
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But in Lethal's defense, he cited those quotes several months ago (back in September) when the information was still relevant. FCP X is gradually getting better. It's not quite there for me yet, but it's making progress.
 
CaptainChunk said:
But in Lethal's defense, he cited those quotes several months ago (back in September) when the information was still relevant. FCP X is gradually getting better. It's not quite there for me yet, but it's making progress.
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Sorry, Didn't notice this thread began in the dark ages of FCPX.
 
The Art Of Flight (epic snowboarding movie) was cut with FCP X, according to the producer I spoke to at Dolby. I'm working on my second film in FCP X and have put out almost 200 YouTube videos using FCP X as well as numerous DVDs. The software works really well and when editing sequence shots, there's nothing better in my opinion. Everything you need to produce is right there, even for faster editing sequences, the magnetic timeline really makes you think differently about editing. Now there are still problems with it in terms of having to use workarounds for otherwise simple commands, and other NLEs can be "more powerful". But I love the 64-bit compatibility and integration with Compressor.
 
Sell Final Cut Studio 2 - buy FCPX?

Thanks for the replies folks.

BTW, I endured some thrashing by a FCP purist "friend" who instantly got into the bashing of FCP X. But he's used FCP for years and I haven't. He was unaware of X's updates, so I set him straight. He even argued that Apple was "going back" to FCP, which is silly.

For me (a still photographer who's trying to learn new tricks like an aging dog), I'm all for software that makes editing (and life) easier. So I think I'm going to sell it before it's too late.

Thanks for your help... KB
 
You can tell your friend that Apple actually has a 10-year plan for FCP X. FCS doesn't appear in that plan at all ;)
 
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