Series 10/Ultra 2 owners: What would make you upgrade this year?

[tolili alert]

How is it possible that there are people who give importance to a number that an app (developed by anyone) gives to quantify their stress?

I can understand liking widgets, complications, or how these apps present information. But paying for subscriptions just because someone tells you you have a stress score of 73 in a measurement from an hour ago...

The blood pressure sensor... the day it arrives, people will use it the same as they use the ECG or O2 sensor. A couple of times when they bought the watch and then again two years later when they remember it exists.

It will be a welcome addition, but what people need to do is have annual medical check-ups even if they are healthy.


I give much more priority to the heart rate sensor taking readings much more frequently. One measurement every 5 minutes… This clearly needs to improve.

Otherwise... more screen (and it's not going to happen this year). That's all I can think of that would make the jump from Series 10 to 11. Or some surprise I'm not counting on.

 

[4sallypat]

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The blood pressure sensor... the day it arrives, people will use it the same as they use the ECG or O2 sensor. A couple of times when they bought the watch and then again two years later when they remember it exists.

It will be a welcome addition, but what people need to do is have annual medical check-ups even if they are healthy.
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For someone like me:

I get a complete physical every year with a battery of lab tests, submit to my FAA medical doctor, then receive my FAA medical certificate.

As a senior citizen private pilot with health conditions flying a small plane under FAA medical certification: BP, O2, and ECG monitoring while in flight would be super important to ensure a safe preflight, flight mission and successful landing to not only me, my passengers, but to anyone on the ground.

I plan on flying till well over 75 years old.....

 

[jenjen80]

I’ll be upgrading - or downgrading, more aptly, as I’ll probably go with the SE3, at least until the 12 comes out - no matter what because I went with the black last year and am so over it. There are a few spots where the black started flaking off 3-4 months in. It’s just the paint, not a ding or nick to where I could have hit it on something, not that I do anything rough with it anyway. I don’t utilize any of the features that the S10 has that the SE does not, so I think I’ll be fine. I usually upgrade annually as I do with my phone, but who knows, maybe I’ll end up sticking with the SE and therefore scale back on upgrades.

 

[AM2354]

I'll upgrade when they develop a hologram of your incoming emails and text messages.

 

[AM2354]

For someone like me:

I get a complete physical every year with a battery of lab tests, submit to my FAA medical doctor, then receive my FAA medical certificate.

As a senior citizen private pilot with health conditions flying a small plane under FAA medical certification: BP, O2, and ECG monitoring while in flight would be super important to ensure a safe preflight, flight mission and successful landing to not only me, my passengers, but to anyone on the ground.

I plan on flying till well over 75 years old.....

I have to dive in on this. I am a 70 y.o. male, and I am a Paramedic with 35 years coming up in a few months. I have hypertension and my baseline cardiac rhythm is a controlled A-fib. My watch serves as an important function rather than a novelty. I do know without any mechanical devices if I am in a rapid A-fib, which can be life threatening, but the watch helps as a backup. Now, here is something no one has suggested, but when we do an EKG on mostly men with a hairy chest we have to shave them to get a clear EKG reading. So, I thought about this and it hit me, I took out and a razor and shave my wrist, for the arms also can get hairy. Now I have sensor from the watch touching bare skin. I now have a better contact for the sensor to read my heart rate, which I have an app that does this consistently, and I also get a good blood O2 reading.

 

[tolili alert]

For someone like me:

I get a complete physical every year with a battery of lab tests, submit to my FAA medical doctor, then receive my FAA medical certificate.

As a senior citizen private pilot with health conditions flying a small plane under FAA medical certification: BP, O2, and ECG monitoring while in flight would be super important to ensure a safe preflight, flight mission and successful landing to not only me, my passengers, but to anyone on the ground.

I plan on flying till well over 75 years old.....

What I meant to say in my previous message is...

There are countless people who only see a potential improvement between watch generations if:

1. The new watch incorporates a new sensor, regardless of whether it's a sensor most people will never use.

2. They make a round Apple Watch... Why? I don't know, but there's a loose flock out there that only knows how to repeat that the Apple Watch should be round. It's just asking for the sake of asking.

Everything else doesn't matter... The Series 7 was a notable improvement over the Series 6, and the Series 10 was over the Series 9 (not as marked).

But people don't understand whether a screen is brighter or larger, they don't know what AOD is, or they don't care (for some reason, some people love wearing a black rectangle on their wrist like it was a chinese watch from 30 years ago).

For people like you, me, or anyone else... It would make more sense, I think, to ask for a constant heart rate reading first (for example). This would potentially lead to new and more effective detections. A person might be having a temporary problem just as the Apple Watch has already taken its measurement. Then, for maybe five minutes, forget about the watch measuring heart rate again to alert you.



I think Apple should get back on track. Only add new sensors that contribute something and do it well. And, before adding anything new, improve the accuracy/efficiency/performance of existing sensors.

We've been using the same generation of heart rate sensor since the Series 6. Five years with the exact same sensor without any improvements or changes.

The wrist temperature sensor was a pretty sad thing. If they had added it in a year with a lot of new features, nothing would have happened. But they added that sensor in the Series 8, which was 100% clearly the worst possible year to buy an Apple Watch. Literally only three additions compared to the Series 7: (temperature sensor, car crash detection, and Bluetooth 5.3...). Adding the most useless sensor on an Apple Watch to the worst new Apple Watch ever was very sad.

 

[kecinzer]

Easy: double battery life 😄

 

[utzelu]

Not going to upgrade from my S10 this year, but may get the AWU3 in addition, and rotate between the two.

 

[urbanman2004]

I would never upgrade to this until Samsung allows the bootloader of their US phones to be unlockable.

 

[svish]

Love my Series 10 and not going to upgrade this year. Very satisfied with it. Interested with the very early rumors regarding Series 12. It might probably have some kind of new design. Might upgrade then if there is something exciting.

 

[4sallypat]

I have to dive in on this. I am a 70 y.o. male, and I am a Paramedic with 35 years coming up in a few months. I have hypertension and my baseline cardiac rhythm is a controlled A-fib. My watch serves as an important function rather than a novelty. I do know without any mechanical devices if I am in a rapid A-fib, which can be life threatening, but the watch helps as a backup. Now, here is something no one has suggested, but when we do an EKG on mostly men with a hairy chest we have to shave them to get a clear EKG reading. So, I thought about this and it hit me, I took out and a razor and shave my wrist, for the arms also can get hairy. Now I have sensor from the watch touching bare skin. I now have a better contact for the sensor to read my heart rate, which I have an app that does this consistently, and I also get a good blood O2 reading.

For awhile, I have considered the Garmin D2 Mach2 aviation watch which has Sp02, hydration, respiration, stress, and heart rate plus all the aviation features, but $1200 is a bit pricey and subscription based !

 

[nburwell]

I highly doubt that I’ll upgrade my U2. Especially since I just purchased it a couple months ago. So, I’ll probably keep my U2.

 

[BillGates1969]

I have an U2, S7 Hermes and a JB S10.

I am going to trade in my U2 (had it 2 years) for an U3, probably a Hermes as I love the S7 Hermes and that is getting on a bit. Love the Hermes and love the Ultra, so best of both worlds for me

 

[nonns]

Blood pressure.
Battery life of 7d
Improved sensors for gym.
Ability to use without ios but say android.

Am examining other options right now. Am tired off not being able to buy kindle books directly from the iOS kindle app. It’s taking the walled environment a bit far. You can do so in an android device.

 

[martint235]

For awhile, I have considered the Garmin D2 Mach2 aviation watch which has Sp02, hydration, respiration, stress, and heart rate plus all the aviation features, but $1200 is a bit pricey and subscription based !

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I’m not sure you need a subscription for the basic features. I’ve just sold my Fenix 8 and all the things you mention were free. There is a paid tier to Garmin Connect but I don’t think Garmin really knows why and has done a poor job of selling it.

 

[martint235]

Easy: double battery life 😄

I’m hoping for charge Monday morning, charge again on Weds morning.

 

[azhava]

I’m hoping for charge Monday morning, charge again on Weds morning.

I can easily get that from my Ultra 2.

I play golf 3 days a week, and each round involves continuous use of the GPS for 3 ½ - 4 hours. If I charge it Sunday night, play golf Monday, wear the watch for the rest of the day and through the night for sleep tracking, I can get through all day Tuesday (usually including an outdoor walk/run where the GPS is in use again for 30-45 minutes) and charge my watch Tuesday night before bed, usually with somewhere around 15-20% battery left.

 

[martint235]

I can easily get that from my Ultra 2.

I play golf 3 days a week, and each round involves continuous use of the GPS for 3 ½ - 4 hours. If I charge it Sunday night, play golf Monday, wear the watch for the rest of the day and through the night for sleep tracking, I can get through all day Tuesday (usually including an outdoor walk/run where the GPS is in use again for 30-45 minutes) and charge my watch Tuesday night before bed, usually with somewhere around 15-20% battery left.

Maybe I need to build more faith in it. Currently charging every evening but I have just moved from a Garmin

 

[jz0309]

I’m hoping for charge Monday morning, charge again on Weds morning.

my charging habit is different but my 2yr old Ultra 2 would support that.
I put my U2 on say Monday morning (100% charge), wear it til Tue evening (incl sleep tracking, and somewhere between 120-150 min or workout tracking) and typically is ~35% charge at that time, so more than enough for another night of sleep tracking. But I use my S7 for sleep tracking for that night, and I charge my U2 on the old S0 puck, so slow charging.
Typically I see ~ 8-10% usage for sleep tracking.
Of course all our usage patterns are different, and I do not have a cellular plan. Some folks here say they can go for 3 days, other get 1 day ...

 

[Momof2.1107]

I wish I could go 2 days with my AWU2. I use mine to track the walking on my route at work. I take my watch off the charger at 7:50am at 100%. I walk for 3.5 - 4 hours 5 days a week within a 8 hour work day. By the time I get off work at 5pm, I’m done to 55% and at 40% by bedtime at 11pm, so I definitely need to charge every morning after waking up.

 

[martint235]

I can easily get that from my Ultra 2.

I play golf 3 days a week, and each round involves continuous use of the GPS for 3 ½ - 4 hours. If I charge it Sunday night, play golf Monday, wear the watch for the rest of the day and through the night for sleep tracking, I can get through all day Tuesday (usually including an outdoor walk/run where the GPS is in use again for 30-45 minutes) and charge my watch Tuesday night before bed, usually with somewhere around 15-20% battery left.

Maybe I need to build more faith in it. Currently charging every evening but I have just moved from a Garmin

 

[stu.h]

I'm a series 9 owner, but weighing into this thread anyway.

I keep hoping that they'll redesign the Apple Watch Ultra 3 to look better on a smaller wrist. I've tried on the existing Ultra and Ultra 2 many times, but it just doesn't look right to me. It doesn't have to be smaller, it just has to look smaller.

The other way they could tempt me would be if they brought back a white ceramic edition. I admired it back when I bought my first Apple Watch (a series 5), but thought it was silly to spend that much extra for what I viewed as a gadget. But now that I'm wearing my Apple Watch all day and all night every day and every night, my thinking has changed, and I'm willing to spend a bit more for something that doesn't look the same as everyone else's Apple Watch.

Don't you think that when you see an AWU on other people in the public, that it looks really good though?
I've been backwards and forwards on this, and wished I'd taken the steal I was offered several months ago....
A bit like going from the iPhone Pro to the Pro Max I think ...

 

[BillGates1969]

Don't you think that when you see an AWU on other people in the public, that it looks really good though?
I've been backwards and forwards on this, and wished I'd taken the steal I was offered several months ago....
A bit like going from the iPhone Pro to the Pro Max I think ...

Th Ultra is definitely a grower. When I first got mine I was back and forth in my head on returning it. Love it now. Sent mine off to Apple Trade in and only been without it for a few days and really missing it.

 

[satchmo]

Blood pressure.
Battery life of 7d
Improved sensors for gym.
Ability to use without ios but say android.

Am examining other options right now. Am tired off not being able to buy kindle books directly from the iOS kindle app. It’s taking the walled environment a bit far. You can do so in an android device.

Here’s an honest question. Not only direct ed to you, but everyone.

Do you think Apple actually cares to compete with the likes of Garmin for battery times?

Surely by now they can, but choose not to. I think Apple believes that watches are meant to be charged every day at night. So 18 hours should suffice.

Any hope that an Apple Watch will ever have a seven day battery life perhaps is a pipe dream.

 

[jz0309]

Here’s an honest question. Not only direct ed to you, but everyone.

Do you think Apple actually cares to compete with the likes of Garmin for battery times?

Surely by now they can, but choose not to. I think Apple believes that watches are meant to be charged every day at night. So 18 hours should suffice.

Any hope that an Apple Watch will ever have a seven day battery life perhaps is a pipe dream.

18hrs has been the battery life since the original launch, on every model incl new gestures etc. For many users (myself included), that works. I don't think it will change any time soon.
Then there is the Ultra with a quoted battery life of 36hrs. I personally could easily get 2 days but I have a different charging pattern. Get about 38hrs of continued use with the capacity sitting ion the mid 30s after that.

Yes, Garmin gets longer battery life, but from what I can read on MR many features are not enabled to get to the 7 days or whatever, and if all features are enabled, it comes down to a day or 2.
In my mind Garmin watches are fitness trackers with some smartwatch features, whereas the AW is a smartwatch with some fitness tracking - different users/market.

The AWs as we know them today will remain smartwatches and those battery life will be what we know today. I will agree that Apple will not introduce anything that compares directly to Garmin, again, different market. I rather believe Apple might offer a ring as an alternative to the watch, but that is pure speculation.