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Seriously, This Antenna BS Has Got to Stop

I am getting no drops with 4 in areas where my 3g dropped all the time.

Also I can produce the bars going down issue. But only in areas where the signal is weak or not of quality. At times you can have 5 bars but have a weak signal. My house usually has 4 to 5 bars but the signal is weak and I drop calls all the time. I can easily reproduce the bar going down affect at my house. But a few miles away where the signal is better I can't reproduce it. So not that big of a deal.

Now AT&T and their crummy network that is a big deal.
 
ReflexReact said:
Retarded thread by a retarded thread starter. So you believe everyone here is making it up? You're such a fool. I cannot even make a call with the phone in my left hand, yet you claim im lying and full of ****? Please! FO apple fanboi!
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I'm not sure I have the issue, but I TOTALLY agree with the above statement! Just because YOU don't have an issue doe not mean it does not exist!:mad:
 
It's not BS, I wish it was. I love the phone and won't return it but I will complain. At work, I have no issue but at home I go from 5 bars to 1 while holding the phone normally. Please note that this is holding the phone in my right hand, holding it up to my right ear. No death grip, no cupping, no left hand. I have yet to drop a call, only because I am aware of the issue. When it gets to one bar, I can tell because the other party says they cannot hear me. I have to adjust and hold the phone another way or put it on speakerphone.

Sorry, but that's not acceptable for a phone. I am able to recreate this with 3 other iphone 4's at my house, all from people who claim to have no problem. I suspect that those with no problem just don't talk on the phone much.

The main function of the device is a phone. We are not talking about yellow blotches that show up under a micro photo. We are not talking about a stuck pixel we are talking about normal use crippling the purpose of the device. Most complaints on product launch are picky and petty, this is not.

Imagine that you bought a new HDTV, it's fabulous, looks great but when you sit on your couch, the angle makes the picture fuzzy or drop out altogether. It is fair to take a position that you should just not sit there? Or mount the TV in another place? That's what we have here. It's great that your couch is at the right height but many of us have fuzzy pictures.





ash =o)
 
pmz said:
"We received 20 phone calls, and as you all know, a call equals a billion people, therefor, 20 billion people were offended by this!"

"Gasp!"

"Gasp!"
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Agree. The angry / frustrated / offended will always be the most vocal on Internet boards. You cannot extrapolate this way and have a good level of confidence.

I don't doubt there are a significant number of people that are having problems. I conclude from the evidence that it is a quality issue and not a design flaw.

Yes, Apple should recognize it as an issue and address it. As has been said before, Jobs was pretty stupid to make his comments before there was enough information.
 
iPhoneHome said:
I've had the iP4 since the launch day and yes I have seen the bars drop...but haven't dropped a darn call yet. I'm on the phone for the better part of each day and I, like Mr. Jobs, see this as a NON ISSUE.

It's just like the old story "Dr. my arm hurts when I position it like this"... Dr: "Well don't do that"...."Oh, Thanks"

Honestly, the news, media and Apple haters have taken this story and misconstrued the hell out of it. Whenever any company sells a million of anything, there are going to be some issues with a small % of the devices. That's a given. The problem nowadays, is that the first "I want some media love-whore attention jerk" will begin to whine, tip news outlets and complain on every message bored around.

I've TRIED to drop a call by using a Samurai Death Grip and it just wouldn't happen. Yes, the bars fall but it's not hurting reception or the phones performance.

Anywho, to those who have been weary about picking up and iP4 because of this nonsense please don't hesitate...it's seriously not that bad.
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Seriously? I realize you are not having problems (maybe you got a good one) but don't sit there and act like a fool. Its not that the bars just go down. It has been tested by me and many others that with the speed test app for example that it is cutting data. I will go from 2000kbps to 200 or below (sometimes zero data). That is not acceptable. I have bought a lot of apple products, including a MacBook, iPhone 3G, the iPad, and now the iPhone 4. I don't want this negativity towards apple either, but you know what? I want my $600 phone to be how it should be: solid. If it was a bad batch or bad design, apple needs to step up and recall the phone. It is the right thing for a company like apple, who prides themselves on making sure the customer is happy. If they release a software fix that masks the problem, it will be the last apple product I buy. Period. I want this to be resolved in the worst way, I love the phone otherwise, I just won't ever have peace of mind knowing that it is defective and that subsequent produced phones will be redesigned. We shouldn't be punished as early adopters, we are the ones who KNOW that we want the phone, and we want what was promised. That's it. Sorry. If you don't agree, then I just don't understand what you are thinking (if you are)
 
ashVID said:
It's not BS, I wish it was. I love the phone and won't return it but I will complain. At work, I have no issue but at home I go from 5 bars to 1 while holding the phone normally. Please note that this is holding the phone in my right hand, holding it up to my right ear. No death grip, no cupping, no left hand. I have yet to drop a call, only because I am aware of the issue. When it gets to one bar, I can tell because the other party says they cannot hear me. I have to adjust and hold the phone another way or put it on speakerphone.

Sorry, but that's not acceptable for a phone. I am able to recreate this with 3 other iphone 4's at my house, all from people who claim to have no problem. I suspect that those with no problem just don't talk on the phone much.

The main function of the device is a phone. We are not talking about yellow blotches that show up under a micro photo. We are not talking about a stuck pixel we are talking about normal use crippling the purpose of the device. Most complaints on product launch are picky and petty, this is not.

Imagine that you bought a new HDTV, it's fabulous, looks great but when you sit on your couch, the angle makes the picture fuzzy or drop out altogether. It is fair to take a position that you should just not sit there? Or mount the TV in another place? That's what we have here. It's great that your couch is at the right height but many of us have fuzzy pictures.

ash =o)
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I respect your opinion...but once again you haven't dropped a call. The media and forum sensationalist are claiming that its a non stop, phone call dropping phenomenon. That's not truthful.
 
ubercool said:
Um, I wouldn't call 28% small, according to the TechCrunch poll. By my calculations that means that 420,000 iPhone owners have this problem worldwide. That is not "a given." :rolleyes:
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it's stupid to think like that. just because one poll says 28%, you're going to assume that actually 28% of the iPhone 4 owners are having that problem? :rolleyes: okay.
 
Coukos34 said:
Seriously? I realize you are not having problems (maybe you got a good one) but don't sit there and act like a fool. I have bought a lot of apple products, including a MacBook, iPhone 3G, the iPad, and now the iPhone 4. I don't want this negativity towards apple either, but you know what? I want my $600 phone to be how it should be: solid. If it was a bad batch or bad design, apple needs to step up and recall the phone. It is the right thing for a company like apple, who prides themselves on making sure the customer is happy. If they release a software fix that masks the problem, it will be the last apple product I buy. Period. I want this to be resolved in the worst way, I love the phone otherwise, I just won't ever have peace of mind knowing that it is defective and that subsequent produced phones will be redesigned. We shouldn't be punished as early adopters, we are the ones who KNOW that we want the phone, and we want what was promised. That's it. Sorry. If you don't agree, then I just don't understand what you are thinking (if you are)
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Again, I ask. Have you dropped a call?
 
daneoni said:
So its BS because YOU happen to not have dropped a call yet and therefore everyone else is lying. Narcissistic much :rolleyes:
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+1. My thoughts exactly. My family has five Iphone 4s and about 10 of my good friends have it and ALL of us having this issue. Oh well, since OP's phone doesn't do it it means me, my family and thousands of other people complaining are simply crazy..
 
As someone that has had all 3 iPhones, I have never had call quality problems before. I thought I lived in the sweet zone of AT&T, because I have never had a dropped call in 3 years. As soon as I got the iPhone 4, I have had 2 calls drop, and most all calls are muffled now.

Just because you don't have a problem, doesn't mean we don't. And getting told to hold the phone a certain way is bs. I've been holding all other iPhones the same, and no issues. Now it happens, and my 53 year old mother who knows nothing about computers or phones even noticed this problem.

So correction, telling us we don't have a problem needs to stop.
 
stackshady said:
umm I just spend $600 on a PHONE. It's not unreasonable to ask that I'm able to hold it with my left hand.
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It's not unreasonable; but, in the real world sometimes it takes time to debug an issue and determine the best resolution. Again, it isn't effecting anyone, but a significant minority are effected.

I would be shocked if Apple engineers were not pulling all-nighters for a few nights now trying to determine exactly what's going on and how to fix it.
 
I'm used to holding my phone so that the edge of my palm rests against the left side of my phone. When I do that of course, I get dropped calls or calls fail before they even connect.

I am supposed to learn how to hold my phone a different way now? I shouldn't have to when I've owned iPhones for three years now.
 
iPhoneHome said:
I've had the iP4 since the launch day and yes I have seen the bars drop...but haven't dropped a darn call yet. I'm on the phone for the better part of each day and I, like Mr. Jobs, see this as a NON ISSUE.

It's just like the old story "Dr. my arm hurts when I position it like this"... Dr: "Well don't do that"...."Oh, Thanks"

Honestly, the news, media and Apple haters have taken this story and misconstrued the hell out of it. Whenever any company sells a million of anything, there are going to be some issues with a small % of the devices. That's a given. The problem nowadays, is that the first "I want some media love-whore attention jerk" will begin to whine, tip news outlets and complain on every message bored around.

I've TRIED to drop a call by using a Samurai Death Grip and it just wouldn't happen. Yes, the bars fall but it's not hurting reception or the phones performance.

Anywho, to those who have been weary about picking up and iP4 because of this nonsense please don't hesitate...it's seriously not that bad.
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Uh....Yes...people are experiencing call drops....LOL are you that dumb? Or do you love Apple THAT much? Seriously? There is videos of calls being dropped. Hahahaha. In fact...my phone drops calls. Unsatisfied customers will b*tch. You do it I'm sure. No, we will not switch service or phones. We want the phone we got to work the way it was intended. We should be able to hold it ANY way we want and it still work. The SAMURAI DEATH GRIP does, in fact, hurt reception.

Let me help you though. Do you mind bending over for a bit so I can help you remove that iDildo? Oh snap! It's not the iDildo....It's actually Steve Jobs!! :O

VIDEO that is on the front page of the forums...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PQyWp0mWE
 
iPhoneHome said:
Again, I ask. Have you dropped a call?
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Calls are not my issue. Data is. I only hold the phone like this when surfing on the phone. I ran a speed test and the data transfer drops to 10-15kbs down from 500-1000kbs when I hold it.

Is your next answer going to be 'don't hold it while you surf'?
 
msduncan said:
Calls are not my issue. Data is. I only hold the phone like this when surfing on the phone. I ran a speed test and the data transfer drops to 10-15kbs down from 500-1000kbs when I hold it.

Is your next answer going to be 'don't hold it while you surf'?
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Yes this is another problem. When I sit my iPhone down on the counter, I get 3.4Mbps. When I hold it, I get 600kbps.
 
I haven't dropped a call and I think the people who are saying the phone is useless once you pick it up are drama queens. I think it is being hyped but, as noted, it is effecting my normal use of the device. If I did not realize that adjusting my grip or putting them on speaker was going to save the calls that start to crap out, I would be dropping calls.

Even if it is just diminishing call quality or causing you to adjust normal use, that's still very much an issue right?




ash =o)
 
hexonxonx said:
Yes this is another problem. When I sit my iPhone down on the counter, I get 3.4Mbps. When I hold it, I get 600kbps.
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This is my issue—data speeds go through the floor. Haven’t made too many long calls yet, but my friend who bought a day-one iPhone 4 is having dropped call problems.
 
raremage said:
It's not unreasonable; but, in the real world sometimes it takes time to debug an issue and determine the best resolution. Again, it isn't effecting anyone, but a significant minority are effected.

I would be shocked if Apple engineers were not pulling all-nighters for a few nights now trying to determine exactly what's going on and how to fix it.
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Most reasonable people should realize this. If I were experiencing the problem, I would have contacted Apple, and would now be patiently waiting for a resolution. Even if I had to hold the phone differently until they resolve the issue, it wouldn't be a huge deal. I'd probably just put a case on it.

There is no reason for anger or indignation. It's a consumer electronic product. Apple will get it figured out. People need to relax.
 
iPhoneHome said:
I've had the iP4 since the launch day and yes I have seen the bars drop...but haven't dropped a darn call yet. I'm on the phone for the better part of each day and I, like Mr. Jobs, see this as a NON ISSUE.

It's just like the old story "Dr. my arm hurts when I position it like this"... Dr: "Well don't do that"...."Oh, Thanks"

Honestly, the news, media and Apple haters have taken this story and misconstrued the hell out of it. Whenever any company sells a million of anything, there are going to be some issues with a small % of the devices. That's a given. The problem nowadays, is that the first "I want some media love-whore attention jerk" will begin to whine, tip news outlets and complain on every message bored around.

I've TRIED to drop a call by using a Samurai Death Grip and it just wouldn't happen. Yes, the bars fall but it's not hurting reception or the phones performance.

Anywho, to those who have been weary about picking up and iP4 because of this nonsense please don't hesitate...it's seriously not that bad.
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I'm in the camp that experiences no issues with dropped calls and cannot replicate the issue. I'm very satisfied with my iPhone 4 and my call quality has been no less than stellar. I have yet to drop a single call even in spots where my 3gs would drop consistently. That being said if you do have this issue no doubt your not happy about it. I believe that the fact people don't experience the issue points to a group of the devices that was manufactured with the problem but clearly it is real for some people but not all people. I think the conspiracy theorys about apple selling bumpers only because they discovered this problem late in the manufacturing process is a stretch to say the least. I'm curious as to whether the people having the problem were ones that bought from the store or ones that had them shipped or a mixed bag. Mine was shipped, and nobody mentioned this issue on the 23rd at all when shipments began to arrive...
 
ashVID said:
I haven't dropped a call and I think the people who are saying the phone is useless once you pick it up are drama queens. I think it is being hyped but, as noted, it is effecting my normal use of the device. If I did not realize that adjusting my grip or putting them on speaker was going to save the calls that start to crap out, I would be dropping calls.

Even if it is just diminishing call quality or causing you to adjust normal use, that's still very much an issue right?




ash =o)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PQyWp0mWE
Can you guys not click? Many people are experiencing this. Lmao. Must you see it in person or something? EVERYTIME I pick up my phone in the area I live in...the call drops. Not the bars just going down. IT DROPSSSS
 
Even Apple Inc admitted that there was a problem, yet some people are defending the company and try to downplay the defect...

I saw a few similar threads today and they get shut down pretty fast. It seems that thousands on this forum voted and commented taking notice of the issue, but for some it's an issue that people are upset.

I would tell these people that they are not seeing this fault the right way.

Perhaps, they should think another way. Think different and we'll hold that bloody phone differently.
 
I live in an area with superb coverage (shocking i know), so I don't experience this issue often. I'm one of those people who thought his phone was perfect because I have such great signal at my house I couldn't get it to lose signal. After walking around with it for a couple days, I can 100% tell you this is an issue. Not often, but my data rates will plummet to the point of no access, ive dropped calls, mid conversation because ive changed the way im holding the phone. It's really unacceptable, again this only happens in areas with already bad coverage, but my 3GS would've held the call. It's a trade off im willing to make, but I shouldnt have to with such an expensive device.

and hey OP,

Just because you live in a great coverage area doesn't mean this problem wont crop it's head up and bite you in the ass....you telling me you never travel anywhere? never take road trips? never go into bad coverage areas? all it takes is one bad coverage area and you'll see how annoying this problem is.
 
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