Well, Apple could potentially lower the price to the limit that eventually kills all its competitors
So Apple demands that they get the lowest price that a vendor offers to any other customer.
no they can't. Because they don't set the prices. the publishers do.
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Not exactly. Apple merely said that publishers in ibooks can't set the price lower on other stores. So it can't be $12.99 on ibooks and $9.99 on Amazon.
but they are free to set the same price everywhere.
no they can't. Because they don't set the prices. the publishers do.
And this is the problem with the agency model. Every store sells at the same price, so there's no incentive to look elsewhere. The original method allowed for the retailer to set the selling price, but the publisher was still paid the wholesale price. i.e. Amazon would pay $9.99 for a book but could sell it for $6.99 if they didn't mind losing the money.
So, the biggest beneficiary of the government's anti-trust action is: a big corporation with 65% of the market.
That's the one thing that's really put me off ebooks: why pay more than the PB book price when I can buy it at a used book store for less?
how is this fair? doesn't the same price everywhere benefit all? Who loses out? bulk/warehouse pricing for physical products I understand. Paper and printing costs money but e-products have no overhead really. marketing and bandwidth which is miniscule. By allowing amazon to undercut others forces them to lower prices as well. price fixing is so subjective.
So, while the publisher makes the exact same amount in both scenarios, the agency model produces higher prices for consumers -- Apple's 30% can't be changed, while Amazon, under the wholesale model, can sell books at a loss if they want. The publishers can complain all they want about Amazon's pricing "devaluing" their product (despite the fact that they'd receive the same amount of money for each copy, and, logically, Amazon is going to sell a lot more copies at their lower price to consumers), but, really, publishers are just scared of Amazon becoming even more powerful -- eventually demanding lower wholesale prices. This is the way Walmart behaves. They become far and away a manufacturer's biggest retailer, then start demanding price cuts once the manufacturer can't survive without them.
People here don't seem to get the different models.
The WHOLESALE model that Amazon prefers is essentially the same as any other good you purchase at a store. The store pays the wholesale price and then sells it at whatever price they want. MSRP's are still set by the manufacturer but the retailer can choose to offer any kind of discount they want, for whatever reason. For example, a book publisher (or in this case an ebook publisher) could set their MSRP at $15.99, and charge a wholesale price of $11.19 to the retailers. But the retailers are still free to charge a lower price if they want. That's the beauty of competition. In many cases, Amazon was willing to charge only $9.99 for the ebook, taking a loss on the sale in order to get customers to the store and potentially buying other items.
The AGENCY model that Apple uses for the iBookstore (as well as the App store) essentially takes the retailer out of the equation. The publisher (or app developer) sets their own pricing, determines when and if something goes on sale, and Apple gets a cut for acting as the seller's "agent" in the transaction (processing payments, allowing the item into their store, etc.) In the above example, the publisher could set it's price at $15.99, and Apple would pay them 70% ($11.19) for each one sold -- exactly the same as the wholesale model. The difference is that the only one who could choose to put an item on sale is the publisher -- Apple isn't acting as a traditional retailer, merely as the publisher's agent.
So, while the publisher makes the exact same amount in both scenarios, the agency model produces higher prices for consumers -- Apple's 30% can't be changed, while Amazon, under the wholesale model, can sell books at a loss if they want. The publishers can complain all they want about Amazon's pricing "devaluing" their product (despite the fact that they'd receive the same amount of money for each copy, and, logically, Amazon is going to sell a lot more copies at their lower price to consumers), but, really, publishers are just scared of Amazon becoming even more powerful -- eventually demanding lower wholesale prices. This is the way Walmart behaves. They become far and away a manufacturer's biggest retailer, then start demanding price cuts once the manufacturer can't survive without them.
I don't know if Amazon plans to do that or not, but I do think Amazon has a much better grasp of what electronic content (without any production and distribution costs that applied to physical items) can sell for, than do the book publishers. In other areas (particularly music), it was Apple who had to tell the "don't-get-this-whole-internet-thing" executives that their product wasn't worth what they thought it was, but, by selling at a lower price, they could sell far more product, and make more money in the end.
Anyway, since I can read Kindle books on my Kindle, iPad, Android tab, MacBook Pro and Air, and desktop, I'm looking forward to prices going back down. Apple makes a ton of money in other areas -- they don't need their bookstore to be super-profitable in order to be the most successful company on earth.
The Potter method is direct to retail only. Why isn't the justice department attacking that? They are price fixing (her own product) and not only keeping zero pricing out, but keeping retail stores out.
The "Agency model" does not at all restrict the sellers to sell at whatever price they want, but sets the wholesale price for that transaction. If there was a contract provision preventing the dealer from buying at 70% of retail and selling at $0 on a promotional basis I would suggest voluntarily redacting that. But despite that, having the government use "suggestive force" to prevent it is itself unlawful.
Loved and agreed with everything you said, but the publisher does not make the same with both models.
The publisher makes MORE MONEY under the agency model. The margin on a paper book is usually around 50% give or take depending on some factors, more if a store agrees to not be able to return inventory back to the publisher.
That margin is based on a fixed cost... ebooks technically have no fixed cost. They are virtual inventory.
This was explained very well.
Apple pushed this because they knew they had no competative advantage and ibooks would be a flop with their lack of book buying power in the whole sale arena. B&N and Amazon can always get better pricing because they buy a larger volume of books. So if you can't compete fairly, do something dirty and appeal to the greed of your competitors suppliers.
Um, because it's less capitalism and more communism which is why these practices are illegal in the United States.
Why not charge everyone $10 for a gallon of milk... by your argument, wouldn't that benefit everyone because we're paying the same price? And your points argue against your own statement. *palm slap* Yes, so an ebook costs virtually nothing to produce as you just illustrated... and yet you can buy printed books cheaper most of the time. Stores can have sales to drive traffic with them.
Again price fixing is communism at heart... I'd tell you to move to Russia if that is how you feel, but even they realized what a bad idea it was to not have a free market.
The Potter method is direct to retail only. Why isn't the justice department attacking that? They are price fixing (her own product) and not only keeping zero pricing out, but keeping retail stores out.
I'd rather pay for the e-book reader and choose the vendor based on best deal rather than have to consider if I like their ebook reader.
The rest of your post I don't have much issue with honestly. It has some good points. But I think you're being ridiculous on the first part.
Actually, you are the one confusing capitalism with communism and socialism. Antitrust laws are inherently anti-capitalistic, because they undermine contract law. If publishers want to coordinate their pricing, why shouldn't they? You don't have to buy their books.
There is nothing inherently wrong with the agency model. Newspapers use it in the US. You don't see 7-11 charging $0.50 for the local paper to undercut the $0.75 charged at the newsstand. It's just that the wholesale model had become entrenched in the book market. Apple sought to change that, and publishers liked it and struck deals with Apple.
For those who are for the publisher's right to set their own price, what do you feel about the limitation set by Apple that publishers can't have a lower price outside the Apple store? I mean its their books, why can't they set a lower price somewhere else. How come Apple gets to make that rule? Lets say a publisher has a popular book that they want to sell in as many markets as possible. They can sell a lot more through Amazon, so why can't they sell on Amazon for slightly less? Also, let say they have their own website for selling ebooks. With no Apple or Amazon cut, how come they can't have a lower price on their own site? Amazon and Apple offer access to a consumer market, so they get a cut, I get that. But if publishers can get consumer access elsewhere also, why does Apple have a say on what minimal price they have to sell at?
No matter what's happens with this settlement publishing companies are in trouble. More authors are simply self-publishing using e-books and Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Why should authors give the publishing companies such a large percentage when they can make more money selling their books online for $3-5. With self-publishing and e-books the authors win, the retailers win, and the readers win. The only losers are the publishing companies.
I demand as part of the settlement every penny back that I was overcharged for ebooks, I demand this from the publishers who manipulated the price, not from the vendor who was forced into this system by the publishers working on collusion.