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Alright I don’t know what that paragraph was about, but I never said apple was forcing anyone. They’re purposefully excluding features just to push people to purchase their own silicon. Focus more on what you’re replying to
Let me ask you to clarify. Do you mean they are doing this to get people to buy Apple Silicon-based Macintoshes instead of Intel Macintoshes or that they are doing this to try to get people who already have Intel-based Macintoshes to replace them? Are you arguing that Apple feels these features are so compelling that they think people will replace systems they would not have otherwise, just to get them?
 
I was going to stick with Big Sur anyways.
Kinda lost faith in these yearly updates - always causing me software issues each time.

So plan is to stick with Big Sur on my current MBP16.
Will move to the latest OS whenever a new iMAC 30/32" is released with dual bus Thunderbolt 3/4 controllers (4 Thunderbolt ports is a minimum for me, even with 2 Thunderbolt 4 hubs in use!), and native 10GBe.
 
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I have the 2020 Mac Mini.
You have a sliver Apple Silicon Mac mini or a Space Gray Intel Mac mini?

If it is the former, then it will get all the features. If it is the latter, it was released in 2018, so by the time Monterey is released it will be a 3 year old design.
 
I don't think it helps much to say that Intel is talking trash.
But they have been for some time now, it’s simply an observation over the selective claims that seriously stretch the limits of the factual in the name of advertising by using aggressive comparative tactics.
 
Not like Apple would not trash talk Google and Facebook, as two examples.
I am curious if you can come up with an Apple ad or statement that mentions either Google or Facebook (or for that matter a Google or Facebook ad that mentions Apple) by name that is comparable to the Intel ads. Google and Apple tend to be more clever when poking fun at each other, more a visual gag or elliptical reference. I cannot think of a case where they called each other out in an ad.

Facebook as released statements attacking App Tracking Transparency, but that was not a comparison.

This is just curiosity (and is a serious question). Even Samsung usually does it better than the Intel ads. It is always funny that they tend to follow Apple decisions on things about which they made fun of Apple first, but they are usually ”in jokes” like:

”The Galaxy S-something is words, words, words, words. Oh it is still have a headphone jack.” or ”Still has a charger in the box.” The Samsung ads do not age well, as they follow quickly behind, but they are not as cringe-inducing as the Intel ones. :-D
 
I’m not complaining at all, we just hired two people in that department and they needed machines. Now, they all do graphics for various website partners we work with so an M1 would vastly improve their day to day because it’s more than enough power for the Adobe programs they use, but the creature comforts of insane battery life. The ONLY reason I’m dismayed is because budget season is coming up and I’m looking to transition that small team to AS as quickly as possible given the head of the department wants my input on refreshing the entire department.
Yup. Transitions are always frustrating. If they have already released the machine one wants, it is awesome. If they have not, one is forced to decide between several inferior choices: buy the older machine that meets some of the needs, but is a dead end, or buy the newer machine the meets a different set of the needs but is early in its life.
Additionally, none of these “lost features” should ever come up. If I have a worker complaint about not displaying the 3D Apple Map…I’d have some more probing questions about what work they actually do here 😂
This. Exactly this! :-D
 
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well I'm certainly not switching to the entry level M1 MacBooks! not when I can run multiple monitors and bootcamp windows! blur away M1 owners! and spin that globe!

You just have to remember the vast majority here is happy spinning globes and browsing Facebook. Oh and does it come in purple?
 
I've installed various Linux distributions on ThinkPads and I have never encountered a situation where the hardware was not supported.

Can you provide some examples?
Wireless chipsets and graphics cards are the most likely to have no (or only limited) support in Linux, especially if you prefer to avoid non-FOSS drivers. Other than that, outdated peripherals and obscure PCI cards. Perhaps not the sort of thing you’d encounter on a Lenovo ThinkPad?
 
Wow so if the Mac Pro is refreshed with the newer Intel processors, you miss out on features. That’s very interesting.
You’re probably not going to be using any of these features on a Mac Pro regardless. A Mac Pro is a minimum $6000 computer that’s mostly designed for high end video editing and converting, 3D rendering, physics simulations, and other tasks that really put the pro in professional. Even as a programmer, I don’t think I could get away with the “well, I need a Mac Pro for compiling my code faster” anymore, as code compilation is faster than ever (due to SSDs and raw silicon performance) and the Mac Pro is increasingly geared towards professional tasks more demanding than what I’d put it through. These missing features are more consumer oriented (with the possible exception of dictation, which, if you’re using a Mac Pro, you can afford to address by buying a microphone and a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking).
 
Really? Because the common use of the word shyster is who's a shady and unscrupulous individual.
To be fair, there’s the whole stereotype of Jews as being shady and unscrupulous. It doesn’t take much of a leap at all to see how a term used to describe shady and unscrupulous businesspeople could be weaponized to target an ethnic and religious group that has a history of being stereotyped as shady and unscrupulous businesspeople. And Shyster in particular has the additional issue of being a word with the markings of being derived from Yiddish. It’s something I could easily see people deliberately use to target Jews.

Might I suggest charlatan as an alternative? It’s also French, which, of course, makes everything sound more intelligent and exotic.
 
You’re probably not going to be using any of these features on a Mac Pro regardless. A Mac Pro is a minimum $6000 computer that’s mostly designed for high end video editing and converting, 3D rendering, physics simulations, and other tasks that really put the pro in professional. Even as a programmer, I don’t think I could get away with the “well, I need a Mac Pro for compiling my code faster” anymore, as code compilation is faster than ever (due to SSDs and raw silicon performance) and the Mac Pro is increasingly geared towards professional tasks more demanding than what I’d put it through. These missing features are more consumer oriented (with the possible exception of dictation, which, if you’re using a Mac Pro, you can afford to address by buying a microphone and a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking).
I agree with you - I'm just interested to see the forking of OS features based on device. Because you can still get a 13" MBP with an intel processor etc, a 27" iMac etc.
 
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I agree with you - I'm just interested to see the forking of OS features based on device. Because you can still get a 13" MBP with an intel processor etc, a 27" iMac etc.
True, though the processors in them definitely don’t have the same oomph as the Mac Pro’s. It’s likely that a software only implementation of these features wouldn’t run as well, even on the 27” iMac (least of all on something like a 2019 MacBook Air).

But if you were to go into an Apple Store or authorized third party Mac store today (assuming they’re open in your area, of course), I’d imagine they wouldn’t let you buy an Intel Mac without an awareness of the M1 alternatives (unless it seems like you really know what you’re talking about, perhaps). They might even ask a few questions about your use case to see if x86 is a good fit, or if you should move to Apple Silicon instead. That said, if you’re buying online and you haven’t done due diligence on the product’s suitability for your needs, that’s on you. Like buying a Bluetooth receiver (a device for allowing Bluetooth audio sources to work with wired, especially 3.5mm, audio) when what you need is a Bluetooth transmitter (a device that takes wired audio, especially 3.5mm, and transmits it to a Bluetooth headset or speaker).
 
True, though the processors in them definitely don’t have the same oomph as the Mac Pro’s. It’s likely that a software only implementation of these features wouldn’t run as well, even on the 27” iMac (least of all on something like a 2019 MacBook Air).

But if you were to go into an Apple Store or authorized third party Mac store today (assuming they’re open in your area, of course), I’d imagine they wouldn’t let you buy an Intel Mac without an awareness of the M1 alternatives (unless it seems like you really know what you’re talking about, perhaps). They might even ask a few questions about your use case to see if x86 is a good fit, or if you should move to Apple Silicon instead. That said, if you’re buying online and you haven’t done due diligence on the product’s suitability for your needs, that’s on you. Like buying a Bluetooth receiver (a device for allowing Bluetooth audio sources to work with wired, especially 3.5mm, audio) when what you need is a Bluetooth transmitter (a device that takes wired audio, especially 3.5mm, and transmits it to a Bluetooth headset or speaker).
If I told them I'd like to use my Magic Mouse with my laptop or MacMini, I wonder if they would tell me to not get an M1, as both my M1 MBA, and M1 MacMini don't seem to work with Magic Mouse. I have to use a blasted Lenovo USB corded mouse.
 
If I told them I'd like to use my Magic Mouse with my laptop or MacMini, I wonder if they would tell me to not get an M1, as both my M1 MBA, and M1 MacMini don't seem to work with Magic Mouse. I have to use a blasted Lenovo USB corded mouse.
Strange. I do use 2 magic mice on a M1 MBP. Works flawlessly
 
There seems to be an active double standard that I see a lot on here (and have for years as a lurker):
If Apple makes a change that excludes features, or has some sort of limitation, people are like “well you bought it so you’re entitled to what you got when you bought it and nothing more” which is to say “you knew the rules when you signed up, you can’t expect them to change now so suck it up”

If Apple makes a change to existing developer rules for the App Store, they’re somehow fully entitled to do that whenever they want and the developers cannot complain, which is to say “you knew the rules when you signed up but now they’ve changed, suck it up”

seems like for some folks, Apple always wins and that’s just not a convo worth having. I commend you for toughing it out for so long but it’s truly pointless to sing against the echo chamber

The owner of the software always wins. Your usage of software is a privilege given to you by the owner. It is a privilege which very often can be revoked or changed at any time. Basically, you have no rights unless the owner has granted you rights.

If you expect Apple to implement every feature everywhere it is possible you haven't been experiencing Apple in the last 25 years. And Apple will continue in the future to disappoint you.

This is how Apple has operated for all of its existence. They are a forward looking company and usually care very little about the past. To them, Intel CPUs are now the past.
 
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Oh, Apple’s not forcing, they’re PUSHING, they’re… ahh, they’re SHOVING folks, now can’t anyone see?. No one except for a few here in these forums will be able to resist Apple’s push to obtain… ahhh

<referring to feature list>
blurry video and spinning globes. Apparently.

Very few, if any, will buy a new M1 Mac because of those few, mostly insignificant features which are exclusively for M1. The Intel got several new features also which was more significant.

Also, there is no problem that a company wants its customers to buy their new products! It is what we expect them to do!

It is your responsibility as a customer to only buy what you want or need.
 
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It isn't being deprecated behind the scenes. Once the transition to AS was announced, and they did declare that eventually everything would be AS, the deprecation began. As a consumer, you can make an informed decision based on what information is already out there, regardless of whatever hyperbolic marketing you may encounter.

A typical person isn't going to purchase a Mac Pro because of the marketing they saw. Well, maybe an exec. But in all seriousness, if you're going to drop that amount of cash, then you are probably going to have done some homework, and have seen that they already will replace this Mac with a different architecture.

Chances are that your workflows you are leveraging a Mac Pro for are unlikely to be inhibited by a few yet-to-be unreleased features in a future OS. You might have benefited from a pro app updating to leverage new hardware, but that could happen regardless of whatever computer you bought, like ray-tracing support from a newer GPU.

And even though Apple has said there's another Intel Mac in the works, doesn't mean it'll ever come to fruition. Remember AirPower? It happens.

Yes, primarily because if I have the money to drop of a $50,000 machine and I need better, like “make more money from my work” better, then I’d get better. If better is Premiere, I’d get it. If better is an Apple Silicon Mac, then I’d get one when it’s available. Otherwise, I’d keep using the codecs that have made me money for years.


You’re pissed so they don’t have to be? :) You can be assured that folks buying a $50,000 system today are doing so because they’ve got an opportunity to make WAY MORE than that back. Or, I guess, they could go to the producer and let them know,

“Hey, I really wanted to seal this deal with you, but right before I bought the computer, I realized I couldn’t spin a globe on it.”
—“What are you talking about? I wasn’t asking you to spin a globe I wanted you to edit this footage…”
“I know, I know, you’ve got this FCP footage you wanted me to edit, but I just couldn’t bring myself to buy a computer that I can’t spin a globe on.”
—“Wait, wait, like Google Earth? You can’t spin a globe on Google Earth so I have to go find someone el…”
“No, there’s this globe that’s going to be in the new OS to be released this fall. It’s an Apple produced globe.”
—“This fall? YOU’LL BE DONE before then! You mean to tell me you’re turning me down because of a thing that you won’t even be able to use during the time you’re doing the work for me?”
“Yeah, you’re going to have to find someone else that doesn’t care about currently nonexistent virtual globes. Sorry.”

Missing the point entirely. If you are okay with Apple not developing to the full potential of the hardware it is actively selling as "With the greatest performance, expansion, and configurability" at this very moment then good for you.
 
Missing the point entirely.
No, not missing the point, merely applying some much needed perspective. :) I mean, you say “good for you” but it’s not just me, it’s virtually everyone in that position. And, since it’s good for everyone, now that you know that in this case, you’re pissed for folks that generally aren’t pissed, aren’t you relieved that you can now find something else to be pissed about? I mean, the M1 doesn’t get BootCamp, you can be pissed for THEM now. BootCamp is at LEAST an actually useful feature… FAR more useful than spinning a globe.
 
I know what you’re saying, but that may not be the case for everyone. Apple still sell Intel products, so I see it as their responsibility to not remove functionality from the devices they continue to sell. If they were all discontinued it would be a different story.
They aren’t removing functionality from the devices they continue to sell. Apple still sold the iPad Mini 2 for years until 2017, even though it couldn’t do all the features of the iPad Mini 4 that was released in 2015.
 
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