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Kwyjibo said:
Well, that would really depend on what state you're in. Most states you can consent at 17 (some 16 or some 18). So the situation you propose isn't probably statutory rape because shes at or above the event.
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I don't see how "probably" weighs in on this. Depending on what state you live in my example is either statutory rape or it isn't. There's really no room for interpretation. You are either of age or you are not.

I don't think courts are TOO extreme on these issues when the ages aren't too big if you were 18 and she was 16 thats illegal in most states but I would assume you can get a decent deal if it was consensual. whereas if you were 25 ...
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But that's the whole point of statutory rape is that people under a certain age cannot legally consent to sex. And if it wasn't consensual then it would be rape, not statutory rape.


Lethal
 
I happen to disagree with making it the law that convicted sex offenders must register on a list. I am not saying that the sex offenders are right by any means in their actions, what I am saying is that after they serve their time then that should be it. As one poster pointed out, how are they supposed to live a normal life after prison if they are expected to be put on some "black list". I know those who support such laws don't believe they should ever live a normal life again. But might I also point out that there are innocent people who are convicted and serve time for crimes that they didn't commit. I would hate to be convicted and serve time for a crime that I didn't commit and then be forced on some list when I released from prison.
 
maestro55 said:
I happen to disagree with making it the law that convicted sex offenders must register on a list. I am not saying that the sex offenders are right by any means in their actions, what I am saying is that after they serve their time then that should be it. As one poster pointed out, how are they supposed to live a normal life after prison if they are expected to be put on some "black list". I know those who support such laws don't believe they should ever live a normal life again. But might I also point out that there are innocent people who are convicted and serve time for crimes that they didn't commit. I would hate to be convicted and serve time for a crime that I didn't commit and then be forced on some list when I released from prison.
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Well normal they shouldn't. Why, my friend who lives across the street from me has 6 kids, ages 2-13. The guy next door to them raped their one child when the child was 10, it took some time to find/arrest this "animal" After all was said and done/time served he was able to come back home...yes home that is right, the home next door to where he raped the one child and acted like nothing ever happened. Where is the "NORMAL" coming from in your post?
Normal as in the child has to see this "animal" everyday even after this happened and live in fear only to walk the other way just like the law? I think if you got violated for almost a year at a young age or maybe a sibling of yours you might not feel the same way.
To top all this off he was seen by other people as Santa this past Christmas at the local boys/girls club. He almost got caught but had someone elses car and couldn't be proved it was him that day.
Sometimes children can not protect themselves and that's where this has to fill that void or "black list" as this is no longer a privacy issue but protection.
 
There are 5 total in my town of less than 15,000.

All of them look pretty sleezy except for one and he lives not to far away for me on. He lives on Moosehorn Drive, where we almost bought a house. That is a pretty nice neighborhood though. Anyone can be a sex offender
 
maestro55 said:
I happen to disagree with making it the law that convicted sex offenders must register on a list. I am not saying that the sex offenders are right by any means in their actions, what I am saying is that after they serve their time then that should be it. As one poster pointed out, how are they supposed to live a normal life after prison if they are expected to be put on some "black list".
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You really think they plan on leading a normal life after they serve their time?

The vast majority of these people think they've done nothing wrong and no amount of therapy or counselling is going to convince them otherwise.

If you saw first-hand the damage sexual abuse does to a child and had to listen to the excuses the perpetrator makes, I think you'd see the point of a sex offenders' register.
 
I am not saying that the sex offenders were right in what they did, what I am saying is that people are not naturally monsters. People can and do change. The example of the guy who moved right back in the house next to the family, that is unfortunate; however, it would have happened even if the guy wasn't on this "black list".

The vast majority of these people think they've done nothing wrong and no amount of therapy or counselling is going to convince them otherwise.
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If a sex offender is going to strike again they will if they are on a list or not. They say this allows parents to be aware of who is in their communities, but shouldn't parents be weary about everyone in their community? As pointed out earlier by someone else, those with money could easily go years with out ever getting caught, therefore they would be a sex offender, and never on this list.

The list doesn't stop sex offenders, the list only is a burden for those who serve their time and do change and those who were innocent in the first place.
 
maestro55 said:
I happen to disagree with making it the law that convicted sex offenders must register on a list. I am not saying that the sex offenders are right by any means in their actions, what I am saying is that after they serve their time then that should be it.
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It's a tough call, because it's not purely a matter of their own free will. Their hormones obviously play a huge factor in this too.

I presume one commits a sexual offense (whether rape, or molesting a child, or whatever) because one has a sexual preference geared toward whatever activity constituted the offense. I also presume that one cannot easily change their sexual preference (let's see some of you straight guys "go gay" or vice versa). I have to presume this has an impact on the offender, even after the punishment is served. If they have a strong enough will, combined with therapy or medication or whatever, perhaps they can resume a "normal" life. But deep down their sexual attraction remains the same as it always was, and it's up to them to tame the "monster" and avoid the temptation of re-offending.

Other crimes, such as theft or drug-dealing or even murder, are based more on poor decision making than on hormonal urges (well, for most of us, anyway), and I think that's the key difference in why we treat sex offenders so much more differently than other types of criminals.
 
my area has two sex offender web pages...the official one from the county and one hosted by a prankster who decided to target people he/she didn't like

they should take the prankster out to the lake and drown them slowly...and i am a liberal who is anti-death penalty :)
 
LethalWolfe said:
So if the parents of a 17yr old girl get her 18yr old boyfriend tossed in jail for statutory rape he deserves to be shipped off to said island?


Lethal
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Don't be ridiculous. Two kids ****ing is different than rape or molestation. In Colorado you can be 19 and have sex with a 16 year old, as long as its consensual.

A sex offender isn't someone who has sex with someone who is of the age of consent, and consents to have sex. True someone who is not within the legal limit can be considered a sex offender, but most I'm sure are rapists and people who go after kids.
 
max_altitude said:
What to know how to spot a pedophile? Learn all about it here.
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That's really funny in a dark way. The only problem was I immediately realized my semi-creepy older cousin has the ped-o-smile exacly. Place really concerned and disgusted smiley face here.

Did you write it?
 
well, there are 21 in my area which is more then i thought it would be for my small town.

I am also with the people that say castrate them.

I understand the whole point that one person said about the list and how it "blacklists" them; well, the point is...is that they f'ed up there life in the first place so they should have to deal with it. Yes, some people can change, but the vast majority of them don't. As far as i am concerned our laws are not stricked enough for stuff like this.

I am the kinda person that believes in the saying "an eye for an eye." Now this does not always apply but for most things i think it does. If you murder someone and are sentenced to death you dont sit there for 20 years...you die.

I know for a fact that if one of my family members was ever molested, killed, or had anything happen to them i would stop it nothing for revenge. Guess i get that from my dad.

See what this thread made me do :( I stareted with sex offenders and ended up talking about killers. Time to go to bed and not think about anything
 
It looks like there's a women sex offender on my street! There's also a sex offender on the street next to mine. :eek:
 
Onizuka said:
Don't be ridiculous. Two kids ****ing is different than rape or molestation. In Colorado you can be 19 and have sex with a 16 year old, as long as its consensual.

A sex offender isn't someone who has sex with someone who is of the age of consent, and consents to have sex. True someone who is not within the legal limit can be considered a sex offender, but most I'm sure are rapists and people who go after kids.
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It's sadly not ridiculous, a friend of mine was convicted of "underage-sex" for having sex with his 15 year-old girlfriend when he was 15 (AoC in the UK is 16) because her parents got the hump and reported him.

He got done NOT her, even though they carried on seeing each other for years afterwards, he is now PERMANENTLY on the sex-offenders register, and is barred from doing a whole bunch of stuff including holding public office or serving in the forces.

There are loopholes is a sadly necessary system, and it can be abused.
 
Chuckles said:
It looks like there's a women sex offender on my street! There's also a sex offender on the street next to mine. :eek:
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They have to end up somewhere and we would not want to violate their civil rights and privacy. No, of course not ... this is America, where CEO looters of companies build lavish multimillion dollar waterfront homes in FL and usually get to keep them.
 
WinterMute said:
It's sadly not ridiculous, a friend of mine was convicted of "underage-sex" for having sex with his 15 year-old girlfriend when he was 15 (AoC in the UK is 16) because her parents got the hump and reported him.

He got done NOT her, even though they carried on seeing each other for years afterwards, he is now PERMANENTLY on the sex-offenders register, and is barred from doing a whole bunch of stuff including holding public office or serving in the forces.

There are loopholes is a sadly necessary system, and it can be abused.
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Well your example is pure ********. The courts should have throw out the case. If he's underage, he shouldn't be able to be punished for having "underaged" sex. This is an example of where the system failed to do its job.
 
Onizuka said:
Well your example is pure ********. The courts should have throw out the case. If he's underage, he shouldn't be able to be punished for having "underaged" sex. This is an example of where the system failed to do its job.
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Yes, the system failed, but he broke the "law".

My point was not about his case but about the ability to manipulate a system and a population terrified of the specter of "sex crime".

You only have to look at the morons who beat up a Pediatrician instead of a peadophile in the UK a couple of years ago.

Not everyone on the sex offenders register deserves to be there or is dangerous, my friend is no more a criminal than you or I (OK I give you the benefit of the doubt here Onizuka...), but was convicted at the insistence of outraged parents.
 
Onizuka said:
Don't be ridiculous. Two kids ****ing is different than rape or molestation. In Colorado you can be 19 and have sex with a 16 year old, as long as its consensual.

A sex offender isn't someone who has sex with someone who is of the age of consent, and consents to have sex. True someone who is not within the legal limit can be considered a sex offender, but most I'm sure are rapists and people who go after kids.
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Too many girls cry date rape when that isn't really the case. Too many girls go through bad break-ups with older guys after having sex, the girl feels violated in some way that he would leave her after she gives her virginity up for him. So she gets mad, tells mommy and daddy, they look at the 18 or 19 year old guy as being the bad guy (and lets say the girl is 16 or 17) and they decide to press charges. They make up whatever they have to to get the boy arrested. He is not a convicted sex offender and goes on this list and his whole life is ruined because even when he is released he is still "black listed". Even one of these cases is too many.

Well your example is pure ********. The courts should have throw out the case. If he's underage, he shouldn't be able to be punished for having "underaged" sex. This is an example of where the system failed to do its job.
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But you see, the system is flawed and often fails to do its job. So what the courts should have done and what the courts did are two differen things.
 
ahh gotta love the american culture of fear! Remember, theirs a sex offender living next door and a terrorist sitting next to you on the plane.

Now Vote Bush!!!!
 
maestro55 said:
But you see, the system is flawed and often fails to do its job. So what the courts should have done and what the courts did are two differen things.
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the system does make mistakes in many different types of cases...but in one case law book i was reading concerning a case going after a rich defendant, it was noted that [lady] justice lifts her blindfold ;)
 
dornoforpyros said:
ahh gotta love the american culture of fear! Remember, theirs a sex offender living next door and a terrorist sitting next to you on the plane.

Now Vote Bush!!!!
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This fear really does hurt the world. I will use amateur radio as an example, since it is my hobby and my love. Back before my days it was common practice for amateur operators to invite over the local boys and girls to visit their stations. It was very innocent and it helped spark the interest of amateur radio in many of the amateurs who are active today. However, now that we live in fear, it just isn't possible. Not only do parents have fears, but the amateur operators must fear that false accusations will be made. I don't understand why this stuff happens, but it does.

I use Michael Jackson as an example, twice he was accused of doing stuff he didn't do. It was one big conspiracy, people who were angry at him trying to get back at him. Now the world thinks less of Michael Jackson, and even I have been caught doubting his side of the story.

So anyhow, the word "pedophile" is used too often in our society and it makes me wonder how many convicted sex offenders are truley innocent.

..and don't get me started on the fear the government is passing on to the American people when it comes to terrorism. That is for a totally different thread.
 
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