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Shake 4.1 and Price Drop?

This is absolutely amazing.

Maxed out 17" MBP w/ Final Cut Studio, Logic Pro, Shake, and Aperture ... $5000 edu. That's so completely mind-boggling right now. A complete production environment for only $5000.

What's bad is I have enough in savings to cover it. Must resist.
 
ChrisBrightwell said:
This is absolutely amazing.

Maxed out 17" MBP w/ Final Cut Studio, Logic Pro, Shake, and Aperture ... $5000 edu. That's so completely mind-boggling right now. A complete production environment for only $5000.

What's bad is I have enough in savings to cover it. Must resist.
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Savings? Pfffft you're young...make it happen. :D
 
nuckinfutz said:
Savings? Pfffft you're young...make it happen. :D
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If I weren't getting married in mid-August ... :(

I already have Aperture and don't need Logic, so that helps. If I can get a decent sale on my 15" PowerBook, it may happen by the end of the year. Depends on a few things, but Shake+FCS is definitely making me feel the upgrade bug a bit more.
 
I'm Speechless Although Learning Shake Is Very Difficult

ChrisBrightwell said:
This is absolutely amazing.

Maxed out 17" MBP w/ Final Cut Studio, Logic Pro, Shake, and Aperture ... $5000 edu. That's so completely mind-boggling right now. A complete production environment for only $5000.

What's bad is I have enough in savings to cover it. Must resist.
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I agree. But regardless of what price we can get Shake for, learning it is very difficult. I've seen the demos and it isn't simple to use at all. Nevertheless it sure is amazing like the $199 FCP 4 to FCS 5.1 Upgrade.

Less than $4k if you choose a MacBook instead.
 
ChrisBrightwell said:
This is absolutely amazing.

Maxed out 17" MBP w/ Final Cut Studio, Logic Pro, Shake, and Aperture ... $5000 edu. That's so completely mind-boggling right now. A complete production environment for only $5000.

What's bad is I have enough in savings to cover it. Must resist.
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Serious question: What could you edit with such a setup? Standard format Video yes. But could a MBP handle HD? Could it handle 4K film? Could you fit the footage for a 30 minute show on a MBP. If the notebok must be tethered to a disk arrary then why a notebook. Better to get a 20" iMac and a disk array.
 
ChrisA said:
If the notebok must be tethered to a disk arrary then why a notebook[?]
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Two reasons:
1. I can't carry an iMac to class or on vacation.
2. I do a lot of off-site work.

If I were doing pro work, that would be one thing, but I'm not. I'm a student who does a lot of freelance production and off-the-cuff stuff for friends, family, and a few local organizations. Media production (audio, video, photo) is a hobby for me, so being able to do small-scale stuff on a killer laptop for $5000 is unbelievable.

Granted, I could buy an iMac and match it with an iBook for a decent prices, but juggling two machines gets loathsome after a while.
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
I can see Apple dropping Shake from $2999 to $2499, a $500 drop but from $2999 to $499 I think it's highly unlikely.

If Apple does start selling Shake for $499 I'll buy a copy :D
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Ordered it yet? :D
 
Multimedia said:
I agree. But regardless of waht price we can get Shake for, learning it is very difficult. I've seen the demos and it isn't simple to use at all. Nevertheless it sure is amazing like the $199 FCP 4 to FCS 5.1 Upgrade.

Less than $4k if you choose a MacBook instead.
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You are right. When I tell people "Gimp" is free. The #1 rreason that I hear for sticking with Photoshop is that Gimp has an interface that is not exactly like Photoshops and they'd have to re-learn something. They'd rather pay $600 if that saves then for having to learn something new. This actually makes sense too if you can bill you time at $100/hour.

So what we see here is that even with a $600 program, for many users the price is not the biggest cost of ownership. It their investment of time.

I sus[pect the same with Motion. $500 is triveal compared to the weeks or months of your time you will need to spend before you can use it. So even if Motion were free, I'd bet few people would actuialy use it. Look at the example of Gimp. It's free but it's bigest barier to use is the time it would take to learn it. for most people iPhoto works well enough
 
The only reason I can see Apple dropping the price of Shake is to compete with products like Combustion, Smoke and Flame.
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Hmm Not Quite. Combustion is an inferior product. Smoke is an editor which costs $100,000 upwards depending on your configuration and Flame, which is Shake's competitor is $200,000 upwards, so the moves put Shake at the price of the baby apps while it is the giant app...
 
ChrisA said:
Serious question: What could you edit with such a setup? Standard format Video yes. But could a MBP handle HD? Could it handle 4K film? Could you fit the footage for a 30 minute show on a MBP. If the notebok must be tethered to a disk arrary then why a notebook. Better to get a 20" iMac and a disk array.
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Acually the MBP would be better For HD and other highend work for one reason...FW 800
 
It's true that Shake isnt the most intuitive application out there. It takes a lot of practice and a very good understanding of compositing and image processing because you are dealing with individual operations rather than just plopping effects onto a layer in After Effects. I have taken a class on it in school and I can say that I now have a good understanding of the program and how to use it effectively. Aside from taking a class, a Gnomon DVD would probably be best for learning Shake in addition to the book "The Art and Science of Digital Compositing" by Ron Brinkman (one of the original authors of Shake). The book isn't entirely Shake focused but it gives you great information on compositing in general. The huge price drop is very appealing. If you are intent on taking a class on it I would highly recommend taking it at NYU's CADA with Gavin Guerra.
 
I have worked with Combustion and Shake before and I feel that Combustion is not necessarily an inferior product to Shake, Shake definitely has an advantage over Combustion. Combustion is definitely easier when working with any kind of motion graphics or keyframe animated motions on a timeline. Shake's timeline is a little tricky to work with, though I find timeline arrangement to be easiest with After Effects. Combustion has a great particle system while Shake does not have a particle system built in. Shake excels at 2D/3D integration, HD/2K compositing, 32bit (float) processing, and working with large complicated composites. I also find the nodal workflow of Shake to be intuitive when trying to troubleshoot problems. Shake is definitely a LOT faster than Combustion. I can't wait to see how it will run on the new Mac Pro's.
 
shaker2006 said:
It is true fellas.Apple is dropping the price to $499 and Shake 4.1 will be the LAST version of shake. They are killing the product. They will also release a non-locked version to all people on support, thus there will be a "free" version of Shake floating around the net soon.
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How is it locked? Dongle?
 
shaker2006 said:
If, and it is a HUGE if, If Apple comes out with a Shake replacement it will not be here till, and this is the earliest, 2008.
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Why would they kill this app without replacing it? Are they losing money on it or something? And if they have a new app in the works, wouldn't it make more sense to just make the new app an upgrade from shake? Is the shake codebase so bad that they need to scrap it and start over instead of just improving it?

And maybe most importantly, when a new app ships, will there be an upgrade path from Shake?

Where are you guys getting info on this future app? Links?

Would shake run on a MB or mini, or does it require use the GPU?
 
Autumn 2006 IG Chipset Change Will Solve Weakness In Current Set

milo said:
Why would they kill this app without replacing it? Are they losing money on it or something? And if they have a new app in the works, wouldn't it make more sense to just make the new app an upgrade from shake? Is the shake codebase so bad that they need to scrap it and start over instead of just improving it?

And maybe most importantly, when a new app ships, will there be an upgrade path from Shake?

Where are you guys getting info on this future app? Links?

Would shake run on a MB or mini, or does it require use the GPU?
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The current MB and mini integrated graphics (IG) will be replaced by a much more powerful IG chipset in the fall. I think if we can hold out for that change, all the graphic dependent pro apps will run fairly well then.
 
Multimedia said:
The current MB and mini integrated graphics (IG) will be replaced by a much more powerful IG chipset in the fall. I think if we can hold out for that change, all the graphic dependent pro apps will run fairly well then.
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So is that a confirmation that Shake uses the GPU? Does it run at all on a mini or MB? (motion does, doesn't it?)
 
anthony113 said:
probably flexLM bound to the ethernet adapter like the other versions
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No, the flexlm and all locks are being removed from the new download versions of Shake. Only the boxed versions will have serial numbers.
 
shake takes advantage of some opengl features for things like rotoshapes and some transformation stuff i think. hopefully apple's new compositing app is like autodesk's toxik, allowing for collaborative compositing. that's the big thing in the industry right now. as cpu power has increased the industry is starting to move away from the large standalone flint/flame/inferno systems and the future looks like a move toward collaborative workflow and distributed processing.
 
anthony113 said:
It's true that Shake isnt the most intuitive application out there. It takes a lot of practice and a very good understanding of compositing and image processing because you are dealing with individual operations rather than just plopping effects onto a layer in After Effects. I have taken a class on it in school and I can say that I now have a good understanding of the program and how to use it effectively. Aside from taking a class, a Gnomon DVD would probably be best for learning Shake in addition to the book "The Art and Science of Digital Compositing" by Ron Brinkman (one of the original authors of Shake). The book isn't entirely Shake focused but it gives you great information on compositing in general. The huge price drop is very appealing. If you are intent on taking a class on it I would highly recommend taking it at NYU's CADA with Gavin Guerra.
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slightly off topic, but do the gnomon dvd's have sample files at all? the biggest problem i have when trying to learn such high end apps is having the source files to play with... much better to have some good footage and such to start with than having to use stuff i've shot shoddily myself...

thanks
 
ChrisA said:
The #1 rreason that I hear for sticking with Photoshop is that Gimp has an interface that is not exactly like Photoshops and they'd have to re-learn something.
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1st reason people stick with Photoshop: kick-ass rock solid algorithms. Gimp is sloooww, to the point of being useless with anything larger than 100Mb. It doesn't hold up the same quality standards that PS does. It's not a serious alternative, unfortunately. Besides, the interface sucks. There is, however, the popular Gimpshop that makes it less prohibitive
 
milo said:
So is that a confirmation that Shake uses the GPU? Does it run at all on a mini or MB? (motion does, doesn't it?)
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Shake relies more on the CPU than GPU, so lower end machines can handle the app fairly well.

System Requirements:
Mac OS X
1GHz or faster PowerPC G4, PowerPC G5 or Intel Core processor
Mac OS X 10.4.6 or later
QuickTime 7.0.4 or later
512MB (or more) of RAM
1GB hard disk space for disk cache
AGP or PCI Express graphics card with at least 32MB of video memory and OpenGL hardware acceleration
Display with 1280-by-1024-pixel resolution and 24-bit color
Three-button mouse
Optional: AJA Kona or Blackmagic DeckLink card required to preview composites on a broadcast video monitor
 
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