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FWIW bio-plastics are good enough for BMW and Mercedes parts so I think the quality is there (Bimmer and Cedes customers are picky!). Can they produce the sort of impact-resistant-yet-hard-feeling -and-scratch-resistant plastics required for a phone shell in sufficient quantity to meet demand though?

Good question. Some plastics are used, but the majority of the plastics in auto's are "traditional". Safety measures require durable plastics for interior parts. OBD plastics aren't meant for a life span of a vehicle and are far from durable/safe.

Here is an article on the subject, I'll quote parts that pertain to your question but read the full report (this was the first google result, there are more):

Do Bioplastics Have a Place in Automotive Manufacturing?

The article references a report, "Bridging the Divide between Demands and Bio-Based Materials".

The firm says that about 12 percent of the mass of a vehicle is made up of polymers.

Polyurethane foam as used in car seats and upholstery represents one important target for replacement with bio-materials. Polyols, a key ingredient of polyurethane foam, can be derived from plants instead of petroleum. The CAR report says that Ford is now using soy-based polyurethane in various vehicles for foam seating, headrests and headliner.

BioAmber, based in Minneapolis, Minn., a green-chemistry firm backed by Japanese industrial firm Mitsui, has developed bio-based succinic acid, which can be used as a direct substitute for petroleum-based succinic acid in polyurethane. The company also manufactures a bio-based 1,4 butanediol (BDO), used in the manufacture of plastics, fibers and polyurethanes. The company says it manufactures its succinic acid using a fermentation process that “improves the carbon footprint by consuming carbon dioxide rather than emitting it as a byproduct."

The CAR report says that GM is using polypropylene (PP) made from wood for setbacks ... and PP made from flax for trim and shelving... Ford is using PP from wheat straw for interior storage bins in the Ford Flex and PP from coconut for the loadfloor in the Focus BEV. The Lexus CT200h contains polyethylene (PE) made from bamboo and corn in its luggage compartment, speakers and floor mats, and multiple Mercedes-Benz models have PE from flax in the engine and transmission cover and in underbody panels. The report mentions numerous other applications of bio-based materials in BMW, Fiat, Volkswagen, Ford, GM, Lincoln, Mazda, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and other vehicles.

It seems bioplastics are being used in small parts and seating, etc. Bio-based nylon is gaining ground due to its ability to withstand high temps.
 
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A little delusion in life never hurt anybody ;) although I prefer to call it positive scepticism. It's all about the bigger picture with Apple. If making blatant mistakes in security for one product can cover the release of another then that could be a sacrifice worth making. But your right, it is most likely deluded. Time will tell.

Since thoughts create reality, then yes, you are right, delusion will influence reality. However, this close to September 10th, the momentum is sort of working against you. It's hard to delude yourself when all these rumors and expetations are already built up, unless you do significantly less observing of the current reality (iPhone 5C and 5S) and significantly more imagning of the reality with the products you want. Most people are very good observers... imagining, not so much past age 5.
 
This comment makes tons of sense. The entire purpose of the 5C is that it's cheap. Defeats the purpose on buying a cheap model if your willing to spend the money. But don't be surprised if the 5C is 8gig. Just saying.

I could see that too. My personal feeling is 8GB is just too low in today's world for a phone. Even an iPad at 16GB is too low IMO. I think minimum for either should be 32GB.

But, different price structures etc.

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I don't even want one but that's complete bull. I've always been able to manage with the 16GB but with increasing camera quality every year and a growing iTunes library (only 9GB) I've been having to do a lot of picking and choosing what I want to delete lately. Even for "casual users" 16GB is seemingly pushing it these days. I understand the need to differentiate but 16GB only is not the way to do it.

I they sell an 8GB iPhone 4 still.

I would prefer the minimum be 32GB but saying they absolutely won't totally ignores the current situation and Apple history.

You can manage with 16GB, good for you. I have a 64GB 4S and iPad 4, and feel constrained.

9GB?!?!?! My music library alone is 75GB -Apple lossless.

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Well, looks like Dipping Dots is going to win over KitKat in the latest mobile OS battle...

You made me laugh out loud, thank you! :D
 
Maybe 5 starts at 32GB and same as 5S. That will differentiate als 3 models. I don't see iPhone 5 is gone because 2 models of iPhone in 3 tiers would be a dumb strategy. I still think 3 models of iPhone make perfect sense:

16GB 5c
32/64GB 5
32/64/128GB 5s

I agree I don't think they'll discontinue the 5, but that it'll be the entry level, previous generation 5S, but it won't come with options for storage, it'll only come in 16GB. I agree completely with the storage options for the 5S.

As for the 5C, I don't agree with that at all, I do think it'll start at 16GB, but they won't limit the storage options because that will limit the sales of the product, and if people want more storage they won't necessarily buy a 5S, that would be attributing several hundred dollars for storage in value in the minds of the average consumer. What I mean is that if someone wants a device with 32GB storage, they would have to pay the premium addition to the 5S, meaning in their minds storage would costs 100s of dollars. That's not the way Apple differentiates products, I think the 5C will have 16/32/64GB options. In one week we'll all know, can't wait to find out.
 
Retina is no longer class leading (hasn't been for a while)

I agree that ~300ppi is no longer leading edge, but how to increase the pixel density easily for developers without doubling it to ~600ppi?
 
I agree that ~300ppi is no longer leading edge, but how to increase the pixel density easily for developers without doubling it to ~600ppi?

Isn't retina at a point where the eye cannot perceive the pixels that make up the image. Would going above that even matter?
 
Isn't retina at a point where the eye cannot perceive the pixels that make up the image. Would going above that even matter?

Some people "needs" more pixels, more megapixels, more mghz, more, more and more and the companies know this.
 
That is what they do with the current iPods I believe.

I never said they were actual units, only that it looks a lot like the current iPod packaging.

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Now one difference between the current iPod packaging and the pic in the story is the text on the current iPods matches the device, the pics in the story don't seem to.

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I never claimed the pics are real, only that it looks similar to the current iPod packing. Similar does not mean 'exactly'.
Of the packaging of the iPod Touch I was aware it looked alike, but I didn't know that in the new Nano-packaging the background is also the same as the color of the device itself, my bad! I had even forgotten the current format of iPod Nano, never seen one around.
 
Isn't retina at a point where the eye cannot perceive the pixels that make up the image. Would going above that even matter?

-sigh- That's a myth. All credit goes to Steve Jobs, who I think said something like "the eye can only perceive ~300ppi".

The truth is our eyes are incredible and they can perceive way more than 300 pixels in a square inch.

HTC One has 468ppi. iPhone 5 has 326ppi. The difference is noticeable. The screen is still very good on the iPhone 5, but on the HTC One, it just amazes. So sharp and clear and lucid.
 
Isn't retina at a point where the eye cannot perceive the pixels that make up the image. Would going above that even matter?

If you want to call your hardware cutting edge then yes. When apple was on top of hardware innovation three years ago...it mattered.

Android is catching up and in some cases passing Apple. They can't sit with the same hardware for another 12 months. At some point - even fanboys need to admit that they are lagging behind. I love apple products...but am ready for some new innovation.

Apple iPhone history:
Original form factor:
- Original launched in 2007
- 3G - 2008
- 3Gs - 2009
New aluminum/glass form factor:
- 4 - 2010
- 4S - 2011
- 5 - 2012 - added a row of icons but just an evolution of the 4/4S.

2013? Will they drag this out for yet another year to add to their cash pile or push the envelope with something revolutionary? When the 4S launched prototypes of a thin larger screen device were spotted and even the case manufacturers had leaks to drive many to produce cases based on the thin tapered design. That is precisely the product they need now. The worst thing for Apple's future is for fan boys like us to line up and defend a lack of hardware innovation. A finger print scanner will not stem the tide of competition from Android. No matter how fractured and flawed their ecosystem is...they are gaining ground. Fast.

As I type this on my Macbook Pro Retina and my iPhone5 sitting next to me on my desk - I can't help but think competition is stiffer now than it ever has been. It is time for radical innovation...even if it messes with Apple's loved "S" mid cycle refresh.
 
Some people "needs" more pixels, more megapixels, more mghz, more, more and more and the companies know this.

Not true. Adding more megapixels doesn't necessarily make a better camera, but a higher pixel density always improves the display. More sub-pixels will always make a sharper display.

Is there a plateau? Possibly, but 300ppi is not it. Not even close.
 
An alarming aspect with bioplastics is the tax on the worlds food supply and carbon footprint used in production. Approximately 270 million tons of plastic are made annually, moving to corn-derived polylactic acid would remove 715 million tons in a time when global climate change is reducing tropical farm productivity.

Polylactic acid is actually considered a first generation bio-plastic and is now rapidly replaced by starch derived and other plastics (which in some respects are inferior in quality and durability). Many of the second generation bio-plastics are now derived from base materials that are not first-grade food based and have less of an impact on food supply. As these are often fermentation based, their carbon footprint is much much lower than aluminium and oil-based plastics. In addition, these are produced from bio-waste such as animal cadavers, and by-products from e.g. sugar production such as sugarcane and sugarbeet waste.

We are going in the right direction with plastics, but unfortunately not fast enough...
 
These would look great with those high end, machined aluminium cases...:D

doesn't matter what the iphone is made of, everyone's going to put it in a case.

anyone bitching about the 5C, you have the 5S.

typed on my polycarbonate white macbook.
 
The only thing I'm really wondering at this point is pricing. I'd love to finally switch from an android to an iPhone but it sounds like this new "budget" one is still going to be fairly expensive.
 
It's less expensive and MUCH less toxic to the environment than plastic. I do not understand the reasoning for a "cheaper" plastic iPhone, aluminum anodizing allows for colors and is already being used by Apple.

It is not cheaper. Maybe the material itself is cheaper, but the fact of the matter the process is harder. Some estimated $18 savings in manufacturing costs, and like others noted, QC on iPhone 5 caused a relatively high number of iPhone 5's to be replaced / not even make it outside the factory.
 
FWIW bio-plastics are good enough for BMW and Mercedes parts so I think the quality is there (Bimmer and Cedes customers are picky!). Can they produce the sort of impact-resistant-yet-hard-feeling -and-scratch-resistant plastics required for a phone shell in sufficient quantity to meet demand though?

What many companies might call bio-plastics are in fact not. Many plastics companies produce plastic from bio-derived, sustainable sources, but the product is still a conventional non-degradable plastic such as PP or PE.

True bio-plastics are bio-derived from feedstock such as wood-pulp, and are made into a bio-degradable end-product. The plastics that are used in BMW and Mercedes are of the first kind. The end product is indistinguishable from conventional oil-derived plastic in all its properties. Marketing is great isn't it?
 
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Will it be a full white iphone 5C ?? I hate black front color... Please tell me yes ! :confused:
 
Doubling down on security by leaking more than anyone thought possible before we even announce it
 
Where are all the "No way Apple would ever release that plastic garbage!" people now?? :rolleyes:

Hey plastic has come a long way! Everyone bashed Glock when they came out with the first polymer handgun but now 65% of law enforcement has a Glock in their holster! One might say Glock is the Apple of the gun industry, having read about both they both have the same ruthless take no prisoner marketing and sales strategy. Besides if Apple is going to release a plastic phone it will NOT be cheap plastic! Come on people its Apple, they don't want to look bad. Besides their are plenty of solid plastic phones besides iPhones that are perfect examples. Besides they need to offer more options, one juggernaught (sp?) company vs everyone else can't last forever unless they keep it up with constantly becoming more and more innovative and unpredictable and IMO they already have become somewhat more predictable so innovation is going to have to go UP!
 
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