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They released the first generation Intel iMac with the exact same design as the previous iMac G5, it’s not impossible that the new iMac design will be able to accommodate ARM and Intel.

But that was a different Apple. Now we have lots of differentiation as it is Tim's company. iPad/iPad Air/iPad Pro all different. iPhones and Pro models all different designs.

I seriously doubt this time they will be the same look/design. Apple Silicon is the future and I bet a completely new design.
 
What cases? I have a 2010 Mac Pro 3.33GHz 6-core w/ GTX 680 and it is half the Mac the iMac is.
Final Cut Pro X and Photoshop work. i9 does not make this work faster. I also know a very good photography studio that is local that uses a G5 Mac.
 
I think it's actually the Fusion Drives causing some of this delay - When specking out a machine and selecting the SSD's, Shipping time reduced to August. Also on the fence with several people with a 2013 iMac that won't be able to be updated in a few months to Big Sur. We'll see what happens!
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I'd expect it to sell about the same number of units, or even a bit higher, if there are enough people/businesses concerned about a specific app they use not making the transition to ARM native in a timely matter, if at all?

There will also be people who never buy the first version of any new product (1st model year cars, Macs, etc) and grab the last Intel iMac, in order to let other people perform the public beta test of the new ARM Macs?

Shrug?
Indeed. While it is possible that Apple will provide support for the Intel Macs a bit shorter than usual, why be the guinea pig for ARM? If your work depends on everything working properly, it may may sense to wait a couple of iterations before jumping to ARM. It will take time for software to be re-jigged and recompiled for ARM, and then even more time to get all the bugs worked out.

Yes there is Rosetta 2, but a lot of software will be buggy on it, and some software (like VM software) won't work at all on it.

The timing for me is perfect though. I have a 2017 iMac and 2017 MacBook. I have no desire to upgrade any time soon, and I tend to keep my Macs a long time. I expect I'll lose macOS version updates around 2023 or so, and by 2025 or so I will no longer have security updates. About that time I'll be ready for upgrades (assuming that the iPad Pro doesn't replace my MacBook completely by then).

Final Cut Pro X and Photoshop work. i9 does not make this work faster. I also know a very good photography studio that is local that uses a G5 Mac.
The only good reason to stay on a G5 Mac is to use legacy software. A friend of mine was using an OS 9 machine until at least around 2010 for a print shop because they had legacy software for one of the machines that was never ported over to OS X. Everything else they had was relatively modern though. So much faster... including Photoshop. Maybe an i9 isn't necessary, but a G5 is very limiting obviously.

And don't expect to buy a fully fleshed out and non-buggy version of Photoshop immediately at the launch of macOS ARM. Adobe is slow at this stuff and while they may get a version out, it will be buggy. In that context it may make sense to wait until next year or later.
 
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I'd been holding out for as long as possible, anticipating a redesign in March or at WWDC, but 2011 iMac started failing in December. So I caved and bought a 2019.

I opted for a 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAM. And god, it was not worth the over $2k. The 5K screen is awesome but everything aside from that just feels exactly the same. The performance is really, really disappointing. It stutters under my graphic design and music production workload. It is not smooth.

This is not a fun waiting game... anyone who needs an iMac is getting "DON'T BUY" screamed in their ears but with no real end in sight.
I’m in the same situation right now. My MacBook Pro 2913 died and I’m looking to get an iMac to work from home with the current situation we’re in but nothing is going on. I don’t know what to do and I need a 32gb ram 😩
 
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Indeed. While it is possible that Apple will provide support for the Intel Macs a bit shorter than usual, why be the guinea pig for ARM? If your work depends on everything working properly, it may may sense to wait a couple of iterations before jumping to ARM. It will take time for software to be re-jigged and recompiled for ARM, and then even more time to get all the bugs worked out.

Yes there is Rosetta 2, but a lot of software will be buggy on it, and some software (like VM software) won't work at all on it.

The timing for me is perfect though. I have a 2017 iMac and 2017 MacBook. I have no desire to upgrade any time soon, and I tend to keep my Macs a long time. I expect I'll lose macOS version updates around 2023 or so, and by 2025 or so I will no longer have security updates. About that time I'll be ready for upgrades (assuming that the iPad Pro doesn't replace my MacBook completely by then).


The only good reason to stay on a G5 Mac is to use legacy software. A friend of mine was using an OS 9 machine until at least around 2010 for a print shop because they had legacy software for one of the machines that was never ported over to OS X. Everything else they had was relatively modern though. So much faster... including Photoshop. Maybe an i9 isn't necessary, but a G5 is very limiting obviously.

And don't expect to buy a fully fleshed out and non-buggy version of Photoshop immediately at the launch of macOS ARM. Adobe is slow at this stuff and while they may get a version out, it will be buggy. In that context it may make sense to wait until next year or later.

No not really. For that business, Photoshop CS2 has all the tools they need to perform their job. Getting a new computer and getting a Photoshop subscription offers zero benefit to them. If the G5 breaks, they have no choice. But now? Why should they upgrade? Its costing the business 0% to have that G5. If they need to get a $1,000 system that is obviously going to cost them.

And actually, they have their workflow so ingrained in their minds that Photoshop CC 2020 would actually make their workflow SLOWER since it looks different, there are some tools that did get removed that they use in CS2, and so on.

For me personally, as long as I don't need to do HEVC video, my 2010 Mac Pro and 2019 i9 iMac take the exact same time to export the same project in FCPX.
 
No not really. For that business, Photoshop CS2 has all the tools they need to perform their job. Getting a new computer and getting a Photoshop subscription offers zero benefit to them. If the G5 breaks, they have no choice. But now? Why should they upgrade? Its costing the business 0% to have that G5. If they need to get a $1,000 system that is obviously going to cost them.

So in essence, they are using that computer just for legacy software, and not as a general use computer.

I still have CS6 on my legacy machines too BTW. No subscription required for CS6.

BTW, which G5 do they have? The G5 iMacs were notorious for bad caps, and the last G5 Power Macs leaked coolant.
 
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So in essence, they are using that computer just for legacy software, and not as a general use computer.

I still have CS6 on my legacy machines too BTW. No subscription required for CS6.

BTW, which G5 do they have? The G5 iMacs were notorious for bad caps, and the last G5 Power Macs leaked coolant.
Oh sorry it was the G5 Power Mac not iMac. It was the last G5 Power Mac and does not have any problems.
 
I suspect that supply chain is struggling with the disease.
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I ordered a maxed out 2019 and am getting it in a few weeks. Got tired of waiting.
 
I ordered a maxed out 2019 and am getting it in a few weeks. Got tired of waiting.
That means a new one must be coming this month. Thanks for taking one for the team! ;)

Oh sorry it was the G5 Power Mac not iMac. It was the last G5 Power Mac and does not have any problems.
Probably was one of the last air cooled ones then. Not the liquid cooled model. Those were a disaster.
 
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I posted earlier: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...arm-gpus.2243362/?post=28616747#post-28616747

My second prediction is that 23" (or smaller model) iMac will have Navi 1x GPU and 27" (or larger model) will have Navi 2x GPU. But all this is only fun guessing for me. I could be very wrong with everything!

Edit: A small part reason for this post is to ask Apple to include Navi 2x in at least one model. I think I realized it after posting. Haha.

Edit 2: The main reason is that there are so many rumors, since March 2020, that predict Navi 2x coming to Mac. And one reason for delaying to September could be to have access to Navi 2x. But my thoughts are all based on rumors and guesses. So I could be wrong about everything.
 
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Final Cut Pro X and Photoshop work. i9 does not make this work faster. I also know a very good photography studio that is local that uses a G5 Mac.
According to this guy, who is a huge Photoshop guy, and very well respected, it is the fastest available, even today, and in most cases easily beats an iMac Pro and even beats a brand new 2020 Mac Pro (all core counts) unless you need more than 128GB RAM. FCP is a dif story and cores matter much more, but I guarantee you are not editing FCP on a G5 tower claiming it's faster than an i9 iMac?
 
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I suspect that supply chain is struggling with the disease.
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I ordered a maxed out 2019 and am getting it in a few weeks. Got tired of waiting.

My maxed out 2019 i9 was ordered in May and I received an email it was pushed backed to August on its original delivery date of July 2. Three hours later I got an email saying it was in transit for delivery by July 9 and coming from Ireland.

Everyone is saying they come from China but this is the first UK product I’ve had ship from Apple. Weird stuff.
 
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Everyone is saying they come from China but this is the first UK product I’ve had ship from Apple. Weird stuff.

Apple has iMac final assembly factories in China, the United States and Ireland. I have had iMacs assembled in China and the USA. Not yet had an Irish one, as I believe normally that factory is dedicated to the UK and EU, but if the Chinese and US factories are really behind due to COVID, Apple might be using Ireland to help pick up the slack if that facility has the bandwidth.
 
If you're gonna drop 2.5K on an iMac wouldn't it be better to have the latest model even the first version iMac should be far superior to the last intel version?
 
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Couldnot this also be due to the fact that a lot of retail employees are being sent home during store closirs and given iMacs to do Customer service?
Valid hypothesis but would that really be enough people to compete with global market production? Not to mention that I don’t see them getting fresh out of the assembly line ones and more refurbished, repurposed, older but functional (depending on department) ones.
 
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Oh FFS. The last 6 months have been...

“ERMAGRRRRRD SHIPPING DATES SLIPPED NEW IMAC COMING”

“WWDC IMAC COMING”

“AAAAAAARMMMMMM IMAC RAWR”

::Insert inaccurate Jon Prosser tweet here::

“SHIPPING DATES SLIP AGAIN IMAC IMMINENT BUT DON’T BUY NEW ONE COMING LATER SO DONT UPDATE ARMMMMMM”

Ad nauseam.

So over it at this point. I’m probably just going to go Windows... Lol actually no. I’ll just complain, but then rejoice in excitement whenever Apple ends the cockblock of the century and releases a redesigned iMac.
hahah, spot on.
There has been a lot of eye rolling from my part. Aided by the fact that I was invested personally in a new iMac.

And that Prosser guy? I find him such an arrogant-twitter-celebrity wannabe-fame attitude dude from a two seconds glance at his tweets... if he were the least bit useful or have something to share it would be tolerable I guess, but nope, just another punk getting macrumors time and stirring the already turbulent pot.
 
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If you're gonna drop 2.5K on an iMac wouldn't it be better to have the latest model even the first version iMac should be far superior to the last intel version?
That’s a pretty narrow view of the situation.

A LOT of people would be much better off buying the last Intel model. Even if the first ARM version is 20% faster in Geekbench, that does not help you if your software on ARM is buggy as hell, or worse, doesn’t work at all.
 
I'd been holding out for as long as possible, anticipating a redesign in March or at WWDC, but 2011 iMac started failing in December. So I caved and bought a 2019.

I opted for a 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAM. And god, it was not worth the over $2k. The 5K screen is awesome but everything aside from that just feels exactly the same. The performance is really, really disappointing. It stutters under my graphic design and music production workload. It is not smooth.

This is not a fun waiting game... anyone who needs an iMac is getting "DON'T BUY" screamed in their ears but with no real end in sight.
Does everybody have this situation?

In my personal situation I also took the bullet and went 2019 iMac 27” all-in, I feel it’s ultra snappy, responsive and all for FCPX, 3D modeling, substance designer, photoshop, after effects, Unity high end games, Visual Studio Mac, etc... I have them open all together at the same time for 90% of the time (after effects sometimes I close it because it eats away both RAM and storage) plus several other satellite programs (OBS, Zoom, Magnets, Dropover, PureRef with tons of reference images open, Safaris windows&tabs, Compressor, Parallels Desktop, you name it) and others that I just forget to close. The top menu bar is packed.
Two extra TB Displays plus iPad Pro as a fourth screen.
I do sometimes get beachballed on Finder don’t know why yet, but 99.99% of the time the computer is out of my way I feel, but I do worry, another commenter also said that his decade old Mac Pro was as fast as a brand new iMac 19.
I’m coming from a 2014 15” MacBook Pro, so maybe I’m just used to slow? Or maybe it will degrade overtime? Could it be another issue on your side? I would feel ripped too (or will feel ripped soon) if it gets to that stuttering or non-smoothness
 
I’m in the same situation right now. My MacBook Pro 2913 died and I’m looking to get an iMac to work from home with the current situation we’re in but nothing is going on. I don’t know what to do and I need a 32gb ram 😩
A $5k 27” iMac can become $4k if eyeing refurbished.
And if you aim for 8GB of RAM, upgrade yourself an extra 32GB (crucial, Corsair, etc just pick the cheapest) for around $100 the pair of 16GB sticks, getting a total of 40GB... the 32GB you needed plus and extra 8 for 2 more chrome tabs.
 
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Amid rumors and hints of a forthcoming update for the iMac, supplies of Apple's current 27-inch iMac continue to dwindle with mid- and high-end stock configurations now seeing shipping estimates pushed back into September.

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The 27-inch iMac has seen tight supplies and extended shipping estimates for months now, but the situation has been gradually worsening to the point where new buyers can now expect to wait nearly two months to receive their machines.

Rumors of an imminent iMac update date back to March when reliable leaker CoinX indicated that one was coming "soon." A few weeks later, word of a new 23-inch iMac coming in the second half of the year surfaced, while Bloomberg's Mark Gurman noted that a "substantial" iMac refresh potentially including a redesign would be coming later in the year.

As WWDC approached, occasional leaker Sonny Dickson claimed that a redesigned iMac with "iPad Pro design language" would be arriving at the conference, but it failed to materialize, leaving considerable uncertainty about when we should expect an update to arrive.

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MacRumors mockup of an ‌iMac in the style of an iPad Pro‌

Lurking in the background is Apple's transition to Apple Silicon in its Mac lineup, as noted analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has said that a redesigned 24-inch iMac will be one of the first machines to make the move, and Apple announced that the first Apple Silicon-based Macs will be released before the end of the year.

Kuo also said that the current Intel-based iMac will get one more update in the third quarter of this year, which would be between now and the end of September, and we have in fact seen a recent Geekbench benchmark for an apparent unreleased iMac equipped with unreleased Intel Comet Lake-S and AMD graphics processors.

So when will we see the next iMac update? It's hard to say at this point. We've heard no specific rumors of an update coming in the very near future, but with Apple rumored to be releasing an Apple Silicon-based iMac before the end of the year, it would seem this last Intel version should come sooner rather than later. Even a refresh right now would leave a relatively short update cycle unless the Apple Silicon-based iMac coming at the end of the year is intended to be sold alongside Intel-based models during a transition period.

Article Link: Shipping Estimates for 27-Inch iMac Continue to Slip, Now Into September
So why am I seeing a Catalina Screen Graphic and quick delivery on the 21 inch and


Amid rumors and hints of a forthcoming update for the iMac, supplies of Apple's current 27-inch iMac continue to dwindle with mid- and high-end stock configurations now seeing shipping estimates pushed back into September.

imac_27_shipping_september.jpg

The 27-inch iMac has seen tight supplies and extended shipping estimates for months now, but the situation has been gradually worsening to the point where new buyers can now expect to wait nearly two months to receive their machines.

Rumors of an imminent iMac update date back to March when reliable leaker CoinX indicated that one was coming "soon." A few weeks later, word of a new 23-inch iMac coming in the second half of the year surfaced, while Bloomberg's Mark Gurman noted that a "substantial" iMac refresh potentially including a redesign would be coming later in the year.

As WWDC approached, occasional leaker Sonny Dickson claimed that a redesigned iMac with "iPad Pro design language" would be arriving at the conference, but it failed to materialize, leaving considerable uncertainty about when we should expect an update to arrive.

imac_2020_mockup.jpg

MacRumors mockup of an ‌iMac in the style of an iPad Pro‌

Lurking in the background is Apple's transition to Apple Silicon in its Mac lineup, as noted analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has said that a redesigned 24-inch iMac will be one of the first machines to make the move, and Apple announced that the first Apple Silicon-based Macs will be released before the end of the year.

Kuo also said that the current Intel-based iMac will get one more update in the third quarter of this year, which would be between now and the end of September, and we have in fact seen a recent Geekbench benchmark for an apparent unreleased iMac equipped with unreleased Intel Comet Lake-S and AMD graphics processors.

So when will we see the next iMac update? It's hard to say at this point. We've heard no specific rumors of an update coming in the very near future, but with Apple rumored to be releasing an Apple Silicon-based iMac before the end of the year, it would seem this last Intel version should come sooner rather than later. Even a refresh right now would leave a relatively short update cycle unless the Apple Silicon-based iMac coming at the end of the year is intended to be sold alongside Intel-based models during a transition period.

Article Link: Shipping Estimates for 27-Inch iMac Continue to Slip, Now Into September

So why am I seeing in the Apple Store App a Catalina graphic on the basic 21 inch iMac with quick delivery yet every other One has a different - call it squiggly - graphic and long delivery for every other model??? Is this a hint?
 
I’m in the same situation right now. My MacBook Pro 2913 died and I’m looking to get an iMac to work from home with the current situation we’re in but nothing is going on. I don’t know what to do and I need a 32gb ram 😩

my 2012 MBPr 16/768 is still rocking it ... in fact, battery coconut says the ORIGINAL battery is still 92% good ... amazing ... best laptop I've EVER owned!!
 
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Does everybody have this situation?

In my personal situation I also took the bullet and went 2019 iMac 27” all-in, I feel it’s ultra snappy, responsive and all for FCPX, 3D modeling, substance designer, photoshop, after effects, Unity high end games, Visual Studio Mac, etc... I have them open all together at the same time for 90% of the time (after effects sometimes I close it because it eats away both RAM and storage) plus several other satellite programs (OBS, Zoom, Magnets, Dropover, PureRef with tons of reference images open, Safaris windows&tabs, Compressor, Parallels Desktop, you name it) and others that I just forget to close. The top menu bar is packed.
Two extra TB Displays plus iPad Pro as a fourth screen.
I do sometimes get beachballed on Finder don’t know why yet, but 99.99% of the time the computer is out of my way I feel, but I do worry, another commenter also said that his decade old Mac Pro was as fast as a brand new iMac 19.
I’m coming from a 2014 15” MacBook Pro, so maybe I’m just used to slow? Or maybe it will degrade overtime? Could it be another issue on your side? I would feel ripped too (or will feel ripped soon) if it gets to that stuttering or non-smoothness

Don't worry.

There's nothing wrong with your machine. The 2019 iMac was decent if not ground breaking. A fully loaded one will see you deep into this AS transition. And far out class the tin can trash can...or the entry Mac Pro by the sounds of it.

You'll be fine for all the work you mention. No ten year old machine is going to compare with what you have. 3 monitors, iPad as 4th monitor (with Sidecar...)...that's a great set up. If it's 'snappy and responsive' for the work you do. That's the only measurement you need.

It's just now, that's a year and a half out of date (now) for potential buyers.

Azrael.
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That’s a pretty narrow view of the situation.

A LOT of people would be much better off buying the last Intel model. Even if the first ARM version is 20% faster in Geekbench, that does not help you if your software on ARM is buggy as hell, or worse, doesn’t work at all.

You make a good point re: mature INtel iMacs vs '1st mover' AS iMac. One is the end and mature. The other is the beginning and immature.

The both have their pros and cons.

I do think the performance of AS is going to surprise many, though...relative to how great the A12z performs for it's target market. If the AS performs as well (relative to...) I'd expect more than '20%'. And I think that's not just down to 'raw' speed (though some of that will be the case...) but efficiencies of the software stack and the modular co-processor SoC approach. ie. It will be less about Geekbench and more about the overall user experience and certain workflows that could be greatly enhanced if the 'preview' of AS is referenced by the iPad and A12z.

But there will be no shame in a 27 inch Intel iMac with 10 cores and a a 5700 XT (even if it is a year old...) and it will run Intel apps decently and Bootcamp (for those that need it.) A new design would sweeten the deal, though. The new AS iMac shining it's bright light will badly age the Intel iMac boat anchored with dated design.

Azrael.
 
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