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Shirley Manson puts Kanye in his place
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She wasn't a one hit wonder in europe, garbage were really very big around these parts.
They do have about 5 albums y'know
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What is "REAL music" in your opinion exactly?
So we're now assuming vocals ... you know REAL full range soulful vocals is = to anything but hard work? What generation are you born in!?
Don't kid yourself that Kanye West is an *******'ing idiot ... he's a continued successful world renowned producer, rapper/lyricist, and audio engineer and has been for over 2 decades. Even Shirley Manson specifically states so; and rants ONLY at his disrespectful outburst antics NOT his skills nor artistry. You'll also notice even SHE respected Beyonce and not once while standing up for BECK actually put down ANY artist based on their craft, skills, accomplishments nor their abilities in ANY such way! Furthermore not once did she specifically try to state anyone is better than ANYONE! She's not acting like a child such as you are trying to break down the work! Are you a professional musician making millions in the studio working with top ranking peers?! NO, you're not so who are you to state what is more important than another.
you should NEVER try to dispell collaboration as anything BUT skills nor lack of artistry or hardwork! I'd doubt BECK himself would agree with your quote above.
Does anyone recall just how many sales, news coverage and financial deals the last time Kanye publicly disrespected an artist at the award shows? How much of each above did that last artist thrive in and how significant was it thereafter his antics?!
Anyone else notice that same previous artist just a few years back also was wearing a very similar red dress as Beyonce?!
Something tells me Kanye's antics have a specific alterior motive that actually somehow benefits him in the whole interweb chatter about his antics towards any artist and then it's suspicious if it's a WIN WIN. I'm VERY curious if my suspicions are even remotely accurate/related here.
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This made me go out and buy Beck's album. Thanks Kanye.
P.S. I like Garbage too.
That's exactly what I'm thinking this will lead to and curious if somehow someway Kanye benefits in popularity with one group while gaining notoriety with another (boosting the former group of people ever higher still). Does he gain financially as well with such a decision as yours above if followed by just say 10million in each country alone?
Music is no longer about selling music and a show ... it's more about selling an image, a brand which makes you continue forward for collaborations, deals, longevity ... Katy Perry knew this from the start and it's done her great success.
*APPLAUSE*
Well said, I actually think Beyonce is a talented vocalist indeed. Not a fan, but gotta give credit where it is due.
She wasn't a one hit wonder in europe, garbage were really very big around these parts.
They do have about 5 albums y'know
Well, Johnny Halliday and Nena are also still big in Europe, or so I'm told.
Well, Johnny Halliday and Nena are also still big in Europe, or so I'm told.
I have no idea who either of those people are
I have no idea who either of those people are
Remember "99 Luftballons" from the 80s? That was Nena. Johnny Halliday is some French rock star from the 70s who is still going strong. I saw him in a French film a few years ago and he was pretty good. He may have transitioned into acting.
She wasn't a one hit wonder in europe, garbage were really very big around these parts.
They do have about 5 albums y'know
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What is "REAL music" in your opinion exactly?
The music made after the 90's totally blows in my opinion. I'm not asking you you to agree with me. Let's leave it at that...
Well, Johnny Halliday and Nena are also still big in Europe, or so I'm told.
music markets can be quite different as can be best seen at germany(and the attached swiss/austrian markets) or japan
All beyonce's albums all hit #1 in the US .. but in Germany ? #1,#5,#17,#5,#11
Nena's last 5: #2,#2,#6,#3,#2
in the US Kanye West's last 6 Studio albums hit the #1 spot in the charts.
In germany he managed a #2 _once_ .. the other 5 were #10 or lower
Katy Perry last 3 albums managed positions #7 #5 #4 (but stayed in the charts forever).
Taylor swift ? #4 and #5 .. the others were #10+
The vomit inducing disaster that is Helene Fischer ?
#5, #2, #2,#1, #1
"Worst" Offender in Germany ? Grönemeyer with 10 #1 Albums in a row since 1984
This made me go out and buy Beck's album. Thanks Kanye.
Yes, this has certainly raised Beck's profile.
And I like Garbage too! Not sure about the name however.
By nature I would argue that music is just sounds in an order, different strokes for different folks
Funny how the Recording Academy President thought that it was an unpredictable fun moment of live television. However if Kanye West is going to berate winners everytime someone beats Beyonce it's going to go from unpredictable to boringly predictable pretty quick. Good on Shirley Manson for having an opinion.
I am just waiting for South Park to do an episode with Kanye interrupting every scene. While there is no doubt he has some talent, I consider him nothing more than a self absorbed polished turd "show man."
As for Beyonce, she is quite an amazing vocalist who doesn't need Kanye's blather to further her popularity or as a wannabe PR front man.
Candidly, I think there were several albums that could have won and this time, it was Beck who made the grade (and deserved it).
As for Beyonce, she is quite an amazing vocalist who doesn't need Kanye's blather to further her popularity or as a wannabe PR front man.
Candidly, I think there were several albums that could have won and this time, it was Beck who made the grade (and deserved it).
And I like Garbage too! Not sure about the name however.
Love Garbage (the band
) and love the name 
I wrote and sang EVERY song on my own album and played EVERY instrument and produced it and mastered it and did 100% of the work with ZERO other people working on it. But since I'm independent I don't even get noticed by the industry or anyone else for that matter. Talent, ability and "artistry" doesn't mean JACK in the music industry. Looking like a super model and making the moguls tons of MONEY is the ONLY thing that matters. Do you seriously believe Taylor Swift or Katy Perry (or Beyonce for that matter) would be as popular as they are today if they weren't as attractive looking as they are? I'm not saying they don't have talent, but I'm saying the days of someone like Janice Joplin being able to make it in the music industry are over.
Music once upon a time used to be about MUSIC, not appearance, dance, videos, modeling, etc. No more. Good luck attracting REAL talent these days as the price of getting into the industry is IMAGE, not music. Anyone who has to use Autotune to make a song is lacking somewhere. I may not have perfect vocals in one take, but the nice thing about something like Logic Pro is you can do as many takes as required to get it right, even without Autotune. Even so there are degrees of Autotune. People who can't sing a single word in tune are the ones who sound like a teenager cracking voice with that crap. Oddly, the person going on about "artistry" uses it quite a lot. Go figure.
Ironically, groups from yesteryear like Pink Floyd are the few that COULD sell out stadiums today. The music industry screamed about pirating ruining the industry. I maintain it never had much to do with piracy. It had to do with a shift from rock into other genres the industry wanted to promote and they are simply too fragmented and too unpopular in general to attract mass audiences in the same fashion as huge groups from the 60s through early 90s. The record industry doesn't even want to promote rock anymore. It's "passe" and yet NOTHING ELSE EVER attracted the audiences that rock did.
Love Garbage (the band
Well, I suppose it's a conversation starter: "I love Garbage!"
Beck Hansen is cool. His mom was an Andy Warhol model :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibbe_Hansen
that is all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibbe_Hansen
that is all.
Beck Hansen is cool. His mom was an Andy Warhol model :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibbe_Hansen
that is all.
Holt crap, I didn't know that. Thanks.
Did Kanye West act like to jerk (again) in this instance?
Undoubtedly. It was ungracious - at the best. Downright rude and disrespectful, most likely.
But lets keep it in perspective: Nobody really got hurt by this. Beck himself handled this incident with class - and probably ended up selling a few more of his own albums courtesy of the controversy. Beyonce is probably the last person in the world to feel sorry for. And - despite acting like a fool - Kanye West is still a pretty amazing performer with a stellar career.
There are a lot more important issues to get worked up about: Kanye West ought to think about this - and so should the people getting upset by Kanye's rudeness.
Undoubtedly. It was ungracious - at the best. Downright rude and disrespectful, most likely.
But lets keep it in perspective: Nobody really got hurt by this. Beck himself handled this incident with class - and probably ended up selling a few more of his own albums courtesy of the controversy. Beyonce is probably the last person in the world to feel sorry for. And - despite acting like a fool - Kanye West is still a pretty amazing performer with a stellar career.
There are a lot more important issues to get worked up about: Kanye West ought to think about this - and so should the people getting upset by Kanye's rudeness.