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Should Apple Continue to Ban Rival Browser Engines on iOS?
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You’re already understand his pint by the fact you’re using Android
Meaning you’re supporting your choice for other browser engines.
BS.
I want the best browsers I can get for each platform. I have that on all but Apple.
Not sure what you are trying to point out. These are iOS/iPadOS version (currently on 15.4b4) unless you are saying that each OS update included a full Safari/WebKit update?
Someone didn’t read the thread apparently.
This might help: https://httptoolkit.tech/blog/safari-is-killing-the-web/
Um … what I stated was my interpretation of what @citysnaps stated to you earlier.
My interpretation is not BS.
The fact you have multiple platforms and both of the top or only smartphone platforms and able to use browsers with their own engines on your Android is not BS.
Nobody stated you could on iOS.
You want browsers with their own engines on iOS - that’s valid and I’m not telling you, nor saying to you your want/need is BS, so why state my interpretation is?
Your opinion of the restriction or feelings of the restrictions as being BS is perfectly valid. If you don’t agree with my interpretation of what @citysnaps stated ok say so but saying my interpretation of what he stated as BS when you don’t agree is a bit off.
No, I did not read the thread. why would I do that? Thank you, this helps me understand. My conclusion after reading that is that typical apple being typical apple, not new nor surprising. Yes a little annoying I see that. Still not on the open iOS bandwagon though. In a world where security and privacy technology is more important than ever, I like apples safe than sorry approach & I am glad there is that option in the marketplace despite its obvious faults
Do we blame Microsoft for creating the idea of browser lock-in with Internet Explorer (claiming "IE is part of operating system", encouraging creation of websites that only work in IE), or do we blame Apple for doing today what they complained about Microsoft doing back then?
And to be clear: Are the people who are defending Apple's position ok if Google does the same thing with Chromium on Android?
And to be clear: Are the people who are defending Apple's position ok if Google does the same thing with Chromium on Android?
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I was trying to make sense of the intervals of when they really call a new version of webkit was being introduced. I though each version of iOS/IPadOS was associated with that, but the documentation of webkit site is not all that great. They are discussing what being used with each Developer Technical preview with is associated with is link against each number.
Examples Safari Technical Preview is covered by webkit revisions 287834-288438, and 139 is covered by webkit revisions 286944-287834.
But then they don't bother to write articles about whats new with webkit against each iOS/iPadOS public release on their Webkit blog.
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Google already forced OEMs to pre install Chrome as part of Android/GMS certification. That’s the same with Microsoft and IE back then. People can install other browsers on Windows, but Microsoft still got anti trust on them. I’m really surprised why Google gets a free pass despite them controlling browser AND search engine market share.
Since iOS is not the majority of mobile browser market share, I can see Apple’s perspective. Most iPhone users that I know who are not Mac users are using Chrome in their iPhones since that’s what they think when they want an internet browser.
Because browsers tries to be universal and aren't OS-specific. They often don't respect the UI of the OS. They often don't tie into the OS as native apps.
One example is Chrome isn't using KeyChain.
I'm perfectly happy with that. I would have no problem with Google refusing all Apple apps on Android or all third-party apps for that matter.
I would be very happy if Google also started to take 30% on all transactions on Android including for physical items and physical services.
Most people I know use Firefox on the Mac, simply because they patch faster have better API's for the likes of uBlock Origin which is not only ad blocker but phishing crypto mining etc and uses very little memory. Also I can if I have to use Facebook (I have friends that use it and I like to keep in touch and they dont all have iPhones or live in my own country any more) I can put Facebrick in a sandbox with Mozillas Facebook container which also blocks facebook buttons (they get you even if you are not a user) and are all over the web. Now WebKit is not updated or patched that much, I find it clumsy and many sites just don't like it. Wipr does a good job blocking stuff but I would like to have Firefox's engine on iOS along with U Block or Privacy Badger or Ghostery. I wonder how 'safe' iOS would be if WebKit did not control almost everything, Apple are getting lax on security at times and more people in the security world are pointing that out, its not all about isn't my iPhone so pretty and premium thats just marketing bs. Maybe Apple on macOS and all its derivatives should provide protection like MS and give the users more freedom possibly?
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Sucks how? And explain what is better on other browsers? I use safari, chromium (edge) and Firefox daily across multiple devices and currently it’s only build 97 of Firefox I’m having any issues with whatsoever. I have zero issues on iOS on iPad or iPhone.
It is perhaps true for the mis-definition of "standards" that people often use when complaining about Safari not supporting various things. A prime example is not supporting some WICG document like WebUSB, which are not only not actually standards but not tracked to ever become standards.
These "standards" are often Chromium-only, and not for lack of engineering resources by vendors - there are often position papers by multiple browser vendors against them.
The reality is that many people who complain about Safari not supporting an API typically are not saying "Safari and Firefox", because they have no intention of supporting Firefox. They also wouldn't support Safari at all if they had the ability to tell iOS users to download and install Chrome.
IMHO, "PWA" is a thing Google dreamed up to describe having a website also act as an app experience for ChromeOS. Of course, Google has had reduced motivation to pursue more of these sort of API lately as they added an Android compatibility system to ChromeOS.
Apple is only trying to protect it's customers. But it's coming at the expense of speed and efficiency now. Hence the reason I use FF (that and it has narrow tabs - 
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So people think that opening up the restrictions on sideloading and webkit will solve all of these problems? Nope. They'll just create new ones. And I hope Apple will still sell the locked-down iPhones.
).So people think that opening up the restrictions on sideloading and webkit will solve all of these problems? Nope. They'll just create new ones. And I hope Apple will still sell the locked-down iPhones.
To be clear:
There have been between 7-9 Safari releases a year for the last five years that I checked.
Microsoft seems to be running about 9-10 releases a year.
Mozilla and Google have monthly releases, so 12 a year.
So they have fewer releases, but IMHO not dramatically so.
Apples to oranges. Having an open platform like Windows means you can't later say "except for this new market we want to dominate". iOS has never been an open app platform.
Microsoft was also called to court for many more non-technical limitations and retaliations, such as refusing to give OEMs advance copies of Windows for testing if they shipped Netscape.
Really the only example Apple has been dinged with on iOS was for forbidding the use of MDM for monitoring people (e.g. primarily in the name of parental control apps, but really these allowed all sorts of other dark patterns).
They rolled out the parental features before they rolled out API to allow those existing apps to administer them or surface the underlying collected metadata, so there were indeed regulatory questions asked at the time.
Lol, is there any apple apps on android? xD
No need for google to ban them considering apple doesn’t make them anyway
If you think Apple doesn't get it, then why are you still using an iPhone?
Being like macOS is equitable to be like Android, where sideloading are allowed.
If iOS cuks big time on big screens, why did you spend that much money on an iPad Pro?
I mean the fact that you gave Apple your hard-earned cash mean something for Apple, that whatever they are doing is selling.
Agree. Google forcing every Android OEM to pre-install Chrome to get Android/GMS certification imo is worse, as Android is the huge majority in mobile.
Thus ironically, Apple's "anti-competitive" behavior of locking Safari rendering engine in iOS is actually the only competing force against Google's Chromium dominance.
Chrome has literally become the new IE. Many corporate and government websites now require Chrome for full compatibility. Pretty much all Windows users I know use Chrome, and all iPhone users that don't have/use Macs also use Chrome on their iPhones.
Quicker isn’t better. Quicker is just quicker.
People also complain that Apple’s OSes get upgraded every year, and that it’s too frequent and leads to quality issues.
Not everything has to happen at a drug-induced pace.
Google doesn't need to. Due to Chrome's brand dominance on desktops, and the fact that all Android phones with GMS must have Chrome pre-installed, huge majority of Android users won't be using other browsers anyway.
On my Samsung devices, even the Samsung internet browser was an optional install, but Chrome is pre-installed and cannot be uninstalled. Sure, I can install other browsers (and I do), but most consumers won't bother with the defaults.
To be honest I love Safari and for my needs there is no better browser. Its the fastest and most resource friendly browser I know. Chrome, Firefox or Edge on Mac OS are just not as smooth and fast for me. And to tell you another truth I love the new Taskbar design of Safari, gives more space for the content of the website and looks more modern and attractive. Might be just me but never had the urge to upgrade to another browser. And on top I am a sucker for Apples privacy protection with iCloud Relay and Add Tracking and all that stuff.
This is a public forum, no need to make personal attacks/insults.If you think Apple doesn't get it, then why are you still using an iPhone?
Being like macOS is equitable to be like Android, where sideloading are allowed.
If iOS cuks big time on big screens, why did you spend that much money on an iPad Pro?
I mean the fact that you gave Apple your hard-earned cash mean something for Apple, that whatever they are doing is selling.
Also what you're essentially saying is that no one should buy something if they don't like any single aspect of it.
The products are good but they can be better, and what is the harm in voicing my opinions on these matters?
Look at the responses on my comment. I'm not the only one facing these issues.