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Should i buy 2017 MBP or wait for 2018 MBP?

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DaveMike11

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Hello guys,

I'm looking to buy my first Macbook Pro 15" . All these years (15 yrs) i have been only using windows computers so far. This time i decided to jump into mac. I have been reading in this forums about the features to be added in the 2018 Macbook Pro Line up. This brings up a common question in this forum. Should I wait now and buy the 2018 Macbook Pro or should I buy the current 2017 Macbook Pro? Is it worth to wait for the new features that might be available in the 2018 models ? Will there be any major refresh in the 2018 models ?

Pls share your inputs. Thanks for your time.
 
Not this again. If you NEED one now, then get it. If you dont NEED one, then wait until 2018 because theyll probably be updated and better. Don't think there will be any major update for the 15" MBP, unlike 13" which may get quad core CPU. Thats it, nothing else.
 
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I agree this question is a personal choice. I jumped into this forum to get some inputs before ordering one. The common complaint i read in this forum is the keyboard issue. Being a first time Mac user i want to get it right since its lot of money to purchase this Macbook.

Thanks in advance,
 
bhatiak said:
Not this again. If you NEED one now, then get it. If you dont NEED one, then wait until 2018 because theyll probably be updated and better. Don't think there will be any major update for the 15" MBP, unlike 13" which may get quad core CPU. Thats it, nothing else.
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I disagree with that.

The new 15" should get the new hex core processor. Intel will use same techniques in chip designed coupled to power manage that has enabled them to put 4 cores into the 15 and 28W processors used in the 13". The Intel roadmap has 6 cores in the 45W processor used in 15" MBPs.

Check out this article, https://www.anandtech.com/show/1207...on-processor-lists-leaked-coffee-lake-refresh . Scroll down to the Coffee Lake-H 45W mobile processors and review the i7 processors.
 
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DaveMike11 said:
I agree this question is a personal choice. I jumped into this forum to get some inputs before ordering one. The common complaint i read in this forum is the keyboard issue. Being a first time Mac user i want to get it right since its lot of money to purchase this Macbook.

Thanks in advance,
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The issue is more with last years model, I have both 2016 with touch bar and 2017 without tb. The 2016 model suffers from sticky keys. But, the 2017 doesn’t have this issue at all.
 
bhatiak said:
Not this again. If you NEED one now, then get it. If you dont NEED one, then wait until 2018 because theyll probably be updated and better. Don't think there will be any major update for the 15" MBP, unlike 13" which may get quad core CPU. Thats it, nothing else.
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When in 2018?
 
DaveMike11 said:
I agree this question is a personal choice. I jumped into this forum to get some inputs before ordering one. The common complaint i read in this forum is the keyboard issue. Being a first time Mac user i want to get it right since its lot of money to purchase this Macbook.

Thanks in advance,
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I have the 2017 TB and it works great. I can't see what they bring out in 2018 being any better really. If you need one now get one now.
 
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How will you use the computer? (i.e., what type of performance attributes do you need for your workload?)

How much do you need a computer right now? (i.e., if you wait for the next release and it doesn't come out until mid or late 2018, will that harm your productivity in the meantime?)
 
13" quad core CPU will not give you so much other that benchmark,
the current 8250U is highly restricted by lower core frequency and lower graphic performance,
as Intel tuned for better result on those short term multi thread run benchmark for marketing.
The bad news is most PC laptop use some design of 2 core and can not withstand of 4 core and make the system very hot and the result is not real smoother that older CPU.

MacBook Pro use Iris with 64MB L4 cache, the GPU is easily use of more power that CPU, if use 4 core on current design, simply make the machine hotter and hotter, reduce battery performance, fan noisily, and reduce the GPU performance.
 
evec said:
13" quad core CPU will not give you so much other that benchmark,
the current 8250U is highly restricted by lower core frequency and lower graphic performance,
as Intel tuned for better result on those short term multi thread run benchmark for marketing.
The bad news is most PC laptop use some design of 2 core and can not withstand of 4 core and make the system very hot and the result is not real smoother that older CPU.

MacBook Pro use Iris with 64MB L4 cache, the GPU is easily use of more power that CPU, if use 4 core on current design, simply make the machine hotter and hotter, reduce battery performance, fan noisily, and reduce the GPU performance.
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Just not true the quad core 15w and 28w processors and the hex core 45w processors will have the same thermal output as the dual cores and quad cores currently being used, heat and noise should not change at all.
 
Jony Ive said he is listening to all the complaints about the current model and he is gonna fix them. So, wait until 2018, which promises even more performance, better keyboard travel and possibly the return of a couple more practical ports like an SD Card reader and magsafe.
 
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Just not true the quad core 15w and 28w processors and the hex core 45w processors will have the same thermal output as the dual cores and quad cores currently being used, heat and noise should not change at all.
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Unfortunately TDP is some but more core require much more power, power =/= TDP.
 
evec said:
Unfortunately TDP is some but more core require much more power, power =/= TDP.
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No they have the same thermal limits as before that is the wattage if they created more heat they would use more power and therefore have a higher wattage rating.
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Mr. Dee said:
Jony Ive said he is listening to all the complaints about the current model and he is gonna fix them. So, wait until 2018, which promises even more performance, better keyboard travel and possibly the return of a couple more practical ports like an SD Card reader and magsafe.
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He is listening, what you consider a complaint may well be a complete non issue to many users and so they listened and decide that keeping it the sameness is what people want. I am afraid if you think most people want bigger thicker legacy ports and performance of a desktop, then you are sorely mistaken about what 95% of people use their laptop for.
 
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Samuelsan2001 said:
No they have the same thermal limits as before that is the wattage if they created more heat they would use more power and therefore have a higher wattage rating.
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Not true, as kabylake-r four core use more (2x)CPU power that kabylake / skylake two core, thermal limits =/= power, especially for short term (like benchmark), It just heat removal design spec.

The Kabylake CPU 15W in MacBook Pro Ntb currently peek use up to 40W for CPU Core, more that 70W for GPU core, 5W for EDRAM, not included the PCH/SA, TDP only a reference design for laptop manufacture, and NTB can hold more that 20W in long term CPU running.
 
DaveMike11 said:
Hello guys,

I'm looking to buy my first Macbook Pro 15" . All these years (15 yrs) i have been only using windows computers so far. This time i decided to jump into mac. I have been reading in this forums about the features to be added in the 2018 Macbook Pro Line up. This brings up a common question in this forum. Should I wait now and buy the 2018 Macbook Pro or should I buy the current 2017 Macbook Pro? Is it worth to wait for the new features that might be available in the 2018 models ? Will there be any major refresh in the 2018 models ?

Pls share your inputs. Thanks for your time.
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Dave it all depends on your needs. If you need it at this moment don't bother to wait, just go and pick it up. With a Mac you can't go wrong. I recently picked the 2017 Macbook Pro 15 and am now wondering why I hesitated and took so much time to decide. The Macbook is an amazing computer and there's no way you won't like it. You need to figure out your exact needs in terms of what hardware, storage, memory etc and make the right choice. Cheers.
 
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evec said:
Not true, as kabylake-r four core use more (2x)CPU power that kabylake / skylake two core, thermal limits =/= power, especially for short term (like benchmark), It just heat removal design spec.

The Kabylake CPU 15W in MacBook Pro Ntb currently peek use up to 40W for CPU Core, more that 70W for GPU core, 5W for EDRAM, not included the PCH/SA, TDP only a reference design for laptop manufacture, and NTB can hold more that 20W in long term CPU running.
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And this is all controlled by turbo boost and will work exactly as it does currently, you have still provided no reason for me to believe that it will be any hotter on a quad core rated the same way.
 
I read all the hating and was shocked to actually love the new keyboard. I like it on the laptop as much as my ancient clicky-click wired keyboard on my imac. My kids make fun of me for not using one of our 3 bluetooth keyboards.
 
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