Should I cancel my MBP 2016 order and buy mid-2015

[raqball]

Buy it if you can afford it, otherwise stick with whatever fits your budget. Just don't listen to all the naysayers who haven't even used the damn thing.

Another smug remark about the people who are complaining simply can't afford the new machine? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and false!

The problem is that many of the complaints are from people who do in fact have the new machines. I have the 2016 TB and it's probably going back for a 2015....

 

[philosopherdog]

People are so irrational. It's a redesign. Pain always comes with new designs. I have the 2012 retina first of its kind. Thing was a POS until I had 2 screens replaced. Even now I get occasional GPU lockups. Most of these problems were solved in next gen. If you don't want early adopter pain, which always happens, then stay with the old design. The 2015 is a great machine. The new ones are risky. Most of the issues are most likely software issues aside from ports. Ports could be a barrier for professional photographers but the average person is not going to be bothered. Every machine is a compromise. Apple doesn't like building fat hot machines that you can't speak over because the fans are blasting. Running cool is essential as is it being portable. To make existing designs slimmer they simply cannot include USB. That's a compromise they have to make. Watch everyone else follow. It's always the same. There's the wailing and ranting and then they sell zillions iterate as they go. The ranting has always been there no matter what Apple does.

 

[boateng]

Umm no...
I don't use any of the legacy ports on my computers and haven't for several years now. So you can scratch off the number and type of ports and SD card slot. The battery life is about the same regardless of machine for me. I was thinking the 2016 MacBook Pros would be an improvement in battery life but it's the same. MagSafe I never thought was a great idea to begin with because it had significant downsides such as the wear and tear on MagSafe is really bad as you had to wrap it around the brick and it would get frayed at the edges causing fires.

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/32763806/some-apple-laptop-users-complain-of-cords-melting

I "literally" don't care about a gimmicky glowing Apple logo that does nothing at all and I love the keyboard.

So you can put down your own kool-aid and stop living in your own bubble and realize why the new MacBook Pros are selling like hotcakes.

anything new by apple will sell 'like hotcakes'.
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I've been waiting so much for this refresh because I'm using my old 2009 17" MacBook Pro.
I've been confused that I placed like 7 orders between 2015 and 2016 and cancelled all of them. I've read so much about the new MacBook Pros that probably I've been influenced by people having issues but I guess some of these are real especially the battery life and I could not accept to pay 4000 € for a buggy machine.
Also, I've used the Iphone 7 plus for 1 week and I miss so much the headphone jack. I'm so bothered to use the adaptor that constantly I don't have with me.
I sincerely don't want to live this transitional period on every device that I own.
I personally would only buy the new 13" Non TouchBar which I find the best deal as a primary or secondary machine.
But since I need a bigger screen and more power I went for a 15" 2015 2.8 ghz, 1 TB with Iris Pro (don't need the GPU) from the Apple Store with educational discount and saved money, patience and time.

how much did it cost you?

 

[sunapple]

Another smug remark about the people who are complaining simply can't afford the new machine? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and false!

The problem is that many of the complaints are from people who do in fact have the new machines. I have the 2016 TB and it's probably going back for a 2015....

Read it again, I was saying that you should buy whatever fits your budget. And needs obviously. I think the differences aren't that big performance wise.

I really do believe that if you bought it and want to trade it in for the older model, you probably didn't think it all the way through. You can find out pretty much anything you want before you buy.

 

[raqball]

I really do believe that if you bought it and want to trade it in for the older model, you probably didn't think it all the way through. You can find out pretty much anything you want before you buy.

Lol blame the end user and not the manufacturer... Typical...

 

[sunapple]

Lol blame the end user and not the manufacturer... Typical...

Lots of valid reasons why a product wouldn't meet your expectations, that's fine. But some controversial decisions on this machine don't work for everyone and then you can just get the older model. Like if you really need an optical drive, a year ago you could get the 2012 13" MBP. Mostly very specific use cases, I imagine. Might be completely wrong, just my thoughts.

Why do you think about returning yours?

 

[AdonisSMU]

Another smug remark about the people who are complaining simply can't afford the new machine? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and false!

The problem is that many of the complaints are from people who do in fact have the new machines. I have the 2016 TB and it's probably going back for a 2015....

clearly you must be in the camp that simply cant afford it...because who cares if you can or cant afford it. I know I buy whats in my budget and needs without regards to what others are saying.
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anything new by apple will sell 'like hotcakes'.
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how much did it cost you?

Why didnt the last several macbooks sell like hotcakes?

 

[TiT38]

Please cancel your order of 2016 MacBook.
The one I am waiting for will then be delivered (slightly) faster

 

[raqball]

clearly you must be in the camp that simply cant afford it...because who cares if you can or cant afford it. I know I buy whats in my budget and needs without regards to what others are saying.

Yawn...........

Newsflash.... I retired at 45 years old and it was not because I squandered money.. It's not about IF someone can afford it and in most cases my guess is it's IF they see the value.. I can easily afford it but that's not the question now is it? Unless you are trying to discredit someone for some odd internet keyboard commando reason..

I can afford a lot of things I do not buy.. I can afford to walk into a dealership right now and pay cash for a car but I won't because the one I have now does the speed limit just fine and gets me where I need to go..

No wonder most in this day and age are one to two paychecks away from being homeless... And that's a proven fact BTW..

I have not decided if this will be a bonus - special treat to me purchase or not yet.. The value is certainly NOT there when compared to the 2015 but I like it well enough and I might overlook it's lack of value and keep it..

Do most of us a favor and take the smug, I am better than you and have more money than you attitude and keep it to yourself.. You know absolutely nothing about the people you accuse of being broke bums..

 

[zackkmac]

That's an awesome deal, where did you get it from?

I got it from eBay, the seller is techrecommerce I believe. They had 2-3 other ones just like it when I bought mine.

 

[raqball]

Went to a friends house tonight who has a 13" 2015 and brought my 2016 TB to compare and play. After about an hour of back and forth I've decided to keep my TB..

Why?

Better screen
I really like the keyboard on the new machines
I really like the large trackpad on the new machines

That's it and those 3 are the reasons I am keeping it. If you don't care for the new KB and / or trackpad then you'd be well served to take a serious look at the 2015's..

The screen on the new machine is better but it's not so much better that would justify the price difference.

Good luck all no matter what you decide..

 

[fpenta]

anything new by apple will sell 'like hotcakes'.
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how much did it cost you?

€ 2900 with educational discount

 

[MH01]

^^ Agree!

It's an excuse and while USB C only in the new machines does not really bother me that much the loss of the SD card slot does.. I generally keep an SD card inserted 24/7...

Yeah, my 2016 base TB is getting about 6 hours...

The 2015 models are indeed selling like hotcakes! I often check the Apple refurbished section for deals and there are no 13" 2015's to be found = out of stock! As soon as Apple posts them they are gone! If you want a 2015 refurbished you need to check Apples site a few times a day and then get lucky... The 2016's selling like hotcakes? Not so much...

Same here got a 2016 and battery life is meh, at the same time I bought a 2015 2.8 1TB refurb, value for money the 2015 is much much better, so need to decide which to return
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Disagree... If something is selling like hotcakes that infers you can't get it or have a hard time getting it.. That new Nintendo game emulation system? Yup, that's selling like hotcakes.. The 2016 MBP? Nope, not when you can walk in the store and back out 5 minutes later with one in hand..

Apple product launches these days are like nightclub lines, from the outside they look really popular cause of long lines, though few people are inside

Though cynical I don't remember the last apple product that was stocked in any meningful manner at launch....

 

[Wakey87433]

The complaints about the ports seem crazy to me. Is it a little annoying having to use dongles right now? Yes it is but in the long run its better. The thing thats often held computing back is legacy ports/devices. They get included because of backwards compatibility but that holds the market back because there is little incentive to those producing peripherals to go to the cutting edge. Just look how long floppy drives stuck around, when I was at Uni between 2000-03 we were still required to hand all our projects in on 3.5 inch floppies usually meaning having to make multi part archives split across multiple disks even though there had been plenty of improved disk types with higher storage and we had written CD's and DVD's at that point because PC manufactures kept including floppy drives and if they also included something else it wasn't common and there were often completing standards (with optical discs you had the whole + and - versions and not all drives could read both)

And look at how many USB devices still go with USB2 rather than even going USB3, thats absolutely crazy. We need more companies than currently do to go all in on moving forward rather than keeping a foot in the past, Apple doing this is going to really push people to make more USB-C/TB3 devices and the sales are going to be higher which is only going to bring the prices down. In a year or so's time we will be sitting here thinking it was a good move much like them removing optical drives was seen as a step forward.

The only thing perhaps that I would have left in terms of legacy was the SD card reader as we don't really have a and something better yet outside maybe directly connecting the camera but that has limits as you can't keep using the camera while transferring the images. I would have also maybe included a lightning port so atleast the lightning headphones they are pushing for the iphone would work on the device, perhaps with a headphone jack on one side and the lightning on the other. They also should have included a couple of dongles in the box at the price point

 

[sziehr]

People are so irrational. It's a redesign. Pain always comes with new designs. I have the 2012 retina first of its kind. Thing was a POS until I had 2 screens replaced. Even now I get occasional GPU lockups. Most of these problems were solved in next gen. If you don't want early adopter pain, which always happens, then stay with the old design. The 2015 is a great machine. The new ones are risky. Most of the issues are most likely software issues aside from ports. Ports could be a barrier for professional photographers but the average person is not going to be bothered. Every machine is a compromise. Apple doesn't like building fat hot machines that you can't speak over because the fans are blasting. Running cool is essential as is it being portable. To make existing designs slimmer they simply cannot include USB. That's a compromise they have to make. Watch everyone else follow. It's always the same. There's the wailing and ranting and then they sell zillions iterate as they go. The ranting has always been there no matter what Apple does.

So apple could have included both regular USB and SD in the design. They decided to not. That is A-Ok but it is a design choice not a technical limit. The same is said for the notion they wanted to shed weight and were ok with risking the battery life of the machine. That is a design choice. They could have refreshed the looks of the machine and kept a 99 watt hour battery and the weight up had they wanted to.

The technical limits are like ddr4 in low power applications thanks intel for being a fail bate.
The fact that intel also failed to produce a GPU in the Y series that could handle 2 5k displays AKA 5 spatial streams.
So it is a mixed bag of apple deciding they were on with some risks on the design like thinness and keyboard and battery life and Intel not coming up with the right chip blend to suit apples very narrow design requirements.

If you see a Y series chip with high Gflop graphics and low power modes it is destined for the MacBook 100% guarantee. The issue is intel almost stopped making those chips. They threw there hands up when it came to shoe horning graphics into them for some reason. They also could not get a ddr4 north bridge on the die for some reason. Intel promises for realz next time they will make the deadline for the next version which also will lack a DDR4 controller in the Y series and also have very little in the way of graphics. The release after that coffee lake will have ddr4 on the north bridge and a GPU that could push 5 spatial streams. That is 2018 at the very earliest so WWDC 2018. I suspect we will see a Kabby lake bump end of next year. This will not bring a non dedicated GPU 15 however. The road map for apple is public knowledge at this point and it is 100% tied to how well intel does.

I get this very strange feeling apple is sick of this. The last time they got sick of this they moved on. So if I was intel I would be some what worried apple will take there ball and move to all ARM. That could be just the push Microsoft has been waiting for to divorce intel. But this is all some what out in the future. I however can see both companies driving hard toward a non X86 platform. Apple will do it with fat binaries and that is something Microsoft is currently working up. they just this week announced X86 32 bit emulation on arm. So the ship in red mound is turning she is just a large vessel and slow to turn. Will intel be ready when they get steam behind it who knows. Apple sure will be so will TSMC.

 

[ClemTiger0408]

Can someone give me advice? I am looking to upgrade from a 2010 MacBook Air and was thinking about going Pro just so I don't have a hard time editing my personal family photos (this is about the only "Pro" thing that I do). I also just want a machine that can last for 4ish years. My Air has slowed down tremendously and is becoming a pain to use.

I am considering three machines:
2015 MacBook Pro Refurb 2.7GHz 256SSD - $1,189
2015 MacBook Pro Refurb 2.9GHz 512SSD - $1,439
2016 MacBook Pro (non-touch bar) - $1,499

The only reasons I'm considering the 2016 is for the lighter weight/smaller footprint (I'm used to my MacBook Air size and weight) and the better graphics card, simply for longevity.

How much faster is the 2.9GHz vs the 2.7Ghz? Is it worth the $250 (I know it also has 512GB SSD but 256 should be enough for me)? Should I just go for the $1,189 version?

 

[Naimfan]

If you don't need the storage, just get the 2015 2.7/8/256 and invest the difference in a 401K.

 

[sziehr]

I am so smitten with the 13 non touch bar that I am seriously considering returning the 15 I have for it. This is one seriously amazing machine. I just wished the touch bar 15 was this good

 

[tivoboy]

I just picked up a mid-2015 model, from 2016 with the 2.8, 1TB, full warranty for 2190$ shipped. This is an apple refurb machine but for the money I figured it was better for me at least than the 2016 model.

 

[thadoggfather]

I am so smitten with the 13 non touch bar that I am seriously considering returning the 15 I have for it. This is one seriously amazing machine. I just wished the touch bar 15 was this good

What in particular? Just not liking the touchbar or also the 15" footprint?

I love my nTB, way more than I thought I would have.

Blows away my rMB keyboard in tactileness, but I like my rMB keyboard too

 

[matthewh133]

I did. I got a refurb mid 2015 15", 2.5ghz/16gb/512gb/M370X for $1801 with shipping and tax included. Couldn't turn up that offer.

 

[raqball]

What in particular? Just not liking the touchbar or also the 15" footprint?

I love my nTB, way more than I thought I would have.

Blows away my rMB keyboard in tactileness, but I like my rMB keyboard too

I am also considering returning my TB for a nTB base..

My TB freaks out fairly often and I get icons on top of icons if that description makes sense... The 2 ports on the nTB is a killer tough.. Don't know if I can deal with 2 ports....

On top of that, my TB has graphic issues at log in....

 

[WhiteWhaleHolyGrail]

I am also considering returning my TB for a nTB base..

My TB freaks out fairly often and I get icons on top of icons if that description makes sense... The 2 ports on the nTB is a killer tough.. Don't know if I can deal with 2 ports....

On top of that, my TB has graphic issues at log in....

In the space of two days you've decided to return the TB due to software issues (despite liking the hardware of the TB) in exchange for a nTBP which has hardware limitations for you? Sorry but - WTF?

 

[raqball]

I have until the 8th (holiday return period) to see if they release a software fix for my issues..

 

[sziehr]

I said I was considering it... Reading comprehension 101..

I have until the 8th (holiday return period) to see if they release a software fix for my issues.. If they don't then why on earth you anyone keep a defective machine?

Welcome to the jan 8th return line. I am also in it as well. I am mostly pissed that not even 9to5 Mac fallowing the guide from apple could hit there battery life measurements. Thus they are complete non-sense and obviously were not tested.

I know companies make mistakes like this Ford with the rangemax car way over estimated it and ended up paying for it. Apple could do with some positive good will gesture here like 100 dollar store credit or something.


That said. I charged from dead to full in 90 minutes. That is just unheard of for a laptop to do. They should have lead with that and said we made it last shorter but charge faster. I would be 100% ok with that.

I can get through most of a day charge while I eat and get right back at it.