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If you want a free for all insecure mess then you have Android for that. Personally once I few more apps end up on the Mac App Store like IINA, BitTorrent, I wouldn’t even be phased if macOS was locked down.
The mere notion of BitTorrent ever making it onto the App Store made me laugh so hard I got a headache. Thanks.
 
As a developer, I hate that I'm forced to use App Store distribution (and some enterprise stuff, but that only works for select use cases) and that I'm therefore limited to Apple-approved ways of doing things (so no low-level tinkery).

As a user, I love that all available apps can be found in the App Store and that I don't have to worry about unsigned stuff running on my iPhone. Sure, App Store reviews aren't perfect, but they're clearly better than nothing.
Well, allowing me to side load Apps does not effect you. You can still limit yourself to App Store Apps and Apple's nanny rules without sacrificing any security. There is no need to thrust that loss of freedom on me.
 
Well, allowing me to side load Apps does not effect you. You can still limit yourself to App Store Apps and Apple's nanny rules without sacrificing any security. There is no need to thrust that loss of freedom on me.
Of course it does, otherwise no one would care. Apps on the App Store now must comply to Apple's privacy rules (for example) and be updated to support certain iOS features (different screen sizes, 64-bits). If developers use alternative app stores to circumvent this (an they absolutely would) and no longer use Apple's App Store, we as users would lose the option of running a privacy-vetted app and would be forced to use the non-vetted version. I couldn't care less if you install whatever crap you want on your phone, but I don't want to be forced to move to a worse version of the apps I'm already using because big developers move to alternative-store apps.
 
Of course it does, otherwise no one would care. Apps on the App Store now must comply to Apple's privacy rules (for example) and be updated to support certain iOS features (different screen sizes, 64-bits). If developers use alternative app stores to circumvent this (an they absolutely would) and no longer use Apple's App Store, we as users would lose the option of running a privacy-vetted app and would be forced to use the non-vetted version. I couldn't care less if you install whatever crap you want on your phone, but I don't want to be forced to move to a worse version of the apps I'm already using because big developers move to alternative-store apps.
Is there a phrase for people who argue against their own interests?
 
If for TC was a question of security and privacy the App Store service would be marketed as a Cloud service, at Cloud service prices to developers, where developers would pay for file storage, distribution as well as review procrss of that is what they need. Not sharing 30% of their revenue, mush less for what they sell in app that does not cross their servers and services in anyway.

This is to say that TC is totally diverting the issue. As far as I see almost 100% of the complaints regarding the policy, its solution does not necessarily imply the ability to side install apps.

Apple as all the best solutions on their hand for everyone ... if they put aside the goal of having a 70B business charging for products and services not directly sold by them, otherwise sustained on a technicality enforced by policy only.
 
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Is there a phrase for people who argue against their own interests?
You think that it is in my own interest to have an ecosystem of developers not bothering to update their apps to support some iOS features* or having their privacy policy checked?

*This is very common in government issued apps. Budget is made for an app development but not for its maintenance, and is only updated when an OS version breaks it or is no longer accepted in the App Store due to not being updated to match newer iOS features.
 
Dear Tim,

Sideloading apps would primarily break App Store revenues and its de facto monopoly, you know it, we know that you know, and you know that we know that you know it.

The fact that Bitcoin scams pass through the App Store review like air passes through a sieve, speaks volumes about the quality and security of your infrastructure.

Now pull the other one, it's got bells on.
You are not informed. There are a lot more fundamental concerns with security and privacy than just Bitcoin scams being let through here and there.
 
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Do you apply this logic to other corporations, or just Apple? You'd prefer we live in a corporate free-for-all where nothing they do is regulated?
The real question is what right do you have to regulate them in the first place? All forms of corporate regulation are just mob mentality expressed. You create a system where to be successful you need to create something valuable from the ground up, and when that thing becomes successful, you begin to act entitled to it, so much so that you try to regulate the owner of the property as if they don't own it...you take honorary possession of it.
 
No direct way to side load app >> Less users try to side load app >> Less technical problem happens with phone >> Less people report unnecessarily problems (power-users know what are they doing but normal-users will likely to be) >> Less complicate things to support >> Users kinda a happy inside the garden.
 
Couldn’t Apple develop and release an API (for other App Stores) for loading apps onto the phone?

Sideloading, as he claims, would break the security model, but there has to be some way for Apps to be loaded onto the phone, as evidenced by the App Store.

I don’t think you understand what sideloading is. There is no vetting. A user can download any installable and run it themselves as admin. There is no API. There is no formal programmatic and human vetting.
 
Then why allow it on the Mac? Sideloading should be standard at this point.
Perhaps because there's a larger market of iOS customers vs. Mac customers and a lot of the iOS customers aren't necessarily Mac users. Often they are PC people who do a lot of tweaking and install illegal software. Apple probably doesn't want to be blamed for someone's iPhone having troubles because let's be real about it nobody will admit the sideloaded app caused the problem and they also won't admit they sideloaded anything. They'll quickly remove the app after the damage has been done.
 
Sorry just keep dancing apple and saying that lie. The choice are open it up to side loading or have a way for apps to have their own payment processor and not having to pay the Apple Tax. It is really that simple.
 
Then why allow it on the Mac? Sideloading should be standard at this point.
The only reason it is allowed on the Mac is because that's how it started. Oh and because you couldn't do half the things a Mac can do without it. There isn't a single work related tool on my Mac that came from the App Store.
 
Then why is "side loading" Mac apps perfectly fine and acceptable as it has always been?
Because it has been grandfathered in from decades past and it’s probably not practical to reverse that. I’m sure Apple would do it if they could. And the Mac use case is very different from mobile.
 
The real question is what right do you have to regulate them in the first place? All forms of corporate regulation are just mob mentality expressed. You create a system where to be successful you need to create something valuable from the ground up, and when that thing becomes successful, you begin to act entitled to it, so much so that you try to regulate the owner of the property as if they don't own it...you take honorary possession of it.
If we lived in an anarchist system, regulations wouldn't apply to anyone or anything. We don't live under such a system. My sense is most of the people arguing on behalf of little old Apple aren't anarchists at all, but rather enjoy government regulation, just not of their favorite company.
 
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Sorry just keep dancing apple and saying that lie. The choice are open it up to side loading or have a way for apps to have their own payment processor and not having to pay the Apple Tax. It is really that simple.
Well the third choice is to keep doing what they're doing because no one has a any right to stop them.
 
As a developer, I hate that I'm forced to use App Store distribution (and some enterprise stuff, but that only works for select use cases) and that I'm therefore limited to Apple-approved ways of doing things (so no low-level tinkery).

As a user, I love that all available apps can be found in the App Store and that I don't have to worry about unsigned stuff running on my iPhone. Sure, App Store reviews aren't perfect, but they're clearly better than nothing.

I can't see any way to make both sides perfectly happy, and if I'd have to choose, I'd prefer to keep things as they are, except for two things:
  • Standardized commission of 10%
  • No "objectionable content" rejections; if an app is legal in a region, it should be allowed to be distributed (this includes information about drone strike casualties, adult stuff etc.). Showing a warning is fine, as is blocking access for minors.

So glad this is the first and top voted comment. And strange there are no down vote. Because normally whenever there is a suggestion for lower commission, you have ( cough ) people coming in and tell you if you dont like it Get Out!

- No "objectionable content" rejections : That is the whole point of my objection. They are increasingly lefty, nanny state. And exactly as you said, as long as it is legal, if there are objection. Let the court decide.

- Standardized commission of 10% : I have an even better solution. Break App Store into App and Game Store. Keep the Game Store at 30% commission, which represent ~80% of all current App Store spending. And standardised App Store on 10%, continue to add value to App Store and Developers. Things like Search and other features from App Store are pathetic. Make the 10%, which increase processing fees, and all sort of handling well worth the money rather than making developer felt it is rent seeking.
 
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You think that it is in my own interest to have an ecosystem of developers not bothering to update their apps to support some iOS features* or having their privacy policy checked?

*This is very common in government issued apps. Budget is made for an app development but not for its maintenance, and is only updated when an OS version breaks it or is no longer accepted in the App Store due to not being updated to match newer iOS features.
I was talking about the type of person you were mentioning in your post…
 
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